:: Bani or Walad - What does they mean? ::
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Peace brother,
Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.
My stand is same as brother Bender on this.
I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(
Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?
Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.
Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanIt seems you have confused two different words.
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Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.
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Salaam,
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Peace!
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Salaam,
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Peace
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It seems you have confused two different words.
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Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.
I think you did not read opening post of this thread.
Anyways, how would you understand in 546 and 6611.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam mmkhan
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Again, thank you for your post and your remark
it is, i think, much more important than you think.OM (and derivates OMMI, OMMA,OMMATON, AMATON) is to compare to WALIDA
AB, ABOU is to compare to WALID.
IBN is to compare to WALAD and ADYIA (َwe have to look again here
3340 Mohammed is not ABA of any of your men, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. And God is fully aware of all things.the opposition of ABA of any and Messenger of god is strange.
We have also to look again to Zayd case.
i ask allah to forgive me to have looked in hearsays. But there it is said that Zayd was only 10 years younger than Muhammad. It is also said that it was Khadija who gave "Zayd" as gift as slave the day of marriage. That mean, Zyad began to be slave of Muhammad when Zayd was 15 and Muhammad 25 (15 years before revelation according to hearsays).
Zayd was known as "zayd Ibn Muhammad".
What mean then Adya ? is that mean adopted son or simply someone who take the name of ?335 Name them (adya) by their Aba. That is more just with God.....
Problem how to name boys from unknown father ?and how to understand this
3337 ...... to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives ADYA if their relationship is ended. And the command of God is always done.of course we have to understand also why bani is used with Bani Israel and Bani Adam and not to BANI Ibrahim or Bani Ismail...
Dear mmkhan, do you mind in what huge problem you put islam in ?
Thank you again.
Peace
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It seems you have confused two different words.
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Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.
Both of two words is same, just difference in writing style
Actually the red is not ya' but alif maqshurah.
Peace
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Both of two words is same, just difference in writing style
Actually the red is not ya' but alif maqshurah.
Peace
Both words are not same - one has root Ba Na Na and the other Ba Na Ya - check dictionary Hans Wehr.
If you do not know something then please do not bother replying with incorrect answers.
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I think you did not read opening post of this thread.
Anyways, how would you understand in 546 and 6611.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanAs long as you know that both are different words . . .
In verse 546 Ibn = son. It is a noun.
In verse 6611 the word is "Bin" Imperative form of the verb Ba Na Na - Build.
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Both words are not same - one has root Ba Na Na and the other Ba Na Ya - check dictionary Hans Wehr.
As I know Sunni didn't used Hans Wehr, since it's modern Arabic dictionary.
Build/ came from ba' and nun and the red is ya' withouth two dots called alif maqsuurat ( ة.
there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah. -
As I know Sunni didn't used Hans Wehr, since it's modern Arabic dictionary.
Build/ came from ba' and nun and the red is ya' withouth two dots called alif maqsuurat ( ).
there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.Hans Wher contains Classical Arabic - its a mid level concise dictionary.
there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.Incorrect. There are plent of such root. Ha Qa Qa Haqq.
Qa Sa Sa Qass - to cut.
Ka Na Na To hide.
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Salaam mmkhan
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Again, thank you for your post and your remark
it is, i think, much more important than you think.OM (and derivates OMMI, OMMA,OMMATON, AMATON) is to compare to WALIDA
AB, ABOU is to compare to WALID.
IBN is to compare to WALAD and ADYIA (َwe have to look again here
3340 Mohammed is not ABA of any of your men, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. And God is fully aware of all things.the opposition of ABA of any and Messenger of god is strange.
We have also to look again to Zayd case.
i ask allah to forgive me to have looked in hearsays. But there it is said that Zayd was only 10 years younger than Muhammad. It is also said that it was Khadija who gave "Zayd" as gift as slave the day of marriage. That mean, Zyad began to be slave of Muhammad when Zayd was 15 and Muhammad 25 (15 years before revelation according to hearsays).
Zayd was known as "zayd Ibn Muhammad".
What mean then Adya ? is that mean adopted son or simply someone who take the name of ?335 Name them (adya) by their Aba. That is more just with God.....
Problem how to name boys from unknown father ?and how to understand this
3337 ...... to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives ADYA if their relationship is ended. And the command of God is always done.of course we have to understand also why bani is used with Bani Israel and Bani Adam and not to BANI Ibrahim or Bani Ismail...
Dear mmkhan, do you mind in what huge problem you put islam in ?
Thank you again.
Peace
Salaam brother noshirk,
I am sorry to say that you did not understand your post et all.
And the references you quoted which I don't believe in, disturbs me when I tried to understand your post.
Can you please rephrase your sentences and try to be specific to the word of Allah please? Thanks.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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As long as you know that both are different words . . .
In verse 546 Ibn = son. It is a noun.
In verse 6611 the word is "Bin" Imperative form of the verb Ba Na Na - Build.
I have a problem with red and blue highlighted parts above.
Red Why should I ignore the 'alif' when Allah as added it on purpose?
Blue If it is from the root Ba Noon Noon, then there must be a shadda on noon as you suggested in other reply of yours.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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I have a problem with red and blue highlighted parts above.
Red Why should I ignore the 'alif' when Allah as added it on purpose?
Blue If it is from the root Ba Noon Noon, then there must be a shadda on noon as you suggested in other reply of yours.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanRed Why should I ignore the 'alif' when Allah as added it on purpose?
Pronunciation - that is why. Hamza Wasli and Qataee. But in writing they are always written.
Blue If it is from the root Ba Noon Noon, then there must be a shadda on noon as you suggested in other reply of yours.
Yes that is correct. However - Arabic does not have roots that are composed of two letters . The minimum is three.
There many verbs in this category - There are known as Mudaaf - Doubled Verbs
http//arabic.desert-sky.net/g_conj.html
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Pronunciation - that is why. Hamza Wasli and Qataee. But in writing they are always written.
Pronunciation? We are talking about the TEXT not about its recitation.
Every letter and dialectic mark is written on purpose by Allah to guide us to the correct path.Yes that is correct. However - Arabic does not have roots that are composed of two letters . The minimum is three.
There many verbs in this category - There are known as Mudaaf - Doubled Verbs
http//arabic.desert-sky.net/g_conj.html
But we don't have any example from text of alQuraan. Do we?
As it claims to have all examples 1789.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Pronunciation? We are talking about the TEXT not about its recitation.
Every letter and dialectic mark is written on purpose by Allah to guide us to the correct path.
But we don't have any example from text of alQuraan. Do we?
As it claims to have all examples 1789.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanDialectic marks were added for the benefit of the reading and they are not really part of the original conveyed text as such.
Further than this it depends on your knowledge of Arabic - but I will hint at it.
Quran itself writes the word "Ism" with and without alif.
But we don't have any example from text of alQuraan. Do we?
As it claims to have all examples 1789.It is not clear what you are referring to here. We don;t have example of what from the Quran?
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Dialectic marks were added for the benefit of the reading and they are not really part of the original conveyed text as such.
Further than this it depends on your knowledge of Arabic - but I will hint at it.
Quran itself writes the word "Ism" with and without alif.
Wow! I am surprised.
Please let me know, do you believe that alQuraan is the word of Allah and it is sent by Allah?
If yes, then please answer me how Allah allows humans to insert something in His Book of guidance for the mankind?It is not clear what you are referring to here. We don;t have example of what from the Quran?
You wrote something about mudhaaf , I need an example from alQuraan for the same.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Wow! I am surprised.
Surprised over what?
Please let me know, do you believe that alQuraan is the word of Allah and it is sent by Allah?
I take it this is merely a rhetorical question.
If yes, then please answer me how Allah allows humans to insert something in His Book of guidance for the mankind?
What do you mean hoe Allah allows? There isn't really something that significant inserted - other than marks to help pronunciation for non-Arabs.
You wrote something about mudhaaf , I need an example from alQuraan for the same.
The word Haqq - its root is Ha Qa Qa.
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Surprised over what?
I take it this is merely a rhetorical question.
Sorry, but this is not the answer for my question.
What do you mean hoe Allah allows? There isn't really something that significant inserted - other than marks to help pronunciation for non-Arabs.
I strongly believe that if anything even a single mark is added to the text of alQuraan and if it remain for years, than that book is no more considered as the book of Allah. As human addition are there along with the text of Allah in it.
The word Haqq - its root is Ha Qa Qa.
Thanks for the aayat. Yes, I agree about the root.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan