:: Bani or Walad - What does they mean? ::

mmkhan

Peace mmkhan,

Words in all languages have different meanings depending on context. Again it?s as in the English beget/begot/begotten e.g.

Isa begot of Maryam
Haman beget (i.e. produce) for me a monument

Qur?an has numerous examples of different meaning depending on context...

Peace brother,

Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.

what/not

the garden/jinn

to the male/remembrance

434 wa-iribuhunna -- and travel/strike/show/put forth/leave them

My stand is same as brother Bender on this.

279 ? writing the book with hands theirs
491 ? and restrain yeh hands theirs
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both

I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(

There are various ways to refer to parents including grandparents, forefathers, etc?

411 ? and to parents his (includes grandparents)
411? and heirs parents his

1880 and as for the boy so are parents his believers

1299 so when entered they on Yusuf/Joseph he took to him parents his and said enter yeh Egypt if willed the god safe
12100 and raised parents his on the throne?

Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?

walad/born/offspring ? applicable to any age; child typically does not refer to adults.

Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.

To be honest I do not have a word for it in English, but also in Dutch (I live in The Netherlands) I can not find a word which is close to the meaning of yad.
But I will try to explain with an example.

Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

uq

In Classical Arabic, the term "walad" is applied to one's child of any age and of both genders.

The term "ibn" is reserved exclusively for one's male child. In contrast, the term "ibnah" is applied to one's female child.

There are several Modern Arabic dialects that retain this distinction.

These definitions are ascertainable with proof, which, unfortunately, can't be said of many other opinions in this thread.

Noon_waalqalami

In Classical Arabic, the term "walad" is applied to one's child of any age and of both genders.

The term "ibn" is reserved exclusively for one's male child. In contrast, the term "ibnah" is applied to one's female child.

There are several Modern Arabic dialects that retain this distinction.

These definitions are ascertainable with proof, which, unfortunately, can't be said of many other opinions in this thread.

Peace uq -- context forms gender; if always translate walad as child any sex never get inheritance correct ...

411 ... if kana/he is (m. singular) to him (i.e. deceased) walad/born (if to person was a male born or son)
412 and for you half what left spouses yours if not was for them walad/born (if no child any sex)

Peace brother,

Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.

Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?

Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.
Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

Peace mmkhan, apply careful cross-reference and use context ...

411 ? and to parents both his

1299 so when entered they on Joseph he took to him parents both his and said enter yeh Egypt if willed the god safe 12100 and raised parents both his on the throne ...

2133 or were you witnesses when comes Jacob the death when said to offspring his what thou serving from after me said they we serve deity yours and deity fathers/forefathers yours Abraham and Ismail and Isaac deity one and we are for him muslimuna/peacemaking

2431 and say to the believers (feminine) should lower from gaze theirs and should guard chastity theirs and not display adornment theirs except what apparent from it and let draw with covering theirs on bosoms theirs and not display adornment theirs except to husbands theirs or fathers/forefathers theirs or fathers husbands theirs or begot/sons theirs or begot/sons husbands theirs or brothers theirs or children brothers theirs or children sisters theirs or nisahinna/women theirs (i.e. female relatives) or what possess right hands/trust theirs or the followers/walkers behind not the ones the desire from al-rijal/the gentlemen or the young the ones not aware they on private the women and not beat with feet theirs to make evident what conceal from adornment theirs and turn yeh to the god all of you the believing that may you succeeding

I have an apple is in my YAD
I have the power in my YAD

What is the similarity between YAD in 1 and YAD in 2?

But again this is how I understand it. I could be totally wrong. I use this method for every word in The Quran. Because there are no discrepancies in The Quran. And giving same words different meanings/concepts at different places is for sure in my eyes a discrepancy.
I can twist every word in my favour and who is then able to judge me wrong then?

482

Salaam Bender, there is no contradiction if using context for correct meaning.

Do you agree in context below it is referring to washing one's literal hands?
56 ... so wash yeh faces yours and hands yours to the elbow and wipe yeh heads yours and feet yours to the ankles both...

Do you agree in context below it is referring to one's reach/means to perpetrate?
4824 and he the one withheld hands theirs about you and hands yours from them...
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both...

Bender

Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(

Salaamun alayka brother,

-X

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
Bender

Bender

Salaam Bender, there is no contradiction if using context for correct meaning.

Do you agree in context below it is referring to washing one's literal hands?
56 ... so wash yeh faces yours and hands yours to the elbow and wipe yeh heads yours and feet yours to the ankles both...

Do you agree in context below it is referring to one's reach/means to perpetrate?
4824 and he the one withheld hands theirs about you and hands yours from them...
538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both...

Salaamun alyka brother,

I already got a warning from a > MmKhan for going off-topic &
But to give a quick answer, no I do not think yad in 56 means literal hands.
If you like you we can discuss this further in an other topic.

Salaam,
Bender

ansmeh1998

Salaam all,

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Photosynthesis is the process of converting light energy to chemical energy and storing it in the bonds of sugar. Plants need only light energy, CO2, and H2O to make sugar. The process of photosynthesis takes place in the chloroplasts (Zechariah, specifically using chlorophyll (Mariam). In the process Oxygen is also produced.

The overall chemical reaction involved in photosynthesis is

6CO2 + 6H2O (+ light energy) C6H12O6 + 6O2.
(MALAIKA)

This is the source of the O2 (Eisa) we breathe, and thus, a significant factor in the concerns about deforestation.
There are two parts to photosynthesis. They are called the light reaction and the dark reaction

The ozone-oxygen cycle (http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone-oxygen_cycle)

It is the process by which ozone is continually regenerated in the Earth's stratosphere, all the while converting ultraviolet radiation (UV) into heat. Most of the ozone production occurs in the tropical upper stratosphere and mesosphere.

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O + O2 O3 (Upliftment of Eissa)

GOD raised Eissa above, the place that we know as Ozone Layer.

Salaam!

noshirk

salam
very interesting remark.
worth to note that bani ismael is never used.

we have to study more this point.

peace

The_Chimp

Peace brother,

Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.
My stand is same as brother Bender on this.
I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(
Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?
Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.
Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

It seems you have confused two different words.

And

Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.

ansmeh1998

Salaam,

? Made
? index
? dissemble

for

? Decomposers

Peace!

The_Chimp

Salaam,

? Made
? index
? dissemble

for

? Decomposers

Peace!

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hmm

confused

giveup

ansmeh1998

Salaam,

? Made
? of
? Blood

? Made of Blood

Peace

mmkhan

It seems you have confused two different words.

And

Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.

I think you did not read opening post of this thread.
Anyways, how would you understand in 546 and 6611.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

noshirk

Salaam mmkhan

( &#1577

Again, thank you for your post and your remark
it is, i think, much more important than you think.

OM (and derivates OMMI, OMMA,OMMATON, AMATON) is to compare to WALIDA
AB, ABOU is to compare to WALID.
IBN is to compare to WALAD and ADYIA (&#1614

we have to look again here
3340 Mohammed is not ABA of any of your men, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. And God is fully aware of all things.

the opposition of ABA of any and Messenger of god is strange.

We have also to look again to Zayd case.
i ask allah to forgive me to have looked in hearsays. But there it is said that Zayd was only 10 years younger than Muhammad. It is also said that it was Khadija who gave "Zayd" as gift as slave the day of marriage. That mean, Zyad began to be slave of Muhammad when Zayd was 15 and Muhammad 25 (15 years before revelation according to hearsays).
Zayd was known as "zayd Ibn Muhammad".
What mean then Adya ? is that mean adopted son or simply someone who take the name of ?

335 Name them (adya) by their Aba. That is more just with God.....
Problem how to name boys from unknown father ?

and how to understand this
3337 ...... to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives ADYA if their relationship is ended. And the command of God is always done.

of course we have to understand also why bani is used with Bani Israel and Bani Adam and not to BANI Ibrahim or Bani Ismail...

Dear mmkhan, do you mind in what huge problem you put islam in ?

Thank you again.

Peace

unknownuser

It seems you have confused two different words.

And

Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.

Both of two words is same, just difference in writing style

Actually the red is not ya' but alif maqshurah.

Peace

The_Chimp

Both of two words is same, just difference in writing style

Actually the red is not ya' but alif maqshurah.

Peace

Both words are not same - one has root Ba Na Na and the other Ba Na Ya - check dictionary Hans Wehr.

If you do not know something then please do not bother replying with incorrect answers.

The_Chimp

I think you did not read opening post of this thread.
Anyways, how would you understand in 546 and 6611.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

As long as you know that both are different words . . .

In verse 546 Ibn = son. It is a noun.

In verse 6611 the word is "Bin" Imperative form of the verb Ba Na Na - Build.

unknownuser

Both words are not same - one has root Ba Na Na and the other Ba Na Ya - check dictionary Hans Wehr.

As I know Sunni didn't used Hans Wehr, since it's modern Arabic dictionary.

Build/ came from ba' and nun and the red is ya' withouth two dots called alif maqsuurat ( &#1577.

there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.

The_Chimp

As I know Sunni didn't used Hans Wehr, since it's modern Arabic dictionary.

Build/ came from ba' and nun and the red is ya' withouth two dots called alif maqsuurat ( ).

there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.

Hans Wher contains Classical Arabic - its a mid level concise dictionary.

there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.

Incorrect. There are plent of such root. Ha Qa Qa Haqq.

Qa Sa Sa Qass - to cut.

Ka Na Na To hide.

mmkhan