Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca
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Salaam brother, here is the proofs that Mecca is our prayer Qibla and as far as Quran is concerned it is relevant to pray in a Qibla which God has given us.
Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah Make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful 2.143
And God's is the east and the west and wherever you turn, there is God's countenance. Behold, God is infinite, all-knowing. 2.115
Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but righteousness is one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask , and for freeing slaves; establishes prayer and gives zakah; fulfill their promise when they promise; and are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous 2.177
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salaam,
- Full conclusion
- 595 tells us that Hajj is made in Kaabah
- 597 tells us that Kaaba is the Sacred Masjid
- 4824 tells us that Muhammad fought disbelievers in Mekkah
- 4825 tells us that the Sacred masjid is in Mekkah
- 2144 tells us that our Qibla is towards the Sacred Masjid
Your point 1 is incorrect (or worded poorly) as 595 does not say that, and your points 3 and 4 are not the only options as far as I'm aware.
I recommend reading http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html
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Peace babansif
No offence please.
It seems that you are fascinated by the words Mecca, Kaaba, masjid Al Haram, pilgrimage etc. In your every post you have distorted the meanings of the words to suit your wishful thinking.
In 595 the words are "WA ANTUM HURUM" You have translated as PILGRIMAGE. why?
GOD has appointed the Ka`bah, the Sacred Masjid, to be a sanctuary for the people, and also the Sacred Months, the offerings (to the Sacred Masjid), and the garlands marking them. You should know that GOD knows everything in the heavens and the earth, and that GOD is Omniscient. 597
God has apponinted the Kaaba and the Sacred Masjid as a sanctuary for the people, but what about the SACRED Months, the offering and the garlands. Are they NOT appointed as a sanctuary for the people? Don't leave half the verse unexplained.
Allah made the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men, AND also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them (as a security or asylum or sanctuary for men) That ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things. IT MAKES NO SENSE.
For you here is the correct meaning of QIYAAMAN
Do not give those who are of immature mind your property which God has appointed you responsibility make provision for them out of it, and clothe them, and give them good advice. 45
Show me the dictionary where you find QIYAMAN as SANCTUARY and HURUM as PILGRIMAGE
You translated QALAAID as garlands. prove that that were trees or plants or flowers to make a garland, in Mecca which was a desert and a barren land with 4 inches of annual rainfall.
what you are following is just what you inherited from your ancestors without applying your brain. You are belief in those translators is so MESMERIZING that you have failed to NOTICE the NONSENSE in their translation.
Here are some verses to ponder. try to find out where was the prophet, in MECCA or some where else?
Their purpose was to scare thee off the land, in order to expel thee; but in that case they would not have stayed (therein) after thee, except for a little while 1776
Such was Our way with the messengers We sent before you, and you will find no change in Our ways 1777
Even after the prophet leaving Mecca, the people of Mecca survived the onslaught of Allah. Did Allah changed HIS SUNNAH? Why were the MECCANS let off by ALLAH?
But if they turn away, say thou "I have warned you of a stunning Punishment (as of thunder and lightning) like that which (overtook) the 'Ad and the Thamud!" 4113
The people of Mecca were warned of the punishment, the like of AD and THAMUD. It looks like the punishment was not inflicted on the Pagans of Mecca, because in Mecca there are no signs of SUCH destruction nor the history has any reference to it.
So, the evil results of that which they earned overtook them. And those who did wrong of THESE (people to whom you (Muhammad) have been sent), WILL ALSO BE OVERTAKEN by the evil results (torment) for that which they earned, and they will NEVER be able to ESCAPE 3951
How did the Meccans escape the punishment? Why the due punishment did not overtake them? Why the promise of God always failed in respect of Mecca?, whereas the the people of old (Ad, Thamud, Salih, Shuaib, Abraham, Lot, Moses) all were destroyed for the same sin.
And SURELY We make them taste the lower punishment before the greater, that haply they may return. . 3221
You (the pagans of Mecca) shall SURELY taste the painful punishment, And be requited but only for what you had done, 3738/39
Show me one incidence where the Meccans tasted the LOWER PUNISHMENT of Allah? Show me when the Meccans received the ADHAAB UN ALEEM?
And this is a Book We have sent down, blest, and confirming that which hath been before it. And it is sent that thou mayest warn thereby the mother of towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they guard their prayer. 692
And this is a Book We have sent down, blest, and confirming that which hath been before it. And it is sent that thou mayest warn thereby the mother of towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they guard their prayer. 427
The prophet was sent to warn the mother of TOWNS (MECCA) and ALL AROUND IT.
Show me the places around Mecca where the prophet went and warned those TOWNS which were around Mecca. It is an open secret that the prophet never put his foot outside Mecca for 13 years till he was expelled from mecca. It is disobeying to Allah on the part of the prophet if he did not warn the TOWNS around Mecca.
And assuredly We have destroyed the TOWNS around you. and We have variously propounded our signs, that haply they might return 4627
Show me the TOWNS that were destroyed by Allah and were AROUND MECCA?
Is it not a WARNING to such men (to call to mind) how many generations before them We destroyed, in whose DWELLINGS they WALK? Verily, in this are WARNINGS for men endued with understanding. 20128
Is it not a WARNING for them (to observe) how many generations We destroyed before them, amid whose DWELLINGS they WALK? Lo! therein verily are portents! Will they not then heed? 3226
Now prove that the people of Mecca were WALKING in the DWELLINGS of AD, THAMUD, SALIH, SHUAIB, ABRAHAM, LOUT and MOSES. or show me which TOWNS were destroyed by Allah and in whose DWELLINGS the people of Mecca were walking.
There are still many questions to which the SUNNIS and the SHIAS HAVE NO ANSWERS except silence. For more than 15 years I have debated with the SUNNIS and the reply I got from them is that I have gone astray and I am a KAAFIR.
May Allah guide you to the truth which is hidden in the Quran.
Thanks.
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1- First we acknowledge that the first house which was built for God was in Baca and was built by Abraham. I accept that Baka is NOT Mecca, God does not do spelling mistakes. What this means is that the house built by Abraham was not the Kaaba, there is no problem with that. But .. and this is a BIG BUT ... this does not mean in any way that Muhammad did not live in Mecca ... there are no Quranic words which connect Muhammad with Baca, Baca is only related to Abraham. In fact, the Quran connects Muhammad with Mecca and the masjid al-haram ....
On what basis do you acknowledge this? Where is Bakkah, Baca, Baka? Is the question where actually correct or should I rather ask "what" is Bakkah, Baca, Baka? Surely you know about the meaning of valley, weep, etc.
Why would an omnipresent god require a house? Why would an omnipresent god require humans to concentrate on one single house?
It's easy to say "this does not mean in any way that Muhammad did not live in Mecca"
It is equally easy to say that nobody knows whether Muhammad DID live in Mecca.
We have no contemporary texts indicating Muhammad or Mecca being anything special.2- There is no problem either to say that the old Qibla was to Jerusalem, but this was changed with the revelation of the Quran to being the masjid al-haram (2144), and the Quran confirms to us that the masjid al-haram is the Kabaa and that the Kaaba is in Mecca.
On what basis do you believe this? Is Jerusalem mentioned in the Koran? Does the Koran specify what was changed when? Where does the Koran specify that the Kaaba is in Mecca?
Here are the relevant Quranic verses
1- In 4818 God speaks to Muhammad about the believers who swore allegiance to him under the tree ? the narration continues and in verse 24 God speaks about how He withheld the hands of he disbelievers in the valley of Mecca ? God is STILL speaking to Muhammad, this confirms that Muhammad was located in Mecca.
2- The narration continues in the very next verse and God mentions the masjid al-haram, so unless Muhammad was suddenly transported by rocket to land instantly somewhere at or near Jerusalem (which has no basis anywhere in the Quran), then it is obvious that the masjid al-haram is also in Mecca.
3- In 597 we are told very clearly that the Kaaba is the masjid al-haram
597 God has decreed the Kaaba as the Masjid Al-Haram, to be maintained for the people, and for the Haram Months, and the offerings and the garlands. That is so that you may know that God knows what is in the heavens and what is in the earth, and that God is Knowledgeable of all things.
4- 595 and 597 also tells us that the rituals of hajj are observed at the Kaaba (which is the Masjid Al-Haram).
According to the Koran, Muhammad is the recipient wherever he is, so that does not have any significance.
This is the story of some fight in some valley where they first gathered under a tree. Nothing of galactic importance, but an obscure side-sentence.
Where is the Koran clear on this? The Koran says that there is a house, not a mosque. I think bayt is house and masjid is mosque. Are animals sacrificed there? Decorated? If this god would know everything, then why sacrifice animals the way superstitious pagans used to do?
Your last sentence is more wishful thinking than factual analysis, so I am not convinced.What do you think the reason for the hajj or pilgrimage is?
If you think it is mentioned in the Koran, why are there no rules or rituals described?
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No, he sent prophets everywhere
Solomon and David, were in Rome, Masjud Haram = Vatican of Roma
http//images.travelpod.co.uk/users/rcadventures/1.1274918852.vatican-city-st-peter-s-square-from-the-dome.jpg
The temple of Solomon, Massjid Harammore proofs
Allah said, The Jinn ( genuises, eveil people and good ones, worked for him, they buit for him, Jufane ( Fountains ) -- must be marvelous, and breathtaking, and cannot be duplicated, cause it was the wish of solomon ( Statuee) also has to be in abundance and marvellous etc..
http//www.paradoxplace.com/Perspectives/Rome%20&%20Central%20Italy/Rome/Rome_Churches/San_Pietro_in_Vaticano/Images/800/Vatican-Fountain2-May05-D0493sAR800.jpgJesus Nassiriya (modern name Bejaia) occupied by the frensh
http//www.vudd-labo.org/baoff/bibliotheque/images/fle1318677680le_jardin_d_essai_du_Hamma.jpg
Home garden of Jesus, called Garden of Essai, or Jardin d'Essai
Shuaib (Archimed) Mediteraneen city Tel Mizen, called now Tlemecen, his name is Shuaib Bu Median, his grave still vitited , as a holy man, a saint, but not the messenger
http//www.algerie-monde.com/actualite/article2495.jpg
city of sidi shaib bumedianLot ( Plato ) is from Greece
picture of prophet LOTT
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Plato_Silanion_Musei_Capitolini_MC1377.jpg/400px-Plato_Silanion_Musei_Capitolini_MC1377.jpg
Lot , city that was destroyed is called Santorini, u can google it
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Ia_Santorini-2009-1.JPG
City destroyed by lava , most of the islands sunk
Abraham ( Egypt, Alexandrai )
Saba is spain, where the Queen the suslited to Solomon, In Roma
Luqman ( Russia ) called Eloq, known as the wise man and his son - u can google his story -
Jesus , was in UM Al QURA , AFRICA now, AMERCIA us a new UMQURA , and one of the prophets , buillt a country that is known now as the USA , their constitution came directly from the Quran, and wasn't written by the illuminatis washingtonETC...
If someone need an explanation, as to why these prophets and these cities, we will discuss it, from the qura, AND gerography/archeology, but only backed by the quran
well, if ROMA was the MAsjid Haram, than where is the Masid Aqssa ??? it is called Constantine, a city on top of a mountain, it still exists, totally ignored by medias, or archeologists and historians, Ignored volunteeraly, U can google this Masjid Aqsa Constantine, theory, and see the PICS
http//ehprod.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/8104881472.jpg
Constantine - North Africa - Arab = Qustantina - Quast JusticeFor now, I have more pictures and cities of the messengers of the Quran, I will share only if u feel, this research is interesting, and in the same time, if prouven, VERY dangerous for the illuminati, THE FRENSH / BRITISH , who did the biggest crime against mankind by altering and hiding the True history, during the 18th and 19th centuries, when colonised the whole world
Well, with all this, I can add someting else, that might sound weird ; MEKA is MACEDONIA, Called in local dialect MAKE DONIA , in the quran BATNI MAKKA , same meaning, it is the place where alroum were defeated by one of the prophets
Sometimes i wonder if i should make a good joke for mushrikouns of year 4013.
I will make a hole in the garden and put there a paper in wich i would say that Makka is disneyland and masjid haram is house of mickey.Peace
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Salaam,
Thank you Aamer. I chose to forgive my wife, and why I picked her in the first place was because I was naive, but when I married her I took a solemn pledge, so I felt I could not give up that easily. It seems to have paid off now.
Regarding my research, the aim is not to prove Shia Islam right or wrong, it is to see if there are any interesting connections to be found. I am well aware of the idolatry committed in this sect since I am living among Shia Muslims myself, and my wife was one of them.
Since it is off-topic I will cut the post here. Sorry people!
God bless you
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Peace babansif
No offence please.
It seems that you are fascinated by the words Mecca, Kaaba, masjid Al Haram, pilgrimage etc. In your every post you have distorted the meanings of the words to suit your wishful thinking.
In 595 the words are "WA ANTUM HURUM" You have translated as PILGRIMAGE. why?
GOD has appointed the Ka`bah, the Sacred Masjid, to be a sanctuary for the people, and also the Sacred Months, the offerings (to the Sacred Masjid), and the garlands marking them. You should know that GOD knows everything in the heavens and the earth, and that GOD is Omniscient. 597
God has apponinted the Kaaba and the Sacred Masjid as a sanctuary for the people, but what about the SACRED Months, the offering and the garlands. Are they NOT appointed as a sanctuary for the people? Don't leave half the verse unexplained.
Allah made the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men, AND also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them (as a security or asylum or sanctuary for men) That ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things. IT MAKES NO SENSE.
For you here is the correct meaning of QIYAAMAN
Do not give those who are of immature mind your property which God has appointed you responsibility make provision for them out of it, and clothe them, and give them good advice. 45
Show me the dictionary where you find QIYAMAN as SANCTUARY and HURUM as PILGRIMAGE
You translated QALAAID as garlands. prove that that were trees or plants or flowers to make a garland, in Mecca which was a desert and a barren land with 4 inches of annual rainfall.
what you are following is just what you inherited from your ancestors without applying your brain. You are belief in those translators is so MESMERIZING that you have failed to NOTICE the NONSENSE in their translation.
Here are some verses to ponder. try to find out where was the prophet, in MECCA or some where else?
Their purpose was to scare thee off the land, in order to expel thee; but in that case they would not have stayed (therein) after thee, except for a little while 1776
Such was Our way with the messengers We sent before you, and you will find no change in Our ways 1777
Even after the prophet leaving Mecca, the people of Mecca survived the onslaught of Allah. Did Allah changed HIS SUNNAH? Why were the MECCANS let off by ALLAH?
But if they turn away, say thou "I have warned you of a stunning Punishment (as of thunder and lightning) like that which (overtook) the 'Ad and the Thamud!" 4113
The people of Mecca were warned of the punishment, the like of AD and THAMUD. It looks like the punishment was not inflicted on the Pagans of Mecca, because in Mecca there are no signs of SUCH destruction nor the history has any reference to it.
So, the evil results of that which they earned overtook them. And those who did wrong of THESE (people to whom you (Muhammad) have been sent), WILL ALSO BE OVERTAKEN by the evil results (torment) for that which they earned, and they will NEVER be able to ESCAPE 3951
How did the Meccans escape the punishment? Why the due punishment did not overtake them? Why the promise of God always failed in respect of Mecca?, whereas the the people of old (Ad, Thamud, Salih, Shuaib, Abraham, Lot, Moses) all were destroyed for the same sin.
And SURELY We make them taste the lower punishment before the greater, that haply they may return. . 3221
You (the pagans of Mecca) shall SURELY taste the painful punishment, And be requited but only for what you had done, 3738/39
Show me one incidence where the Meccans tasted the LOWER PUNISHMENT of Allah? Show me when the Meccans received the ADHAAB UN ALEEM?
And this is a Book We have sent down, blest, and confirming that which hath been before it. And it is sent that thou mayest warn thereby the mother of towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they guard their prayer. 692
And this is a Book We have sent down, blest, and confirming that which hath been before it. And it is sent that thou mayest warn thereby the mother of towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they guard their prayer. 427
The prophet was sent to warn the mother of TOWNS (MECCA) and ALL AROUND IT.
Show me the places around Mecca where the prophet went and warned those TOWNS which were around Mecca. It is an open secret that the prophet never put his foot outside Mecca for 13 years till he was expelled from mecca. It is disobeying to Allah on the part of the prophet if he did not warn the TOWNS around Mecca.
And assuredly We have destroyed the TOWNS around you. and We have variously propounded our signs, that haply they might return 4627
Show me the TOWNS that were destroyed by Allah and were AROUND MECCA?
Is it not a WARNING to such men (to call to mind) how many generations before them We destroyed, in whose DWELLINGS they WALK? Verily, in this are WARNINGS for men endued with understanding. 20128
Is it not a WARNING for them (to observe) how many generations We destroyed before them, amid whose DWELLINGS they WALK? Lo! therein verily are portents! Will they not then heed? 3226
Now prove that the people of Mecca were WALKING in the DWELLINGS of AD, THAMUD, SALIH, SHUAIB, ABRAHAM, LOUT and MOSES. or show me which TOWNS were destroyed by Allah and in whose DWELLINGS the people of Mecca were walking.
There are still many questions to which the SUNNIS and the SHIAS HAVE NO ANSWERS except silence. For more than 15 years I have debated with the SUNNIS and the reply I got from them is that I have gone astray and I am a KAAFIR.
May Allah guide you to the truth which is hidden in the Quran.
Thanks.
Very interesting, but, would you be so kind to offer correct answers please, besides only criticizing the wrong ones?
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Peace brother God submitter
There is no criticism on my part but correction and clarification of the misunderstanding. It was only to show him that the Quran disqualifies the place called Mecca as the theater of events and I hope you also agree with this.
If Allah wills the answers will be in front of you soon. My research is on and there are some practical difficulties I am facing, especially in
gathering information of old places and stories of the past happenings related to Yemen and Saudi Arabia as on the internet it is not available in English, but Arabic. After a meticulous study of the Quran I came to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy to to distort the message through translation with the help of HADITH. You will rarely come across "that this verse according to the prophet is this or like this" but what you find is " that this verse according to Tabari, according to Bukhari, according to Ishaq, according to kathir etc. is this or like this" Where is the interpretation of the verses by the prophet, where is the explanation of the verses by the prophet. The prophet did explain the verses but must have been buried under the heap of lies fabricated by the conspirators.
What I can assure you now is that the theater of all the events is not Mecca and I will prove it from QURAN as well as from Hadith. But for the alternate (real place of drama) place I need some time to find out where all these things happened some 1400 years before. I believe in perfection and I avoid conjecture and perfection needs time. Those who wrote hadith did provide correct information of the place of HAJJ, but they forgot what they wrote and in ignorance they contradicted themselves when they allegedly voted for Mecca as a place of Hajj. For the time being only patience.
Thanks
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YUSUFALI The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and
of guidance for all kinds of beingsThe Valley of Baca " Baca, Correctly spelled from the Hebrew as "Baka" or " The Valley of Baka "
Now according to your commenters The Valley of Baka is located in Palestine, but Psalms 84 gives
specific ID on the geographical location.Psalm 84
1 How amiable are thy tabernacles, O LORD of hosts!
2 My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD my heart and my flesh crieth
out for the living God.
3 Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay
her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house they will be still praising thee. Selah.(S-L-H)
5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (Zamzam)
7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.
8 O LORD God of hosts, hear my prayer give ear, O God of Jacob. Selah.
9 Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed.
10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house
of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield the LORD will give grace and glory no good thing will
he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
12 O LORD of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee.BAKA
- This Place is a Valley
- In this Valley there is a blessed Well
- To this Valley pilgrims make their journey
- There is a Sacred House of Worship in this Valley of Baka
- This Place of worship where the sacred house is at there are COURT YARDS
- There are alters
- Sparows and Swallows Lodge at this location and bare their young
There is no place in Palestine that fits this discription.
ONE GOD
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003.096
YUSUFALI The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and
of guidance for all kinds of beingsThe Valley of Baca " Baca, Correctly spelled from the Hebrew as "Baka" or " The Valley of Baka "
Now according to your commenters The Valley of Baka is located in Palestine, but Psalms 84 gives
specific ID on the geographical location.Psalm 84
1 How amiable are thy tabernacles, O LORD of hosts!
2 My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD my heart and my flesh crieth
out for the living God.
3 Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay
her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house they will be still praising thee. Selah.(S-L-H)
5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (Zamzam)
7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.
8 O LORD God of hosts, hear my prayer give ear, O God of Jacob. Selah.
9 Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed.
10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house
of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield the LORD will give grace and glory no good thing will
he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
12 O LORD of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee.BAKA
- This Place is a Valley
- In this Valley there is a blessed Well
- To this Valley pilgrims make their journey
- There is a Sacred House of Worship in this Valley of Baka
- This Place of worship where the sacred house is at there are COURT YARDS
- There are alters
- Sparows and Swallows Lodge at this location and bare their young
There is no place in Palestine that fits this discription.
ONE GOD
Thank you very much bro for your reference to psalm 84
Just what i needed.Peace
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Peace brother God submitter
There is no criticism on my part but correction and clarification of the misunderstanding. It was only to show him that the Quran disqualifies the place called Mecca as the theater of events and I hope you also agree with this.
If Allah wills the answers will be in front of you soon. My research is on and there are some practical difficulties I am facing, especially in
gathering information of old places and stories of the past happenings related to Yemen and Saudi Arabia as on the internet it is not available in English, but Arabic. After a meticulous study of the Quran I came to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy to to distort the message through translation with the help of HADITH. You will rarely come across "that this verse according to the prophet is this or like this" but what you find is " that this verse according to Tabari, according to Bukhari, according to Ishaq, according to kathir etc. is this or like this" Where is the interpretation of the verses by the prophet, where is the explanation of the verses by the prophet. The prophet did explain the verses but must have been buried under the heap of lies fabricated by the conspirators.
What I can assure you now is that the theater of all the events is not Mecca and I will prove it from QURAN as well as from Hadith. But for the alternate (real place of drama) place I need some time to find out where all these things happened some 1400 years before. I believe in perfection and I avoid conjecture and perfection needs time. Those who wrote hadith did provide correct information of the place of HAJJ, but they forgot what they wrote and in ignorance they contradicted themselves when they allegedly voted for Mecca as a place of Hajj. For the time being only patience.
Thanks
Peace @hafeez kazi,
Yes that is what I meant, correction and clarification of the misunderstanding, please forgive me for using the word criticism erroneously.
I am looking very much forward to your conclusions after your study, but please do take your time, no rush here, just eagerness for the truth.
Praise be to One God Alone
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Here are the relevant Quranic verses
1- In 4818 God speaks to Muhammad about the believers who swore allegiance to him under the tree ? the narration continues and in verse 24 God speaks about how He withheld the hands of he disbelievers in the valley of Mecca ? God is STILL speaking to Muhammad, this confirms that Muhammad was located in Mecca.The word "batn" literally means "inside" or "interior" or "belly". See Yusufali's translation
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YUSUFALI And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of Makka, after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.As a common noun, the word "mecca" literally means "destruction". So we can translate in Yusufali's translation as follows
048.024
YUSUFALI And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of destruction, after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.As you can see, the word "mecca" is not some meaningless proper name of a city no one ever heard of prior to the 8th century CE but it is a common noun that fits PERFECTLY in the context of war of 4824. If one believes that the quran is from the god then one will see that this cannot be a coincidence.
Of course, if one believed in the quran then one would also have realized that the fondling and kissing and spinning around stones in the place presently named Mecca is a pagan circus that has nothing to do with the real hagg/feast in the quran.
Peace,
Ayman
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To add to Hawk99's point about what is written in Psalms 84... I've never been to Palestine but I have been to Mecca and the description given in Psalms 84 matches Mecca perfectly. Even the birds. The first time I went to the kaaba in Mecca, one of the things that really caught my attention was how many birds were flying around circling the Kaaba. And it was night time. Plus the valley, the well of Zam Zam, the alters... Sounds like the Mecca I saw. As for Abraham never having been there? Well Abraham probably lived 4500 years ago. None of us know much about him for sure. But if God commanded him to travel to Mecca, I'm pretty sure he would have. Peace!
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To add to Hawk99's point about what is written in Psalms 84... Mecca and the description given in Psalms 84 matches Mecca perfectly. Even the birds. The first time I went to the kaaba in Mecca, one of the things that really caught my attention was how many birds were flying around circling the Kaaba. And it was night time.
Peace to everyone,
Birds huh.
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Have you noted what your Lord did to the people of the elephant?
Did He not cause their schemes to backfire?
He sent upon them swarms of birds.
That showered them with hard stones.
He made them like chewed up hay.
The people who marched on mecca to destroy the ka'aba were attacked by birds!
they never were able to destroy the house of God and were forced to retreat!ONE GOD
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5VMhjgJTQ
see 445 in the video rotfl
is that spirituality?
is that getting nearer to God?
what is that urge, that desire people have to touch "THAT" in all that horrible mass bodily smells and sweat??? -
Just beacuse im saying hajj is made in Mecca does not mean I think the rituals in hadith are the rituals in Kaabah.... there is even a whole surah called hajj in the Quran and those are the rituals I will follow when I visit the Kaabah in Mecca Inshallah.
Salaam
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5VMhjgJTQ
see 445 in the video rotfl
is that spirituality?
is that getting nearer to God?
what is that urge, that desire people have to touch "THAT" in all that horrible mass bodily smells and sweat???o
When I went there, I got a really creepy feeling looking at how people were trying to trample each other to touch a black cube and kiss the stone. Oral herpes anyone? It just appeared very pagan like and didn't settle well with me. I even touched the kaaba once because it was the middle of the night and the crowd wasn't too bad and everyone else in my family was doing it. But I really didn't have a good feeling about it even though I was a hardcore Sunni then. But the place itself (not the behavior of the people) is awe inspiring. So much history there. It's hard to put into words but the place is like nowhere else. Everything slows down for me. As if life is moving in slow motion. I do in my heart think it is indeed the holy mosque Abraham built. But I have no proof for this. Just my gut feeling. Peace!
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Salaam Aamer,
Interesting testimony, I was intrigued by hearing your personal feeling when being at the Kabah site. I have not traveled there myself yet, but I think about it. The rumors that it is not the true location has made me wonder a bit, but recently I did some own studies and are more certain that this holy site must at least be in Arabia, and why not in Mecca, close to that ancient well.
I also wonder if when Moses fled out of Egypt if he came to this well, and met his future wife and was taught by a priest, and worked for several years.
I will not elaborate my theory here, it is pretty much loose fragments still and it must be gathered together, ie I must put the pieces together.
My work is highly spiritual, but also contains physical parts.
If old Mosques point further north it is because of Moses place of gathering where he built an altar. Or at least may be. Mount Sinai is the highest place around there?
God bless you
