Harassment of Quran aloners for being kuffar
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I dont know how to put this.. I know a Pakistani man married to an afghani woman. Now this man is a quran aloner, first he was it secretly but after a discussion with a sunni imam everybody knows this now... and most afghani sunnis in his area are after him now, they call him KAFIR and say that his children are illegitimate children because a marriage to a muslim and a non muslim man (his wife is sunni and he as a quran aloner a kafir) is not recognized under sharia, and his children are bullied by other afghani kids and adults for having a kafir father and being b-astards. And when he reacts even the non-muslims criticize him for being ''aggressive'' and ''overreacting''. He just cant take it anymore and he told me his story so I thought I would ask for some advice here as most of you are quran aloners as well. He is now considering lying to everybody about having returned to sunnism just to get peace and regain his good reputation.
What do you guys say?
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He doesn't have to be a strict quran aloner... He could compromise outwardly, but stay true to his beliefs from the inside.
PS I'm not a quran aloner. Chances are, he just recently discovered the path of quran alonism and thinks he found the holy grail... he'll realise his folly sooner or later.
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Peace everyone,
That's ridiculous. He could compromise and say he follows hadith that do not contradict the Quran. I'm saying that just so he can keep the peace in a situation that is beyond his control. He could also say that he needs to turn to God on this matter, there is no better Guide.
If this was a Christian or any other faith being treated like this, I don't think anyone would think it was acceptable.
He doesn't have to be a strict quran aloner... He could compromise outwardly, but stay true to his beliefs from the inside.
PS I'm not a quran aloner. Chances are, he just recently discovered the path of quran alonism and thinks he found the holy grail... he'll realise his folly sooner or later.
Holy grail? No, I don't think so. A feeling of coming home, yes and this is described by many who find a religion/faith/way of life that works for them. Being able to learn about Islam in a sincere way, going to God first in all matters, and trusting in God's guidance to each of us as individuals and His authority not the authority of human beings, that's what matters.
"he'll realise his folly sooner or later." Can you explain what you mean by that? I can't tell if you are referring to the afterlife or not.
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It's not so easy sister. You have to believe all sahih Hadith including the ones that isn't mentioned in the Quran like stoning etc.
moreover its the ulama decides when a Hadith contradicts Quran or not, not normal people.The poor guy made a "mistake" when he went into a discussion with the local imam about the validity of Hadith as an Islamic source.. Soon everyone just knew that he was a "Hadith and prophet Muhammad rejector aka murdad" and the nightmare began right then.
It's funny how the same Sunnis immediately pull the victim card when they regard others as being against them but they themselves don't shy away from bullying Quran aloners or others who they deem to "insult the prophet" (Baha'is, alawites, the cartoonist from Denmark and so on)
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Peace @Maha,BarokAllah.Your story was nearly same to me."Following Quran Alone inside Sunni majority".
Yeah it's a hard if our teaching wasn't recognized by Sharia autharity and if you're talking about Quran alone, no or little will recognize your words.Five month being Quran alone, I can only get one person to following the same.
I lived in a village, with most of the people in here still have traditional thinking which saw another mainstream as a taboo.Of course if I speak about Quran Alone I will labeled as ignorant and abandoned by them, like the Nabis who abandoned by his people.
Maybe you're live in a similar place.But what you must do is "hiding" your teaching, don't make your life suffering, don't make another people especially your family hates you, just because you following Quran alone.Myself still do Sunni teaching if anyone saw me so I still do five prayer, jum'uah prayer but if no one saw I will not do all of that.This is ayat who fits with your situation
2214 Or did you expect that you would enter the Paradise, while the example of those who were before you came to you; they were stricken with adversity and hardship, and they were shaken untilthe messenger and those who believed with him said ?When is the victory of God?? Yes indeed, the victory of God is near.
As Muslim, Sunni,Syia,Quranist, etc all is not important , thy're just a term.What the important is your faith to Allah, and following what was written in Quran.
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Sister, We've been called all kind of names. I have been called a kafir, a devil worshiper, an apostate.
At first i was scared and to my self. Now i am less and less afraid. My imperfect experiences in my life lead me to change, by God's will, My fears turned into Anger, and my anger into fearlessness, and my fearlessness turned into boldness.
Just like the magicians of Moses, once they saw the truth they did not care what the tyrant pharaoh threatened them of... "crucify us if you want, we now know truth!" thus the truth set them free...
Tell him to Fear none but God these are just humans with big mouths, and to Try to emigrate if he could or take asylum as a refuge etc.
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Peace,
I find it pretty ironical to be called a devil worshiper for choosing to follow only the Quran. Almost laughable if the story was not so depressing. I feel sorry for this person.
I wish these regions of the world had more religious freedom. It is a shame being only Muslim is not universally accepted.
If he was not so exposed to aggressors who would probably not hesitate to physically harm him I would not advise him to hide his true Faith, but it seems he must do something because he cannot fight an army of brainwashed people alone. So it seems thus that he has to pretend to play their game somehow.
But I think he has already caused the damage and cannot repair their trust in him so even if he says he goes back to Sunni islam they will always be suspicious. It is difficult to give him any proper advise without being there.
There are no other such people as himself in his country?
I guess he has to move far away from where he lives if he wants to have peace from here on now, without telling anyone where he goes and perhaps make physical changes to himself like changing his beard and become more quiet about his name.
Ah well, my tips may cause more damage than help I suppose. I am sorry.
God bless him
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Peace be unto you.
There are two verses in the Quran which seem to support the notion that one will not be held accountable for hiding his faith if he is under a real threat of persecution to his life
Whoever disbelieves in God after his belief, except one who is forced while his heart is content with faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief, then upon them is the wrath of God and for them is a grievous punishment. (16106)
And a believing man from the family of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith said "Will you kill a man because he says, "My Lord is God"?... (402
But in dire circumstances, from my understanding, he should first try to migrate to somewhere else
And whoever emigrates in the way of God, will find in the Earth places of much refuge and abundance. And whoever forsakes his home as an emigrant to God and His messenger and death overtakes him, his reward is then incumbent on God. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Merciful. (4100)
Indeed, those who believed and emigrated and strove with their wealth and their lives in the way of God, and those who took them in and helped them some of these are protecting friends one of another. And those who believed but did not emigrate, you have no duty to protect them till they emigrate. And if they seek help from you in the matter of religion then it is your duty to help (them) except against a people between whom and you there is a treaty. And God is Seer of what you do. (872)
O My servants who believe! Indeed, My Earth is spacious, therefore only serve Me! Every soul shall have a taste of death. Then to Us you will be brought back. (2956-57)
But not everyone has the means to migrate. For them there is an exception
Except the feeble/oppressed among men, and the women, and the children, who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way. As for such, it may be that God will pardon them. God is Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving. (498-99)
Peace.
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Where do they live? In Afghanista/Pakistan or some "western" country? If the latter, he could just try to avoid those people who harass him, or move to another place. What does his wife say about that? Does she share or at least understand his beliefs? Otherwise it could be hard if she also thinks he is "aberrant".
Myself still do Sunni teaching if anyone saw me so I still do five prayer, jum'uah prayer but if no one saw I will not do all of that.
Don't forget 1074-6. -
Peace Family,
My dear friend you have but choices to make and you must decide which course
of action suits you best, God gives a way out for the oppressed, one of those is thisThose whose lives are terminated by the angels, while in a state of wronging
their souls, the angels will ask them, "What was the matter with you?" They will say,
"We were oppressed on earth." They will say, "Was GOD's earth not spacious enough
for you to emigrate therein?" For these, the final abode is Hell, and a miserable destiny.Those who emigrated for the sake of GOD, because they were persecuted, we will
surely make it up to them generously in this life, and the recompense of the Hereafter is
even greater, if they only knew.Another solution to consider is this
16106] Those who disbelieve in GOD, after having acquired faith, and become fully
content with disbelief, have incurred wrath from GOD. The only ones to be excused
are those who are forced to profess disbelief, while their hearts are full of faith.You obviously have something great awaiting you if you persevere.
My advice is simply, trust the word of GodMay God protect you
peace
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Why is your friend bothered by what others have to say about him? Why is he internalizing things and letting people behaving badly get to him? Why should he lie?
My advice is to stand firm with his belief and to uphold the Koran. Be a good person and be good to others no matter how others treat him. the best way to deal with bullies is not let the bullies control your life. Eventually they will get tired or may come around. By standing up for what he believes in, I bet he will give others the courage to do the same.
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Peace
those are the big tests from our lord, if we are true believer we should be patient.3173 The ones who the people said to them ?The people have gathered against you, so be concerned by them,? but it only increased their faith and they said ?God is sufficient for us, and He is the best to put our trust in.?
3174 So they came back with a recompense from God and a bounty, no harm would touch them. And they had followed the pleasure of God, and God is the One with great pleasure.
3175 It is only the devil trying to create fear for his allies, so do not fear them, but fear Me if you are believers.
3176 And do not be saddened by those who rush into disbelief. They will not harm God in the least. God does not wish to make for them any share in the Hereafter, and they will have a painful retribution.
3177 Those who have purchased rejection with belief will not harm God in the least, and they will have a painful retribution.
3178 And let not those who reject think that We are providing for them out of the goodness of themselves. We are only providing for them so that they may increase in transgression, and they will have a humiliating retribution. -
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It's not so easy sister. You have to believe all sahih Hadith including the ones that isn't mentioned in the Quran like stoning etc.
moreover its the ulama decides when a Hadith contradicts Quran or not, not normal people.The poor guy made a "mistake" when he went into a discussion with the local imam about the validity of Hadith as an Islamic source.. Soon everyone just knew that he was a "Hadith and prophet Muhammad rejector aka murdad" and the nightmare began right then.
It's funny how the same Sunnis immediately pull the victim card when they regard others as being against them but they themselves don't shy away from bullying Quran aloners or others who they deem to "insult the prophet" (Baha'is, alawites, the cartoonist from Denmark and so on)
Peace Maha,
I really do feel sympathy for him. As Reee and others have mentioned, does he live in the West or elsewhere? That could change how easy it is for him to stay away that kind of crowd or even remove himself from there if he needs to. If his children are young, I can understand why he'd feel a real motivation to say he'll just accept. Being bullied as a child or any age is one of the most horrible things that he wants to protect his family from and not feel like its because of him that this is all happening. I hope he doesn't blame himself in any way, it most certainly isn't his fault.
Does anyone at all, I think Reee asked about his wife, give him any support or understanding? If so, then it may be more feasible that he just sort of waits this out. I'm not sure anyone in a situation like this should get their hopes up about people understanding. You just don't know if they will. Some people seem to want to torment other people and no matter how good or nice you are too them, they give you nastiness back. This seems to come down to hatred and mob mentality.
As others have said, there are several choices here. Only he will know, after seeking help from Allah, best course of action for himself. Allah is Ever Merciful, so I believe he will most certainly receive guidance and if he decides with sincerity to Allah, I know whatever someone chooses, if they are sincere to Him, then Allah is most understanding to all the particulars of a situation.
I would also like to add this verse And, behold, with every hardship comes ease verily, with every hardship comes ease! (945-6)
I hope this helps, sister, Insha'Allah.
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Don't forget 1074-6.
What do you mean, sister?
If anyone saw me, I will act just like ordinary Sunni.I do traditional salat, attending Jum'uah prayer, n another Sunni teaching.
But, If no anyone saw me.I don't do all the Sunni's instead I do my Quran alone teaching, like do Quranist salat etc.This is what I mean.Why I play hide and seek?
I lived in a area which Sunni was like a sacralization.If I do Quran alone teaching openly.I will get cosequence"mocked n abandoned by family, neighboors and friends" -
Peace ED,
Sometimes it is better to be alone than indulging in falsehood. But if there is a threat to your life then I understand. However, I think you commit sins if you keep following invented traditions and strict rules.
God bless you
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What do you mean, sister?
If anyone saw me, I will act just like ordinary Sunni.I do traditional salat, attending Jum'uah prayer, n another Sunni teaching.
But, If no anyone saw me.I don't do all the Sunni's instead I do my Quran alone teaching, like do Quranist salat etc.This is what I mean.Why I play hide and seek?
I lived in a area which Sunni was like a sacralization.If I do Quran alone teaching openly.I will get cosequence"mocked n abandoned by family, neighboors and friends"Agreed
This is the degree of confrontation I was referring to, that is why I used the word oppression
and not casual disagreement, but social ostracism or a life threatening situation.peace