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:: Bani or Walad - What does they mean? ::

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    Bender
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    Salaam Bender, there is no contradiction if using context for correct meaning.

    Do you agree in context below it is referring to washing one's literal hands?
    56 ... so wash yeh faces yours and hands yours to the elbow and wipe yeh heads yours and feet yours to the ankles both...

    Do you agree in context below it is referring to one's reach/means to perpetrate?
    4824 and he the one withheld hands theirs about you and hands yours from them...
    538 and the thief (m) and the thief (f) so cut yeh hands theirs both...

    Salaamun alyka brother,

    I already got a warning from a > MmKhan for going off-topic &
    But to give a quick answer, no I do not think yad in 56 means literal hands.
    If you like you we can discuss this further in an other topic.

    Salaam,
    Bender

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      ansmeh1998
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      Salaam all,

      • =

      = Bitter

      = Sea

      = Bitter Sea = Chrolophyl

      Photosynthesis is the process of converting light energy to chemical energy and storing it in the bonds of sugar. Plants need only light energy, CO2, and H2O to make sugar. The process of photosynthesis takes place in the chloroplasts (Zechariah, specifically using chlorophyll (Mariam). In the process Oxygen is also produced.

      The overall chemical reaction involved in photosynthesis is

      6CO2 + 6H2O (+ light energy) C6H12O6 + 6O2.
      (MALAIKA)

      This is the source of the O2 (Eisa) we breathe, and thus, a significant factor in the concerns about deforestation.
      There are two parts to photosynthesis. They are called the light reaction and the dark reaction

      The ozone-oxygen cycle (http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone-oxygen_cycle)

      It is the process by which ozone is continually regenerated in the Earth's stratosphere, all the while converting ultraviolet radiation (UV) into heat. Most of the ozone production occurs in the tropical upper stratosphere and mesosphere.

      Chemistry

      An oxygen molecule is split (photolyzed) by higher frequency UV light (top end of UV-B, UV-C and above) into two oxygen atoms

      O2 + 2O (Crucifixion of Eissa)

      Each oxygen atom then quickly combines with an oxygen molecule to form an ozone molecule

      O + O2 O3 (Upliftment of Eissa)

      GOD raised Eissa above, the place that we know as Ozone Layer.

      Salaam!

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        noshirk
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        salam
        very interesting remark.
        worth to note that bani ismael is never used.

        we have to study more this point.

        peace

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          The_Chimp
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          Peace brother,

          Yes I agree that mean beget/begot because it means 'gives rise to', which may refer to children or a building. So, does not necessarily means 'a son'. And I am sorry to say that I disagree with the red part above for alQuraan.
          My stand is same as brother Bender on this.
          I was expecting to discuss Bani and Walad on this thread, but brother Bender diverted the topic to yad >(
          Red If so, then how could we differentiate between our own parents, grand parents or fore fathers? How do we understand whom exactly this word is referring to?
          Correct! So, it means walad means son? 1221 also support this, inshaAllah.
          For offspring I think zurriyat is the word used in alQuraan.
          Do you mean, yad means reach? Something in your reach?

          May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
          mmKhan

          It seems you have confused two different words.

          And

          Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.

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            ansmeh1998
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            Salaam,

            ? Made
            ? index
            ? dissemble

            • for

            ? Decomposers

            Peace!

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              The_Chimp
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              Salaam,

              ? Made
              ? index
              ? dissemble

              • for

              ? Decomposers

              Peace!

              ???

              )

              hmm

              confused

              giveup

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                ansmeh1998
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                Salaam,

                ? Made
                ? of
                ? Blood

                ? Made of Blood

                Peace

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                  mmkhan
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                  It seems you have confused two different words.

                  And

                  Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.

                  I think you did not read opening post of this thread.
                  Anyways, how would you understand in 546 and 6611.

                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                  mmKhan

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                    noshirk
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                    Salaam mmkhan

                    ( &#1577

                    Again, thank you for your post and your remark
                    it is, i think, much more important than you think.

                    OM (and derivates OMMI, OMMA,OMMATON, AMATON) is to compare to WALIDA
                    AB, ABOU is to compare to WALID.
                    IBN is to compare to WALAD and ADYIA (&#1614

                    we have to look again here
                    3340 Mohammed is not ABA of any of your men, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. And God is fully aware of all things.

                    the opposition of ABA of any and Messenger of god is strange.

                    We have also to look again to Zayd case.
                    i ask allah to forgive me to have looked in hearsays. But there it is said that Zayd was only 10 years younger than Muhammad. It is also said that it was Khadija who gave "Zayd" as gift as slave the day of marriage. That mean, Zyad began to be slave of Muhammad when Zayd was 15 and Muhammad 25 (15 years before revelation according to hearsays).
                    Zayd was known as "zayd Ibn Muhammad".
                    What mean then Adya ? is that mean adopted son or simply someone who take the name of ?

                    335 Name them (adya) by their Aba. That is more just with God.....
                    Problem how to name boys from unknown father ?

                    and how to understand this
                    3337 ...... to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives ADYA if their relationship is ended. And the command of God is always done.

                    of course we have to understand also why bani is used with Bani Israel and Bani Adam and not to BANI Ibrahim or Bani Ismail...

                    Dear mmkhan, do you mind in what huge problem you put islam in ?

                    Thank you again.

                    Peace

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                      unknownuser
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                      It seems you have confused two different words.

                      And

                      Both are completely different words and roots with completely different meanings.

                      Both of two words is same, just difference in writing style

                      Actually the red is not ya' but alif maqshurah.

                      Peace

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                        The_Chimp
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                        Both of two words is same, just difference in writing style

                        Actually the red is not ya' but alif maqshurah.

                        Peace

                        Both words are not same - one has root Ba Na Na and the other Ba Na Ya - check dictionary Hans Wehr.

                        If you do not know something then please do not bother replying with incorrect answers.

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                          The_Chimp
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                          I think you did not read opening post of this thread.
                          Anyways, how would you understand in 546 and 6611.

                          May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                          mmKhan

                          As long as you know that both are different words . . .

                          In verse 546 Ibn = son. It is a noun.

                          In verse 6611 the word is "Bin" Imperative form of the verb Ba Na Na - Build.

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                            unknownuser
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                            Both words are not same - one has root Ba Na Na and the other Ba Na Ya - check dictionary Hans Wehr.

                            As I know Sunni didn't used Hans Wehr, since it's modern Arabic dictionary.

                            Build/ came from ba' and nun and the red is ya' withouth two dots called alif maqsuurat ( &#1577.

                            there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
                            The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.

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                              The_Chimp
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                              As I know Sunni didn't used Hans Wehr, since it's modern Arabic dictionary.

                              Build/ came from ba' and nun and the red is ya' withouth two dots called alif maqsuurat ( ).

                              there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
                              The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.

                              Hans Wher contains Classical Arabic - its a mid level concise dictionary.

                              there is none in Arabic have roots with same huruf like ba-na-na, dal-lam-lam.
                              The nun sounds double because diacritic named shaddah.

                              Incorrect. There are plent of such root. Ha Qa Qa Haqq.

                              Qa Sa Sa Qass - to cut.

                              Ka Na Na To hide.

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                                mmkhan
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                                Salaam mmkhan

                                ( &#1577

                                Again, thank you for your post and your remark
                                it is, i think, much more important than you think.

                                OM (and derivates OMMI, OMMA,OMMATON, AMATON) is to compare to WALIDA
                                AB, ABOU is to compare to WALID.
                                IBN is to compare to WALAD and ADYIA (&#1614

                                we have to look again here
                                3340 Mohammed is not ABA of any of your men, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. And God is fully aware of all things.

                                the opposition of ABA of any and Messenger of god is strange.

                                We have also to look again to Zayd case.
                                i ask allah to forgive me to have looked in hearsays. But there it is said that Zayd was only 10 years younger than Muhammad. It is also said that it was Khadija who gave "Zayd" as gift as slave the day of marriage. That mean, Zyad began to be slave of Muhammad when Zayd was 15 and Muhammad 25 (15 years before revelation according to hearsays).
                                Zayd was known as "zayd Ibn Muhammad".
                                What mean then Adya ? is that mean adopted son or simply someone who take the name of ?

                                335 Name them (adya) by their Aba. That is more just with God.....
                                Problem how to name boys from unknown father ?

                                and how to understand this
                                3337 ...... to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives ADYA if their relationship is ended. And the command of God is always done.

                                of course we have to understand also why bani is used with Bani Israel and Bani Adam and not to BANI Ibrahim or Bani Ismail...

                                Dear mmkhan, do you mind in what huge problem you put islam in ?

                                Thank you again.

                                Peace

                                Salaam brother noshirk,

                                I am sorry to say that you did not understand your post et all.
                                And the references you quoted which I don't believe in, disturbs me when I tried to understand your post.
                                Can you please rephrase your sentences and try to be specific to the word of Allah please? Thanks.

                                May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                mmKhan

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  As long as you know that both are different words . . .

                                  In verse 546 Ibn = son. It is a noun.

                                  In verse 6611 the word is "Bin" Imperative form of the verb Ba Na Na - Build.

                                  I have a problem with red and blue highlighted parts above.
                                  Red Why should I ignore the 'alif' when Allah as added it on purpose?
                                  Blue If it is from the root Ba Noon Noon, then there must be a shadda on noon as you suggested in other reply of yours.

                                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                  mmKhan

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                                    The_Chimp
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                                    I have a problem with red and blue highlighted parts above.
                                    Red Why should I ignore the 'alif' when Allah as added it on purpose?
                                    Blue If it is from the root Ba Noon Noon, then there must be a shadda on noon as you suggested in other reply of yours.

                                    May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                    mmKhan

                                    Red Why should I ignore the 'alif' when Allah as added it on purpose?

                                    Pronunciation - that is why. Hamza Wasli and Qataee. But in writing they are always written.

                                    Blue If it is from the root Ba Noon Noon, then there must be a shadda on noon as you suggested in other reply of yours.

                                    Yes that is correct. However - Arabic does not have roots that are composed of two letters . The minimum is three.

                                    There many verbs in this category - There are known as Mudaaf - Doubled Verbs

                                    http//arabic.desert-sky.net/g_conj.html

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                                      mmkhan
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                                      Pronunciation - that is why. Hamza Wasli and Qataee. But in writing they are always written.

                                      Pronunciation? We are talking about the TEXT not about its recitation.
                                      Every letter and dialectic mark is written on purpose by Allah to guide us to the correct path.

                                      Yes that is correct. However - Arabic does not have roots that are composed of two letters . The minimum is three.

                                      There many verbs in this category - There are known as Mudaaf - Doubled Verbs

                                      http//arabic.desert-sky.net/g_conj.html

                                      But we don't have any example from text of alQuraan. Do we?
                                      As it claims to have all examples 1789.

                                      May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                      mmKhan

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                                        The_Chimp
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                                        Pronunciation? We are talking about the TEXT not about its recitation.
                                        Every letter and dialectic mark is written on purpose by Allah to guide us to the correct path.
                                        But we don't have any example from text of alQuraan. Do we?
                                        As it claims to have all examples 1789.

                                        May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                        mmKhan

                                        Dialectic marks were added for the benefit of the reading and they are not really part of the original conveyed text as such.

                                        Further than this it depends on your knowledge of Arabic - but I will hint at it.

                                        Quran itself writes the word "Ism" with and without alif.

                                        But we don't have any example from text of alQuraan. Do we?
                                        As it claims to have all examples 1789.

                                        It is not clear what you are referring to here. We don;t have example of what from the Quran?

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                                          mmkhan
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                                          Dialectic marks were added for the benefit of the reading and they are not really part of the original conveyed text as such.

                                          Further than this it depends on your knowledge of Arabic - but I will hint at it.

                                          Quran itself writes the word "Ism" with and without alif.

                                          Wow! I am surprised.
                                          Please let me know, do you believe that alQuraan is the word of Allah and it is sent by Allah?
                                          If yes, then please answer me how Allah allows humans to insert something in His Book of guidance for the mankind?

                                          It is not clear what you are referring to here. We don;t have example of what from the Quran?

                                          You wrote something about mudhaaf , I need an example from alQuraan for the same.

                                          May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                          mmKhan

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