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    mmmm
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    Thank you drfazl for your posts. I was wondering about saving too and I just dont understand there is the ayat about when someone is dying he should leave for his wife a one year financial security. To me that seems imposible if one doesnt save (2240). Otherwise saving is contrary to 1042. Maybe its not so black &white depending on the reason, circumstances etc...What do you think?

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      Peace all

      In that case all words and languages are man-made. The Arabic language was not exclusive to the Quran, God chose this language for His revelation or no one would have understood it. It existed prior to Quran.

      Religion is not an accurate translation of deen, but it may be acceptable as such. You need to analyze the etymology of the word religion and not what it stands for in common usage. I have my theories of that and it is not far off from deen.

      Yes Man of Faith, the word "deen" is cannot simply translate into "religion", but it has the wide meaning.
      The proper example is my intepretation in page 2.

      "Religion" is a correct translation. In "english" We say "the catholic religion" or "the
      protestant religion" or "the jewish religion" or "the muslim religion" or "the hindu
      religion". We do not say "the christian deen" or "the jewish path" or "the catholic way"

      Thankyou for some your explanation of english grammar in this thread, but as non English speaker I more concentrate on Arab-Indonesia, rather than Arab-English peace.

      Not only Surah Kafirun who told about this, but also 1041.Both of this verse told us to follow our own path without disturbing another people paths.It's why I call Surah Al-Kafeerun as anti oppresion.

      1041 And if they deny you, then say ?I have my deeds (amal), and you have your deeds (amal). You are innocent from what I do, and I am innocent from what you do.?

      See this verse.Verse 1041 is very similiar with Al-Kafeerun and it's about amal and not limited only for religion.

      Another blind sheep promoting European freedom. A blind sheep that does not see the fence around him/her. Freedom in Europe, hahahahahahahah. Do you want to see where your freedom ends? just try to walk in the opposite direction of the flock, and when you are close to the fence try to jump it, then you will see how you end up slaughtered in the table of your masters.

      Hoey my comrade, don't describe me by using that Christian term such like "blind sheep" elektro.

      wrkmmn, do you know who really I am? do you know my background?

      I live in a village with traditional adab and cultures still highly viscous.Because of this I always hide my Quran alone teaching from my family, friends, and neighboor because if they know my true faith, possibility I will be abandoned and became "trash" in society.
      Baah I'm educated people, I want have some free-thinking withouth any opression.

      You must say Alhamdullilah to Allah because you live in a place withouth any oppression, forcing ideals so you can implemented your Quran Alone teaching openly without any fear nor bounded by any traditional mindset.

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        drfazl
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        Thank you drfazl for your posts. I was wondering about saving too and I just dont understand there is the ayat about when someone is dying he should leave for his wife a one year financial security. To me that seems imposible if one doesnt save (2240). Otherwise saving is contrary to 1042. Maybe its not so black &white depending on the reason, circumstances etc...What do you think?

        2240 Says the dying husband must without fail put it down in his will that his household shall take full care of his wife with honour and dignity for one year and until such time she moves to another house with an honourable exit. This ayat is not about bequeathing wealth and money he has saved but about the 'death-will' he should hand down to his household or next generation.

        With this take, we do not find contradiction between 2240 & 1042.

        Salam
        drfazl

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          huruf
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          Going back to al kafirun,

          I don't see in this aya much to interpret. It says exactly what it says and it is full of meaning. We are not God, we cannot make as we want with the people or the things or the universe. Therefore all we want with dealing with those with whom we do not agree is just state clearly that we disagree, and that we agree to disagree. In that sense it is, like earthdom says, applicable to different circumstances, like personality of tastes or whatever.

          You to your thing I to my thing and the world goes on turning. It is, yes a bout freedom, and more even than freedom, facts, and it is about clarity. We know where we stand. Ultimately, clarity, acknowledgement of facts, makes for peace and for freedom.

          Salaam

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            Peace drfazl

            I do not save but spend for the best living

            Just don't spend it all in the good life, remember Qur'an 731 O CHILDREN of Adam! Beautify yourselves for every act of worship, and eat and drink , but do not waste verily, He does not love the wasteful!

            I just wonder, if you do it for the sake of God, why don't you do it for free? because, the gifts that come for free shall be given for free.
            Jesus told his disciples when he sent them to fulfill their duty " Matthew106-10 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ?The kingdom of heaven is at hand.? 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, 10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food.

            Matthew 715-23 15 ?Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep?s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

            Qur'an 4730 And if We wished, We would show them to you so you would recognize them by their looks. However, you can recognize them by their speech. And God is fully aware of your works.

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              drfazl
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              Wrkmmn
              Peace

              Spending for the best life includes every care you undertake with belief in God as bottom line. Believe in your income that which God gives you; and shift not your belief to the savings you had stacked as wealth from what God had given you. This is thankless insincerity to God.

              And as to the gifts they come for free to be thrown away at random? Any verse with effect to that? Please read 2273 and see if you could sense your view anywhere near to that!

              And finally I do not get why you had referred the ayat 4730?

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                FreedomStands
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                teaching Quran and how to be under the grace of Allah by shirking away from shirk. My fees now is USD 2000 per patient. It is no more a fees now because I am not curing but God. It is an offering they have to give as their alms for Allah having guided them in the right path through a chosen person from among them. I was not revealing this all along only to avoid embarrassment on both the sides.

                9103
                Take Sadaqah (alms) from their wealth in order to purify them and sanctify them with it, and invoke Allah for them. Verily! Your invocations are a source of security for them, and Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

                Peace,
                brother
                fazlur rahman

                HAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm SO excited about your future drfazul! HAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm SO EXCITED ABOUT YOUR FUTURE DRFAZL!!!!! I'm SOOOOOOOO EXCITED ABOUT YOUR FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!

                377
                Lo! those who purchase a small gain at the cost of Allah's covenant and their oaths, they have no portion in the Hereafter. Allah will neither speak to them nor look upon them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He make them grow. Theirs will be a painful doom.

                2174
                Those who conceal God's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; God will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them Grievous will be their penalty.

                544
                ...and do not take a small price for My communications...

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                to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

                2141
                And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.

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                And do not take a small price in exchange for Allah's covenant; surely what is with Allah is better for you, did you but know.

                4223
                This it is which Allah announceth unto His bondmen who believe and do good works. Say (O Muhammad, unto mankind) I ask of you no fee therefor, save lovingkindness among kinsfolk. And whoso scoreth a good deed We add unto its good for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Responsive.

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                  faruk
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                  drfazl is not taking small price , he is sucking blood from poor. So may be no problem.

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                    FreedomStands
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                    drfazl is not taking small price , he is sucking blood from poor. So may be no problem.

                    I laughed! I thought of a similar joke myself, that "oh, well he isn't taking a small price, so maybe he is avoiding those revelations that way" hahah.

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                      FreedomStands
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                      Peace,

                      Hmm... 2000 bucks for your service.

                      God bless you

                      lol, God bless him? God curses such, no? Maybe not your God.

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        Freedomstands,

                        God is your God and my God.

                        Of course God curses. Blindness is a curse. But one should always look at oneself first. God does not have to really do anything for the soul shrinks to non-existence and then they will have a relapse. That is punishment enough. Perhaps they are reborn blind.

                        Even more sin it is to hurt a blessed person, because they have the favor of God. God protects those held dear.

                        That is indeed a message to be reflected upon.

                        Be well

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                          DrGm
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                          Even more sin it is to hurt a blessed person, because they have the favor of God. God protects those held dear.

                          That is indeed a message to be reflected upon.

                          Be well

                          true

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                            FreedomStands
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                            Was that tafsir written by one

                            <- read from this direction.

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