:: Bani or Walad - What does they mean? ::

mmkhan

Salaam,

You can already see there is a difference between two words "bani" and "walad", unfortunately, they are translated as same. I will try to put forward my understand on this for you all with the permission of my Lord, Allah, inshaAllah.

2233
2233 Mothers may breastfeed their children two complete years for whoever wishes to complete the nursing. Upon the father is the mothers' provision and their clothing according to what is acceptable. No person is charged with more than his capacity. No mother should be harmed through her child, and no father through his child. And upon the heir is like that. And if they both desire weaning through mutual consent from both of them and consultation, there is no blame upon either of them. And if you wish to have your children nursed by a substitute, there is no blame upon you as long as you give payment according to what is acceptable. And fear Allah and know that Allah is Seeing of what you do.

This aayat uses most of derivatives of the word walad and it means as follows

= mothers
= her children
= father
= mother
= her child
= father
= child
= your children

In simple words

Mother = waalidatun
Father = mauloodun
Walad = child
Aulaad = children

You can also take a look at sura 112 for more detail.

When walad means child and aulaad means children.. what means "bani" then? Almost all translators translated it as "son" and "banaat" as "daughter", but this is not true.

Please take a close look at 47 - 412 which is about taraka means what is left by parents. In these aayaat instead of bani and banaat, rijaal & nisa, and zakar & unsa is used. And also walad and aulaad is used. Why bani and banaat is not used in these aayaat where these are about the division of property to the children from their parents? Bani and banaat is not used because they does not mean son and daughter.

Bani simply means make/made/build.

6611
6611 And Allah presents an example of those who believed the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, "My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people."

The same exact word is used in 545.

546
546 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

Do you see the difference in translation?
Now you have to think what means in 546 and there are many like , etc. Many questions will arise on this now, inshaAllah, we will discuss them in detail if my Lord permits.

This is my personal understanding, please study all the aayaat/words quoted above before accepting it.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Noon_waalqalami

Peace and greetings --

You can already see there is a difference between two words "bani" and "walad"

Walad = child

When walad means child and aulaad means children.. what means "bani" then? Almost all translators translated it as "son" and "banaat" as "daughter", but this is not true.

Please take a close look at 47 - 412 which is about taraka means what is left by parents. In these aayaat instead of bani and banaat, rijaal & nisa, and zakar & unsa is used. And also walad and aulaad is used. Why bani and banaat is not used in these aayaat where these are about the division of property to the children from their parents? Bani and banaat is not used because they does not mean son and daughter.

Bani simply means make/made/build.

6611
6611 And Allah presents an example of those who believed the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, "My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people."

The same exact word is used in 545.

546
546 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

Do you see the difference in translation?
Now you have to think what means in 546

is closer in English as begot/beget or something like that and depending on context; examples?

4036 and said Firaun O Haman beget (i.e. construct) for me a monument ?

616 and when said Isa begot (i.e. son of) Maryam

6611 and shows the god example to the those who believe lady Firaun when said she lord beget (i.e. construct) for me near you a house in the garden/paradise and save me from Firaun and his work and save me from the folk the wrongdoers

walad best rendered as born/offspring; again use context careful reading for precise meaning?

411 ? and to parents theirs to each one from them two the sixth from what left if kana/he is (m/s) for him/deceased person walad/born/offspring

Above is a simple conditional IF statement
IF ?kana/he is born (masculine singular)? to person i.e. if male child born/offspring or this case "a son" to deceased THEN 1/6 to parents

2391 not has taken the god from walad/born/offspring (i.e. born/offspring of any sex)
If walad always and only meant son then it would not rule out taking daughters.

Walad = child

Not necessarily always the case?

1221 and said the who bought him from Egypt to lady his make comfortable rest his perhaps that he will benefit us or we take him waladan/born/offspring of/as and like that established we to Yusuf in the earth and to teach him from interpretation the narratives and the god predominant on directive his and however more the humankind not who knowing

mmkhan

Peace and greetings --

is closer in English as begot/beget or something like that and depending on context; examples?

4036 and said Firaun O Haman beget (i.e. construct) for me a monument ?

616 and when said Isa begot (i.e. son of) Maryam

6611 and shows the god example to the those who believe lady Firaun when said she lord beget (i.e. construct) for me near you a house in the garden/paradise and save me from Firaun and his work and save me from the folk the wrongdoers

Peace and greeting

Thanks for the aayaat.
I strongly believe that no same word has different meaning in whatever context it might be. This means, we might be understanding it wrong, when we change its meaning. For example

Eisa was a son of Maryam
Eisa was made/build by Maryam

These two example gives entirely different meaning. I understand that when Allah uses a particular word instead of many other words in any sentence, it must have some specific meaning for us to understand, instead of changing it with the context. Or I should say, instead of changing it as per traditional translations.

walad best rendered as born/offspring; again use context careful reading for precise meaning?

411 ? and to parents theirs to each one from them two the sixth from what left if kana/he is (m/s) for him/deceased person walad/born/offspring

Above is a simple conditional IF statement
IF ?kana/he is born (masculine singular)? to person i.e. if male child born/offspring or this case "a son" to deceased THEN 1/6 to parents

As per my understanding in 411 does not mean parents. Please take a look at 1723 the word used in it for parents is .

2391 not has taken the god from walad/born/offspring (i.e. born/offspring of any sex)
If walad always and only meant son then it would not rule out taking daughters.

In fact, I don't mean walad only means son. I wrote it child instead of son.

Not necessarily always the case?

1221 and said the who bought him from Egypt to lady his make comfortable rest his perhaps that he will benefit us or we take him waladan/born/offspring of/as and like that established we to Yusuf in the earth and to teach him from interpretation the narratives and the god predominant on directive his and however more the humankind not who knowing

Thanks for the aayat.
Thanks for correction, I should remove "biological" from it. Similar to this is in 2618.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Bender

Peace and greeting

Please take a look at 1723 the word used in it for parents is .

Thanks for the aayat.
Thanks for correction, I should remove "biological" from it. Similar to this is in 2618.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Salaamun alayka bro,

RED similar is also 289

BLUE I think if is walad is not per se biological child then is also not per se biological parents.

Salaam,
Bender

Noon_waalqalami

Peace and greeting

Thanks for the aayaat.
I strongly believe that no same word has different meaning in whatever context it might be. This means, we might be understanding it wrong, when we change its meaning. For example

Eisa was a son of Maryam
Eisa was made/build by Maryam

These two example gives entirely different meaning. I understand that when Allah uses a particular word instead of many other words in any sentence, it must have some specific meaning for us to understand, instead of changing it with the context. Or I should say, instead of changing it as per traditional translations.

Peace mmkhan,

Words in all languages have different meanings depending on context. Again it?s as in the English beget/begot/begotten e.g.

Isa begot of Maryam
Haman beget (i.e. produce) for me a monument

Qur?an has numerous examples of different meaning depending on context...

what/not

the garden/jinn

to the male/remembrance

434 wa-iribuhunna -- and travel/strike/show/put forth/leave them

279 ? writing the book with hands theirs
491 ? and restrain yeh hands theirs
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both

As per my understanding in 411 does not mean parents. Please take a look at 1723 the word used in it for parents is .

There are various ways to refer to parents including grandparents, forefathers, etc?

411 ? and to parents his (includes grandparents)
411? and heirs parents his

1880 and as for the boy so are parents his believers

1299 so when entered they on Yusuf/Joseph he took to him parents his and said enter yeh Egypt if willed the god safe
12100 and raised parents his on the throne?

In fact, I don't mean walad only means son. I wrote it child instead of son.

walad/born/offspring ? applicable to any age; child typically does not refer to adults.

Bender

Peace mmkhan,

Words in all languages have different meanings depending on context.

Salaamun alayka brother,

I believe that is not an evidence when we are talking about The Quran.
It's like saying all books in the world have some errors in them so there must be also some errors in The Quran.

Qur?an has numerous examples of different meaning depending on context...

what/not

"MA" is not a word, it works like a function.
In combination with other "functions" like ILLA or WALAKIN etc etc etc the outcome of the function can vary.

In algebra we have something like this

= +

= -
-+ = -
+- = -
++ = +
- = +

similar is the case with MA and with a lot of other "functions". The term "function" is from me, I don't know how to call such "words".

the garden/jinn

jin and jan is not the same I believe

to the male/remembrance

thikr and thakr is not the same

434 wa-iribuhunna -- and travel/strike/show/put forth/leave them

Exact the same spelling is exact the same meaning. When there is a bit of difference in spelling then there is also a bit of difference in meaning.
But the core meaning of the word is always the same.

279 ? writing the book with hands theirs
491 ? and restrain yeh hands theirs
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both

"yad" does not mean hand. We understand it as hand but that is totally wrong understanding.

There are various ways to refer to parents including grandparents, forefathers, etc?

411 ? and to parents his (includes grandparents)
411? and heirs parents his

1880 and as for the boy so are parents his believers

1299 so when entered they on Yusuf/Joseph he took to him parents his and said enter yeh Egypt if willed the god safe
12100 and raised parents his on the throne?

walad/born/offspring ? applicable to any age; child typically does not refer to adults.

What I said above applies also here.

Anyway this is my understanding at the moment, I could be totally wrong, but this is what Allah has taught me about some things of AlQuran.

Salaam,
Bender

Noon_waalqalami

Salaamun alayka brother,

I believe that is not an evidence when we are talking about The Quran.
It's like saying all books in the world have some errors in them so there must be also some errors in The Quran.

Peace brother Bender,

Not errors; languages are imperfect, slang words, nuances, words with different meanings depending on context.

Exact the same spelling is exact the same meaning. When there is a bit of difference in spelling then there is also a bit of difference in meaning.
But the core meaning of the word is always the same.

"yad" does not mean hand. We understand it as hand but that is totally wrong understanding.

What I said above applies also here.

Anyway this is my understanding at the moment, I could be totally wrong, but this is what Allah has taught me about some things of AlQuran.

If not hands ?

56 ? so wash yeh faces yours and hands yours to the elbow and wipe yeh heads yours and feet yours to the ankles (dual/both) ?

unknownuser

is closer in English as begot/beget or something like that and depending on context; examples?

This is the only proper answer for this thread D

Bender

Peace brother Bender,

If not hands ?

56 ? so wash yeh faces yours and hands yours to the elbow and wipe yeh heads yours and feet yours to the ankles (dual/both) ?

Salaamun alayka brother,

The word yad and it's derivatives are in The Quran according to corpusquran 120 times.
Not a single time it starts with AL hmm

To be honest I do not have a word for it in English, but also in Dutch (I live in The Netherlands) I can not find a word which is close to the meaning of yad.
But I will try to explain with an example.

I have an apple is in my YAD
I have the power in my YAD

What is the similarity between YAD in 1 and YAD in 2?

If we understand the similarity between those 2 YADS then we have our definition of YAD and inshaAllah we will understand then every ayaat in the Quraan where "yad" is mentioned, because we understand now the core meaning of the word YAD.
We will inshaAllah understand then ayaats were for example "YAD Allah" is mentioned yes

But again this is how I understand it. I could be totally wrong. I use this method for every word in The Quran. Because there are no discrepancies in The Quran. And giving same words different meanings/concepts at different places is for sure in my eyes a discrepancy.
I can twist every word in my favour and who is then able to judge me wrong then?

482

Salaam,
Bender

mmkhan

Peace mmkhan,

Words in all languages have different meanings depending on context. Again it?s as in the English beget/begot/begotten e.g.

Isa begot of Maryam
Haman beget (i.e. produce) for me a monument

Qur?an has numerous examples of different meaning depending on context...

Peace brother,

Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.

what/not

the garden/jinn

to the male/remembrance

434 wa-iribuhunna -- and travel/strike/show/put forth/leave them

My stand is same as brother Bender on this.

279 ? writing the book with hands theirs
491 ? and restrain yeh hands theirs
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both

I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(

There are various ways to refer to parents including grandparents, forefathers, etc?

411 ? and to parents his (includes grandparents)
411? and heirs parents his

1880 and as for the boy so are parents his believers

1299 so when entered they on Yusuf/Joseph he took to him parents his and said enter yeh Egypt if willed the god safe
12100 and raised parents his on the throne?

Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?

walad/born/offspring ? applicable to any age; child typically does not refer to adults.

Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.

To be honest I do not have a word for it in English, but also in Dutch (I live in The Netherlands) I can not find a word which is close to the meaning of yad.
But I will try to explain with an example.

Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

uq

In Classical Arabic, the term "walad" is applied to one's child of any age and of both genders.

The term "ibn" is reserved exclusively for one's male child. In contrast, the term "ibnah" is applied to one's female child.

There are several Modern Arabic dialects that retain this distinction.

These definitions are ascertainable with proof, which, unfortunately, can't be said of many other opinions in this thread.

Noon_waalqalami

In Classical Arabic, the term "walad" is applied to one's child of any age and of both genders.

The term "ibn" is reserved exclusively for one's male child. In contrast, the term "ibnah" is applied to one's female child.

There are several Modern Arabic dialects that retain this distinction.

These definitions are ascertainable with proof, which, unfortunately, can't be said of many other opinions in this thread.

Peace uq -- context forms gender; if always translate walad as child any sex never get inheritance correct ...

411 ... if kana/he is (m. singular) to him (i.e. deceased) walad/born (if to person was a male born or son)
412 and for you half what left spouses yours if not was for them walad/born (if no child any sex)

Peace brother,

Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.

Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?

Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.
Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

Peace mmkhan, apply careful cross-reference and use context ...

411 ? and to parents both his

1299 so when entered they on Joseph he took to him parents both his and said enter yeh Egypt if willed the god safe 12100 and raised parents both his on the throne ...

2133 or were you witnesses when comes Jacob the death when said to offspring his what thou serving from after me said they we serve deity yours and deity fathers/forefathers yours Abraham and Ismail and Isaac deity one and we are for him muslimuna/peacemaking

2431 and say to the believers (feminine) should lower from gaze theirs and should guard chastity theirs and not display adornment theirs except what apparent from it and let draw with covering theirs on bosoms theirs and not display adornment theirs except to husbands theirs or fathers/forefathers theirs or fathers husbands theirs or begot/sons theirs or begot/sons husbands theirs or brothers theirs or children brothers theirs or children sisters theirs or nisahinna/women theirs (i.e. female relatives) or what possess right hands/trust theirs or the followers/walkers behind not the ones the desire from al-rijal/the gentlemen or the young the ones not aware they on private the women and not beat with feet theirs to make evident what conceal from adornment theirs and turn yeh to the god all of you the believing that may you succeeding

I have an apple is in my YAD
I have the power in my YAD

What is the similarity between YAD in 1 and YAD in 2?

But again this is how I understand it. I could be totally wrong. I use this method for every word in The Quran. Because there are no discrepancies in The Quran. And giving same words different meanings/concepts at different places is for sure in my eyes a discrepancy.
I can twist every word in my favour and who is then able to judge me wrong then?

482

Salaam Bender, there is no contradiction if using context for correct meaning.

Do you agree in context below it is referring to washing one's literal hands?
56 ... so wash yeh faces yours and hands yours to the elbow and wipe yeh heads yours and feet yours to the ankles both...

Do you agree in context below it is referring to one's reach/means to perpetrate?
4824 and he the one withheld hands theirs about you and hands yours from them...
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both...

Bender

Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(

Salaamun alayka brother,

-X

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
Bender

Bender

Salaam Bender, there is no contradiction if using context for correct meaning.

Do you agree in context below it is referring to washing one's literal hands?
56 ... so wash yeh faces yours and hands yours to the elbow and wipe yeh heads yours and feet yours to the ankles both...

Do you agree in context below it is referring to one's reach/means to perpetrate?
4824 and he the one withheld hands theirs about you and hands yours from them...
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both...

Salaamun alyka brother,

I already got a warning from a > MmKhan for going off-topic &
But to give a quick answer, no I do not think yad in 56 means literal hands.
If you like you we can discuss this further in an other topic.

Salaam,
Bender

ansmeh1998

Salaam all,

=

= Bitter

= Sea

= Bitter Sea = Chrolophyl

Photosynthesis is the process of converting light energy to chemical energy and storing it in the bonds of sugar. Plants need only light energy, CO2, and H2O to make sugar. The process of photosynthesis takes place in the chloroplasts (Zechariah, specifically using chlorophyll (Mariam). In the process Oxygen is also produced.

The overall chemical reaction involved in photosynthesis is

6CO2 + 6H2O (+ light energy) C6H12O6 + 6O2.
(MALAIKA)

This is the source of the O2 (Eisa) we breathe, and thus, a significant factor in the concerns about deforestation.
There are two parts to photosynthesis. They are called the light reaction and the dark reaction

The ozone-oxygen cycle (http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone-oxygen_cycle)

It is the process by which ozone is continually regenerated in the Earth's stratosphere, all the while converting ultraviolet radiation (UV) into heat. Most of the ozone production occurs in the tropical upper stratosphere and mesosphere.

Chemistry

An oxygen molecule is split (photolyzed) by higher frequency UV light (top end of UV-B, UV-C and above) into two oxygen atoms

O2 + 2O (Crucifixion of Eissa)

Each oxygen atom then quickly combines with an oxygen molecule to form an ozone molecule

O + O2 O3 (Upliftment of Eissa)

GOD raised Eissa above, the place that we know as Ozone Layer.

Salaam!

noshirk

salam
very interesting remark.
worth to note that bani ismael is never used.

we have to study more this point.

peace

The_Chimp

Peace brother,

Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.
My stand is same as brother Bender on this.
I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(
Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?
Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.
Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

It seems you have confused two different words.

And

Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.

ansmeh1998

Salaam,

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? dissemble

for

? Decomposers

Peace!

The_Chimp

Salaam,

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for

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Peace!

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hmm

confused

giveup

ansmeh1998

Salaam,

? Made
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? Made of Blood

Peace