Circumcision: The Way of Prophet Abraham
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Assalamu'alaikum Israfeel.
Did you realize if this forum is Quran alone forums, that means they including me intepretating Quran without hadith.
So it's pointless if you using hadith as your bases of your argument since Quran aloners reject will reject it.As I stated in the previous post,it's pointless to do debate like this because the way of intepretating Quran by Quran alone and Sunni is differently each other .
I was former Sunni, but five month ago I joining Quran alone.If I still Sunni I will accept all madzab fiqh teaching (Hanafi, Malikis, Salafi) and all hadith you posting but now as Quran alone I will not recognize that
If you reject Hadith and only go by Quran-alone, please answer these five questions
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Going by this line of reasoning, removal of pubic hair, armpit hair, and trimming of fingernails and toenails when they become long or dirty are not mentioned in the Holy Quran either. Therefore, according to Hadith rejectors, will such people who do not remove pubic hair, armpit hair, nails, etc., be considered as sinful or not? Western and non-Muslim people do not remove pubic hair/armpit hair, do Hadith rejectors follow their culture also since it is not forbidden in Quran?
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Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, stool, maniyy, madhiyy (seminal fluid), vomit, is impure. According to Hadith-rejectors will a person be sinful if he does not wash off these things from his body or clothes?
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According to Hadith-rejectors, will a person be sinful for (God forbid) drinking these things which are not explicitly declared impure in the Quran, as this is the culture of many Westerners/non-Muslims?
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According to the Quran, the meat of swine is forbidden, but nowhere in the Quran does it say that the perspiration or saliva of swine, or any other animal for that matter, is impure. If these things get onto the clothes or body of a Hadith-rejector, will he be sinful for not washing them off, or praying while traces of a pig's saliva or perspiration is on his body and/or clothes?
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Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, dung, or seminal fluid of any animal is impure. Are these things halal for Hadith-rejectors, and will a Hadith rejector be sinful for touching, drinking, or not removing these traces from his body and clothes?
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Therefore based on these Ahadith it is clear that circumcision is in fact obligatory, and those who refuse circumcision are committing a sin.
Per God, those who follow other than the Koran are astray. Those who distort, twist God's words, imputing lies about God are committing a sin.
According to your hadiths, circumcision may be obligatory. But not according to God. You are committing a sin by telling lies about God. Israfeel, you will at the end have to answer to God of what you say. I suggest that you think about what you are saying and doing. One sure way of securing yourself a spot in hell is to spread lies about God.
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Salamun'alaikum Israfeel
Ok I will answer you questions
First I don't understand your english, maybe you aren't english speaker.
My answer is simpleIf it's not in the Quran then it's not Allah's commandment
Because
456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do
they believe?7750 So in what narrative, after it, will they believe?
See the blue word is in the Mushaf,
This mean like this
77.50 So in what hadis, after it, will they believe?
So the Sunnah/hadith is Quran itself, not anything else.And there is verse which order us not to following hadith beside Quran even Prophet Muhammad was ordered the same.
6940 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.
6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.
6942 Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed.
6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
6944 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.
6945 We would have seized him by the right.
6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line -
What is mandated by the Prophet peace be upon him is mandated by God "Whosoever obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah" (Surah 481)
The only "mandate" that prophet Muhammed gave was to follow the Koran.
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Peace,
Who needs hadith to understand the impure nature of urine or any other thing like this?
God bless you
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Salamun'alaikum Israfeel
Ok I will answer you questions
First I don't understand your english, maybe you aren't english speaker.
My answer is simpleIf it's not in the Quran then it's not Allah's commandment
So for you it is not haram to do any of the things i asked in my five questions
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Going by this line of reasoning, removal of pubic hair, armpit hair, and trimming of fingernails and toenails when they become long or dirty are not mentioned in the Holy Quran either. Therefore, according to Hadith rejectors, will such people who do not remove pubic hair, armpit hair, nails, etc., be considered as sinful or not? Western and non-Muslim people do not remove pubic hair/armpit hair, do Hadith rejectors follow their culture also since it is not forbidden in Quran?
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Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, stool, maniyy, madhiyy (seminal fluid), vomit, is impure. According to Hadith-rejectors will a person be sinful if he does not wash off these things from his body or clothes?
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According to Hadith-rejectors, will a person be sinful for (God forbid) drinking these things which are not explicitly declared impure in the Quran, as this is the culture of many Westerners/non-Muslims?
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According to the Quran, the meat of swine is forbidden, but nowhere in the Quran does it say that the perspiration or saliva of swine, or any other animal for that matter, is impure. If these things get onto the clothes or body of a Hadith-rejector, will he be sinful for not washing them off, or praying while traces of a pig's saliva or perspiration is on his body and/or clothes?
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Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, dung, or seminal fluid of any animal is impure. Are these things halal for Hadith-rejectors, and will a Hadith rejector be sinful for touching, drinking, or not removing these traces from his body and clothes?
As Quran says "Laakum Deenukum Waliya Deen"
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So for you it is not haram to do any of the things i asked in my five questions
I'm not saying haram, but it's not in the Quran it means it's not wajib to do it.
So you follow it or not, it's not important.As Quran says "Laakum Deenukum Waliya Deen"
Of course, it's mine deen, it's your deen.It's my tafseer and it's your tafseer.We're different ways of tafseer from the start.
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Israfeel, I don't consider crcumcision an impure act comparable to the consumption of vile fluids. I said before that I'm indifferent to circumcision itself - if you feel that you will physically be more pure if you are circumcized, you are free to hold that view and I have no qualms with it, as stated before I feel it is "a very minor issue" that we must use our own intelligence to judge. What I'm arguing against is the notion that circumcision is mandatory.
The assumption point was in regards to my whole common sense rant at the end of the post, my apologies for wording and structuring my post as terribly as I did there.
Wasn't aware you were referring to sexual acts, my bad. Not really an area of expertise for me, though I know that the 3rd example you gave is supposed to have serious health risks, and that the 2nd example, interpretations vary between the different madhabs and stuff but generally it is looked down on somewhat due to also having some risks to health. Those two should really explain themselves, the "drinking sperm" example especially so I'd think. I'm not particularly sure what to say about "golden showers". I would assume it also has health risks but I'm not an expert I suppose, I couldn't say for sure. Regardless, considering how prevalent the theme of spiritual and physical purity is within the Quran, I don't see how such an act, which seems to be irrelevant to "sex" the act itself - would not be frowned upon. It sounds like such a minor act, again something one must use our own intelligence to judge.
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Israfeel, I don't consider crcumcision an impure act comparable to the consumption of vile fluids. I said before that I'm indifferent to circumcision itself - if you feel that you will physically be more pure if you are circumcized, you are free to hold that view and I have no qualms with it, as stated before I feel it is "a very minor issue" that we must use our own intelligence to judge. What I'm arguing against is the notion that circumcision is mandatory.
The assumption point was in regards to my whole common sense rant at the end of the post, my apologies for wording and structuring my post as terribly as I did there.
Wasn't aware you were referring to sexual acts, my bad. Not really an area of expertise for me, though I know that the 3rd example you gave is supposed to have serious health risks, and that the 2nd example, interpretations vary between the different madhabs and stuff but generally it is looked down on somewhat due to also having some risks to health. Those two should really explain themselves, the "drinking sperm" example especially so I'd think. I'm not particularly sure what to say about "golden showers". I would assume it also has health risks but I'm not an expert I suppose, I couldn't say for sure. Regardless, considering how prevalent the theme of spiritual and physical purity is within the Quran, I don't see how such an act, which seems to be irrelevant to "sex" the act itself - would not be frowned upon. It sounds like such a minor act, again something one must use our own intelligence to judge.
Well when you argue against circumcision being mandatory simply because it is not mentioned in the Quran apart from general principles of being clean, then the same line of reasoning means you cannot declare things like golden showers, women swallowing sperm, people growing out their pubic and armpit hairs, intercourse through back passage, as being HARAM.
You can "frown" on all these things as much as you want. But from a purely Quranic point of view, all of these things are never censured.
The point I'm trying to make is that by only going by Quran you leave a lot of controversial issues open to interpretation and dispute. Even if you personally don't approve of these things, if a Quranist does them and even says there's no problem with it, you as a Quranist cannot argue with him.
Therefore I invite you to come back to the traditional Islam with Sunnah and Hadith. You say Quran is always encouraging intellect and rational thinking....well my rational thinking is always telling me Islam will be a mockery without Hadith.
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Therefore I invite you to come back to the traditional Islam with Sunnah and Hadith. You say Quran is always encouraging intellect and rational thinking....well my rational thinking is always telling me Islam will be a mockery without Hadith.
Hadiths - stories told by Abu huraira and company are a mockery of Islam. What you are doing is inviting people to come back to believing in lies about prophets and God by Abu Huraira and his likes. sorry, but I decline your invitation.
What you have shown is your fallacies, making inaccurate statements whilst remaining silent when called out.
Again, if you wish to persist in your beliefs and views making untrue statements about God, that is your choice and to God you shall answer to. I suggest that you follow the Koran only asking God for guidance in seeking knowledge and understanding.
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Israfeel.
I know the concept of Taqleed, however none of those scholars said to blindly follow them.
So you follow your own hawa to conclude which hadith to follow. So in actual fact you follow your own taqleed of the hadith. Hadith has been investigated in the past, yet you BLINDLY ALED (blindly follow, do your taqlid to the 6 hadith books). Where is your evidence that these books are authentic and infallible?
The hadiths you state do not claim circumcision is obligatory.So who are you fooling? They merely claim it in positive light. Furthermore there are hadiths which discuss men who lead prayer who are circumcised or uncircumcised, a circumcised is preferred. So really that is proof that it is not obligated. Moreover you mention the aqiqa of the baby. Nowhere have I read that hadith so if you can reference it that would be good. However I have read on the 7th day of the newborns Hassan and Hussain were circumcised.
Therefore based on hadith there is clear evidence that none of the sahaba nor the prophet claimed it as obligatory. Based on hadith it shows it is a commendable act and some people did it. Therefore to make a thing a Fard (an obligation) when it is not obligated is a sin, as Allah is the law maker not you, not hadith and not noone.
You seem to argue that hadith can only guide you into how to be clean you seem to totally dismiss Quran. You think God is incapable? how offensive.
Your logic is flawed let me show you some examples
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- Going by this line of reasoning, removal of pubic hair, armpit hair, and trimming of fingernails and toenails when they become long or dirty are not mentioned in the Holy Quran either. Therefore, according to Hadith rejectors, will such people who do not remove pubic hair, armpit hair, nails, etc., be considered as sinful or not? Western and non-Muslim people do not remove pubic hair/armpit hair, do Hadith rejectors follow their culture also since it is not forbidden in Quran?
There is no wrong in culture so long as it does not contradict Quran. many western and non muslim people remove pubic hairs etc you can't speak for all people. Removing pubic hair, cutting nails etc is not sinful because Allah did not say it was. Unless you want to prove otherwise??? So don't make a claim unless you have proof.
- Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, stool, maniyy, madhiyy (seminal fluid), vomit, is impure. According to Hadith-rejectors will a person be sinful if he does not wash off these things from his body or clothes?
According to the Quran God tells us how to be pure during Salat, and God outlines the things which we need to purify i.e. having a bath, i.e. if you go to the toilet (urine/stool), sexual intercourse etc. So we do know based on the Quran that certain fluids need to be cleansed to be considered clean. Take for example 443.
- According to Hadith-rejectors, will a person be sinful for (God forbid) drinking these things which are not explicitly declared impure in the Quran, as this is the culture of many Westerners/non-Muslims?
Why would someone drink impurity? How explicit do you need something? Do you need Allah to tell you in the Quran that urine is impure you must not drink it? based on your logic God is incapable of explaining our deen, Auothobillah.
- According to the Quran, the meat of swine is forbidden, but nowhere in the Quran does it say that the perspiration or saliva of swine, or any other animal for that matter, is impure. If these things get onto the clothes or body of a Hadith-rejector, will he be sinful for not washing them off, or praying while traces of a pig's saliva or perspiration is on his body and/or clothes?
Use your brain. Firstly how often will someone be in contact with swine? And pray? Your cases are pathetic. What if someone didn't know they had traces of anything on them? are they constantly sinning? what if they were poor and they can only live in a swinehouse are they just impure?
- Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, dung, or seminal fluid of any animal is impure. Are these things halal for Hadith-rejectors, and will a Hadith rejector be sinful for touching, drinking, or not removing these traces from his body and clothes?
Read verses 56, 443 in ways we are told to be purified. And you will learn that urine, dung seminal fluid is not a characteristic a person enjoining a state of purification. If you can not understand that, I can?t help you. So do not pick and choose and claim what the Quran has and doesn't have if you have not read it.
You cannot halel and harem (make permissible and make unlawful) to your own whims and desires, do not misunderstand people based on your own ignorance, understanding and flawed logic. Try and think of the other person's perspective rather than "you vs them".
salam.
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Israfeel.
I know the concept of Taqleed, however none of those scholars said to blindly follow them.
I agree. Which is why I don't blindly follow the scholars. I follow the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and his Hadith.
So you follow your own hawa to conclude which hadith to follow. So in actual fact you follow your own taqleed of the hadith. Hadith has been investigated in the past, yet you BLINDLY ALED (blindly follow, do your taqlid to the 6 hadith books). Where is your evidence that these books are authentic and infallible?
Good question. I don't blindly follow the books, I follow (Itteba) the Hadith which is proven to be authentically said by our Prophet Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam, based on its chain of narration.
By the way, in case you don't know, this is also how the Quran has been transmitted, through chains of narration. The Quran wasn't dropped from the sky or brought down on the wings of Angels from Heaven. It was revealed on the tongue of the Prophet peace be upon him and conveyed to us through his companions exactly the same like Hadith.
The hadiths you state do not claim circumcision is obligatory.So who are you fooling? They merely claim it in positive light. Furthermore there are hadiths which discuss men who lead prayer who are circumcised or uncircumcised, a circumcised is preferred. So really that is proof that it is not obligated. Moreover you mention the aqiqa of the baby. Nowhere have I read that hadith so if you can reference it that would be good. However I have read on the 7th day of the newborns Hassan and Hussain were circumcised.
The Hadith I quoted from Bukhari Sharif is very clear that circumcision is obligatory. It is one of the five characteristics of the Fitra, all five of them are considered obligatory.
Therefore based on hadith there is clear evidence that none of the sahaba nor the prophet claimed it as obligatory. Based on hadith it shows it is a commendable act and some people did it. Therefore to make a thing a Fard (an obligation) when it is not obligated is a sin, as Allah is the law maker not you, not hadith and not noone.
Wrong, it is obligatory as proven from the Hadith in Bukhari Sharif.
You seem to argue that hadith can only guide you into how to be clean you seem to totally dismiss Quran. You think God is incapable? how offensive.
Well if you dismiss Hadith then you have no cleanliness, because Quran doesnt mention directly about circumcision, what is impure, how to remove unclean hair, what animals are unclean, how to remove impurity from clothes, how to clean dishes licked by unclean animals or which contained alcohol or unclean meat, what kind of water is pure and how much amount of water you need to ensure its purity, etc.
None of this is in Quran, you have to get it from Hadith. So in other words if you reject Hadith you have no Islam left.
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Peace,
You need no scriptural information to understand simple things are clean or unclean. I would not like to hug a sheep and go and pray straight afterwards (unless the sheep would be washed prior to it).
Clean dishes licked by unclean animal? How about wash them?
Which water is clean? Well, I think someone with average intellect can work that out.
How to remove "unclean" hair? How about using the modern invention "the razor blade"? I use my trimmer.
Dishes which used to contain alcohol? What a question. When do you have this issue?
Remove impurity from clothes? Well, modern detergents work fine on most stains. If not, there are some tricks (which are not from hadith).
I swear you can have fine cleanliness without hadith. Common sense works the trick. Rational and logical thinking is a winning combination.
You are a little wrong, without hadith you have the islam as intended by God. If you merely think about your hygiene you will see yourself when you are unclean. Consider when you talk about raised awareness. God will bless you with Wisdom and Knowledge and hence help you along the way if you have Faith in Him.
And lastly, circumcision is destroying what God created. It is removing a working organ. I am sure it entered the Jewish faith and later contaminated islam too. Circumcision is mentioned in the Torah.
But circumcising a full grown man, is that not torture if you have no anesthesia?
There is also mentioned in the Bible to circumcise your heart as far as I can recall. I think it is an ancient misunderstanding with dire consequences. I think people used the scripture to twist God's words, just as you say about hadith. Hadith is twisting God's words by adding strange procedures and rituals. In what hadith do you believe other than God's hadith (Quran)?
God bless you
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Peace,
Circumcision is just a fake rule. It originates from the passages of the Old Testament. Being circumcised means minimal benefits and a lot of disadvantages. The only benefit I think of is that it may be easier to clean yourself after a toilet visit, but otherwise you have cut off a part of the bodily defense. Yes, the foreskin is there for a reason, God created it that way or else He would not have placed it there in the first place if it was to be surgically removed. The pleasure while in intercourse is also adversely affected.
Removing the foreskin is a very painful process even while sedated and I can guess what an experience it would have been for the alleged removal of Ibrahim's foreskin in adult age according to the Old Testament. Probably this procedure is rather a lie since I doubt God would order everyone to surgically remove their foreskin. Maybe it is an error in the translation.
Circumcision is not mentioned even once in Quran. And was it that important the Quran would have mentioned it or at least hinted at it.
Go against the practices of Ibrahim or Muhammad? The only scriptural evidence is from the Bible. Is that a reliable source when it comes to such drastical procedures?
And please do not mention hadith, because that is just not a viable source of information.
It seems against all logic to surgically remove something.
God bless you
If circumcision has no advantages than why so many people in the west are doing this, btw they are not muslims or jews? Name me those "disadvantages" if there are any?
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Peace,
You need no scriptural information to understand simple things are clean or unclean. I would not like to hug a sheep and go and pray straight afterwards (unless the sheep would be washed prior to it).
Clean dishes licked by unclean animal? How about wash them?
Which water is clean? Well, I think someone with average intellect can work that out.
How to remove "unclean" hair? How about using the modern invention "the razor blade"? I use my trimmer.
Dishes which used to contain alcohol? What a question. When do you have this issue?
Remove impurity from clothes? Well, modern detergents work fine on most stains. If not, there are some tricks (which are not from hadith).
My question is that if a person does not do these things, according to the Quran is he sinful or not? I would like an answer from Quran only, not your opinion. If you follow Quran only then answer must be from Quran.
And lastly, circumcision is destroying what God created.
Circumcision is mentioned in the Torah.
If circumcision is "destroying" what God created, then why is it mentioned in the Torah? Did you know that the Quran says Torah is revealed by Allah and Quran is confirming it? In fact, circumcision is the Sunnah of Prophet Ebrahim alayhis salam and practiced by all the Prophets and their followers.
Since Hadith rejectors don't practice circumcision, this proves that they are outside of Millat Ebrahim.
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You claim to follow the prophet based on apparent hadith which is proven to be authentic based on a chain of transmission, according to who??. I guess that just proves your lack of knowledge on the matter. Ahadith authenticity is pretty much focused on a chain however content is important but I guess the dirawaya isn?t significant to you if you choose to only follow a chain then I guess you?re knowledge is limited.
I recommend reading http//www.scribd.com/doc/119660399
Then if you want to discuss about hadith, we can discuss in another section.
In any case if you don?t know, Quran was written before the prophet died. Read your sources about suhoof alquran.
The hadith you quote is not clear that circumcision is obligatory, it just mentions characteristics of fitra, not that it is obligated, there is a difference. Moreover it doesn?t specify men or women. So unless you think the ruling is purely for men only where is your evidence? What is your proof?
Wrong, it is obligatory as proven from the Hadith in Bukhari Sharif.
Wrong, you mentioned a hadith but no proof where it says it is obligated. Where is the proof that the hadith says it is obligated? This discussion is about the principle of halal and haram. Not your interpretations. If you said you followed the hadith because it was a sunnah that would have been accurate but no you said it?s obligated. Can you see the principle?
Well if you dismiss Hadith then you have no cleanliness, because Quran doesnt mention directly about circumcision, what is impure, how to remove unclean hair, what animals are unclean, how to remove impurity from clothes, how to clean dishes licked by unclean animals or which contained alcohol or unclean meat, what kind of water is pure and how much amount of water you need to ensure its purity, etc.
None of this is in Quran, you have to get it from Hadith. So in other words if you reject Hadith you have no Islam left.
No you?re extrapolating your own conclusions.
Firstly if someone removes ?unclean hair? ?removes impurity from clothes? is circumcised etc etc etc Yet they do this out of their understanding of what is clean/beneficial. Do you still see them as unclean? That means according to your logic they have accepted islam, because you say if you reject such hadith you have left islam. See how irrational your logic is?
Another thing, you will not find everything you want to know in hadith, why do you think fatawa exist?
You do not have to learn how to be clean from hadith and it?s not your place to judge who has or hasn?t left islam.
There are benefits to circumcision but there is no obligation mentioned by God and if you disagree with that, then I guess we have different views.
The principle is that you can?t obligate a thing God has not made an obligation. You have made your own deductions and concluded it is purity/cleanliness etc so you did it, that?s fine but don?t go on making it an obligation upon everyone. Many people have been circumcised even those that claim to follow the Quran-Alone and there are traditional sunnis that do not circumcise.
if your understanding is based on hadith, based on torah or whatever else. That is your conclusion but you cannot expect to force it upon another. Ultimately you will be judged on your own deeds. you can put your evidence forth and others can put there's.
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You claim to follow the prophet based on apparent hadith which is proven to be authentic based on a chain of transmission, according to who??
According to the evidence. And the Quran says to verify news that is brought to you. This is the whole basis of the Hadith science known as Ilm ul Rijaal and Jarh wat Tadeel, about verifying the credibility of the narrators. The Hadith science is in fact the pride of Islam since no other religion can verify the credibility of the writers and narrators of their scriptures.
But Alhamdulillah we can read the biography and history of each and every narrator of authentic Hadith and see if he is a truthful person. Therefore we are follow Hadith based on evidence and not blind following. Unlike you who follow the Quran but have no proof that Quran is the word of God.
In any case if you don?t know, Quran was written before the prophet died.
Where's your proof? Show me a manuscript of the complete Quran which is dated before the year 633 CE.
The hadith you quote is not clear that circumcision is obligatory, it just mentions characteristics of fitra, not that it is obligated, there is a difference. Moreover it doesn?t specify men or women. So unless you think the ruling is purely for men only where is your evidence? What is your proof?
Fitra means something which is natural. Other Hadith show that going against the Fitra is haram. And the Hadith is general, so it applies to women with regard to removing unclean hair, cutting nails, etc. However, there are some parts of the Hadith which are obviously only for men. For example
'A'isha reported The Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said Ten are the acts according to fitra clipping the moustache, letting the beard grow, using the tooth-stick, snuffing water in the nose, cutting the nails, washing the finger joints, plucking the hair under the armpits, shaving the pubes and cleaning one's private parts with water. The narrator said I have forgotten the tenth, but it may have been rinsing the mouth. (Sahih Muslim)
Now the trimming mustache and letting beard grow obviously only apply to men since women dont have mustache or beard. As for circumcision, there is difference of opinion if it is necessary for women. But other Hadith show that even women should be circumcised but it is not obligatory only recommended.
Firstly if someone removes ?unclean hair? ?removes impurity from clothes? is circumcised etc etc etc Yet they do this out of their understanding of what is clean/beneficial. Do you still see them as unclean? That means according to your logic they have accepted islam, because you say if you reject such hadith you have left islam. See how irrational your logic is?
Well as the Hadith says these things are part of the Fitra, meaning a person will naturally want to do this whether he is Muslim or not. However, many people who are ignorant and dont follow Islam do not keep clean and go against the Hadith. They don't get circumcised, they dont remove pubic hair, they dont remove armpit hairs, they keep long mustaches, and they don't clean their private parts with water (use toilet paper only like most Western people). So these ignorant and unclean people need Islam to guide them, and they will only get this correct guidance if they read Hadith because Quran doesnt mention these things.
Another thing, you will not find everything you want to know in hadith, why do you think fatawa exist?
Well a Fatwa is a ruling based on Quran and Hadith applying to a particular case. But if a Fatwa goes against Hadith it must be rejected.
There are benefits to circumcision but there is no obligation mentioned by God and if you disagree with that, then I guess we have different views.
If circumcision is beneficial as you confess, then why doesnt God obligate it?
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Here are a few questions I have for Hadith rejectors who say that since circumcision is not mentioned in the Quran, it is not necessary
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Going by this line of reasoning, removal of pubic hair, armpit hair, and trimming of fingernails and toenails when they become long or dirty are not mentioned in the Holy Quran either. Therefore, according to Hadith rejectors, will such people who do not remove pubic hair, armpit hair, nails, etc., be considered as sinful or not? Western and non-Muslim people do not remove pubic hair/armpit hair, do Hadith rejectors follow their culture also since it is not forbidden in Quran?
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Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, stool, maniyy, madhiyy (seminal fluid), vomit, is impure. According to Hadith-rejectors will a person be sinful if he does not wash off these things from his body or clothes?
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According to Hadith-rejectors, will a person be sinful for (God forbid) drinking these things which are not explicitly declared impure in the Quran, as this is the culture of many Westerners/non-Muslims?
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According to the Quran, the meat of swine is forbidden, but nowhere in the Quran does it say that the perspiration or saliva of swine, or any other animal for that matter, is impure. If these things get onto the clothes or body of a Hadith-rejector, will he be sinful for not washing them off, or praying while traces of a pig's saliva or perspiration is on his body and/or clothes?
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Nowhere in the Quran does it say that urine, dung, or seminal fluid of any animal is impure. Are these things halal for Hadith-rejectors, and will a Hadith rejector be sinful for touching, drinking, or not removing these traces from his body and clothes?
If you reject circumcision and say it is not mentioned in the Quran, then how will you answer the above five questions?
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Then how will you answer this question?
- In the book of gossips there's a suggestion to eat flies, will you do it?
- In the book of gossips there's a suggestion to drink Camel's urine, will you do it?
- Nowhere in the Quran or book of gossips any mention of forbidding eating the flesh of non-muslim / your vanquished enemy / the kuffars, thus it's not forbidden and 'cannibalism' is endorsed?
And the list can goes on and on and on..
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According to the evidence. And the Quran says to verify news that is brought to you. This is the whole basis of the Hadith science known as Ilm ul Rijaal and Jarh wat Tadeel, about verifying the credibility of the narrators. The Hadith science is in fact the pride of Islam since no other religion can verify the credibility of the writers and narrators of their scriptures.
But Alhamdulillah we can read the biography and history of each and every narrator of authentic Hadith and see if he is a truthful person. Therefore we are follow Hadith based on evidence and not blind following. Unlike you who follow the Quran but have no proof that Quran is the word of God.
Do you know when the hadiths being written?
Example
According to your dad, your deceased great grandpa saith "My wife is a bitch!"How can you verify the credibility of rumors / gossips when the source of the rumor / gossip has been dead?
Unless Ouija board or other means of 'talking to the dead' is considered as 'valid techniques'.. rotfl
'A'isha reported The Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said Ten are the acts according to fitra clipping the moustache, letting the beard grow, using the tooth-stick, snuffing water in the nose, cutting the nails, washing the finger joints, plucking the hair under the armpits, shaving the pubes and cleaning one's private parts with water. The narrator said I have forgotten the tenth, but it may have been rinsing the mouth. (Sahih Muslim)
No toothpaste here... brushing your teeth using a toothpaste is HARAM and sinful act! rotfl
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Then how will you answer this question?
- In the book of gossips there's a suggestion to eat flies, will you do it?
- In the book of gossips there's a suggestion to drink Camel's urine, will you do it?
What sit he book of gossips?
By the way no Hadith mentions to eat flies or drink camel urine. The Hadith about camel urine is taken out of context. Ive already explained that elsewhere. In fact Hadith makes it clear to stay away from all urine which is impure.
- Nowhere in the Quran or book of gossips any mention of forbidding eating the flesh of non-muslim / your vanquished enemy / the kuffars, thus it's not forbidden and 'cannibalism' is endorsed?
Yes nowhere in the Quran. This why you need Hadith )
Hadith explicitly forbid cannibalism. One Hadith says its forbidden to eat any creature that has canines (humans have canines) and another Hadith states it forbidden to even break the bones of a dead person - so how to eat it?But nowhere in Quran is cannibalism forbidden. This why you need Hadith.