"And kneel with those who kneel"
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Peace,
As I have said before on this forum; the prostration act is not necessarily connected to religious elements but was a common very humble greeting you performed in respect to someone paying homage. Remnants of the greeting in daily practical use still exists as in Asia some people still bow their upper part of body to a 90 degree angle and even regular people often bow their head slightly towards others.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in doing the same to your Creator even if it feels you bow down/prostrate to empty air because God is unseen.
God bless you
Good going Man of faith.
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Meaning of sujud/sajada lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honour/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquily.
Meaning of ruku' bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head.
The problem that continually arises is that people only want to accept on definition or want a definitive answer on what it means. It's like people are just incapable or do not want to accept the fact that maybe you can perform sujud and ruku in more than one way!!
Why can't a person do either of the above mentioned things? Why does only one of the ways have to be right. Why can't I prostrate to god one day and salute god the next? If they both mean that i am performing 'sujud' then what is the problem?
If someone wants to physically prostrate then so be it. If someone wants to mentally prostrate then so be it. Their reward is with the one who created them.
Debating which is correct or which is of greater importance and is better is so trivial its sectarian!!
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Meaning of sujud/sajada lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honour/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquily.
Meaning of ruku' bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head.
The problem that continually arises is that people only want to accept on definition or want a definitive answer on what it means. It's like people are just incapable or do not want to accept the fact that maybe you can perform sujud and ruku in more than one way!!
Why can't a person do either of the above mentioned things? Why does only one of the ways have to be right. Why can't I prostrate to god one day and salute god the next? If they both mean that i am performing 'sujud' then what is the problem?
If someone wants to physically prostrate then so be it. If someone wants to mentally prostrate then so be it. Their reward is with the one who created them.
Debating which is correct or which is of greater importance and is better is so trivial its sectarian!!
Well said! I agree. We will move in the direction towards a consensus or fixed criteria that will turn us into a sect. It will be like the end of Islam in its golden age, all over again, free interpretation will be frowned upon.
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Debating which is correct or which is of greater importance and is better is so trivial its sectarian!!
Good points
(QS 423
"And those who have responded to their Lord, and they hold the contact prayer, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give."
This verse clearly said if we must did discussion with good way.
Plus verse 2177.
" Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels,and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who upholds the contact prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when
in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous"See, differences in fatwa and intepretation of Quran is not important in our Islam, and as long as we ijtihad on our faith, InshaAllah the reward is Jannah.
Salaam
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Peace Family,
So if people can do whatever sujud appeals to their fancies, what type of sujud
would you recommend for congregational prayer?You shall observe the Contact Prayers and give the obligatory charity and
bow down with those who bow down.All have a blessed ramadan
peace
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So if people can do whatever sujud appeals to their fancies, what type of sujud
would you recommend for congregational prayer?You shall observe the Contact Prayers and give the obligatory charity and
bow down with those who bow down.Peace hawk99.
Myself still intepretate ruku' and sujud as physical shalat.
Plus this is the verse about salat janaaza (funeral player) which is one of the reason I believe if salat is physical rites.984 And do not make the contact prayer for any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His
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Peace Family,
So if people can do whatever sujud appeals to their fancies, what type of sujud
would you recommend for congregational prayer?You shall observe the Contact Prayers and give the obligatory charity and
bow down with those who bow down.All have a blessed ramadan
peace
peace all,
a family is a congregation. each member in the family has to pray Allah individually for all their needs. believing Allah (prayer) that He will provide their every need and stand steadfast in their belief/prayer, with this stand they help each other starting the charity from their home. when Allah broadens their heart and if Allah wills, they can increase the charity beyond their home. to live in this path the family has to be humble to each other who are humble thereby first maintaining the peace at home. prayer is not a practice, but life itself, in the path of Quran. prayer is known only to Allah and the one who pray. this is how we started praying Allah.
in this way all the family of believers pray to Allah. this prayer unites all the humble believers wherever they are by Allah. this will not become a sect, because here everyone is an individual.
peace
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Peace DrGm,
A family can be part of or comprise a congregation, but a family is not a congregation.
fam?i?ly/f?mli, f?mli/ Show Spelled Show IPA noun, plural fam?i?lies, adjective
noun- a. a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group,
whether dwelling together or not the traditional family.
b. a social unit consisting of one or more adults together with the children they care
for a single-parent family.-
the children of one person or one couple collectively We want a large family.
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the spouse and children of one person We're taking the family on vacation
next week. -
any group of persons closely related by blood, as parents, children, uncles,
aunts, and cousins to marry into a socially prominent family. -
all those persons considered as descendants of a common progenitor.
World English Dictionary
congregation (kren)? n
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a group of persons gathered for worship, prayer, etc, esp in a church or chapel
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the act of congregating or collecting together
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a group of people, objects, etc, collected together; assemblage
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the group of persons habitually attending a given church, chapel, etc
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a. a society of persons who follow a common rule of life but who are bound only by simple vows
b. Also called dicastery an administrative subdivision of the papal curia
c. an administrative committee of bishops for arranging the business of a general council -
chiefly ( Brit ) an assembly of senior members of a university
May God reward you
peace
- a. a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group,
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Peace Hawk99,
Do we have to seek the help of dictionary or take a word in its literal sense always.
How about going by our common sense or conscience, leading to innate understanding by looking beyond. This kind of pondering will help us to make sense of any translation and interpretation whether it goes well with the truth in our hearts.-
A family consists of a "group of persons gathered together for worship" could be even at the dinner table - Thanksgiving Prayer.
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I think what DrGm is trying to say is If we are not humble at home first, which is where it matters first, how does it matter when we are humble to general public or is it we are acting outside and showing our true nature at home. We need to remember, charity begins at home.
For eg., I am rude/angry/mean to my husband but I go out and give alms to the poor.
I am accountable to God on the Judgement Day. He is closely watching me inside my heart also - He is All Knowing. I am destroying peace at home and I put on an act for the outside world that I am generous. Can I fool God?Gita
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Peace Earthdom,
Thanks for reminding me of that ayat (9/84), I completely forgot about it.
Free-minds is the place to be
peace
Wala tusalli AAala ahadinminhum mata abadan wala taqum AAala qabrihiinnahum kafaroo biAllahi warasoolihi wamatoowahum fasiqoona
Tahir ul Qadri
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Yousuf Ali Nor do thou ever pray for any of them that dies, nor stand at his grave; for they rejected Allah and His Messenger, and died in a state of perverse rebellion.
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Falamma raa aydiyahum latasilu ilayhi nakirahum waawjasa minhum kheefatan qaloola takhaf inna orsilna ila qawmi lootinTahir ul Qadri
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Yousuf Ali But when he saw their hands went not towards the (meal), he felt some mistrust of them, and conceived a fear of them. They said "Fear not We have been sent against the people of Lut."Only two ayahs where this word accurs and in one it means "pray" and in the other "reaching" isn't that weird!
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Peace Hawk99,
Do we have to seek the help of dictionary or take a word in its literal sense always.Peace wiselite,
Thank you for your reply, definitions are important it is the key to understanding any
language. You are right when you say a group can be a family. But to say a family
"is" becomes the definition of the word. If you notice I sometimes say "peace family"
when opening a post, referring to my family of believers. Therefore a family can be
understood to be a group with similar aspirations metaphorically.Peace 357,
You are right the two words appear to have the same root.
maybe someone can explain the difference between tusalli (pray)
in 9/84 and tasilu (reaching) in 11/70.Have a blessed ramadan
peace
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Only two ayahs where this word accurs and in one it means "pray" and in the other "reaching" isn't that weird!
It seems weird if one think both comes from the same root. But in fact the one in verse ,984 comes from the root word "Sa-La-Va", meaning to pray, but, in verse 1170, comes from the root word "Wa-Sa-La" meaning to touch, contact or reaching toward. They're derived from different root words with different meanings. Hope it is clear now.
Peace,
Khalil -
I remember reading about how salat and zakat were taught to Abraham and passed down through the generations, and how Allah promises in the Quran to preserve His signs. Does that include the preservation of salat since its clarification upon revelation of the Quran? While the details of salat are not mentioned, is salat still a "sign" from Allah and thus protected by Him?
So, has salat become corrupted (ie the five daily prayers of 2, 4, 4, 3, 4)?
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So, has salat become corrupted (ie the five daily prayers of 2, 4, 4, 3, 4)?
Salaat is to commemorate ALLAAH, swt, alone. See verse 2014 below among others.
Lo! I, even I, am Allah, There is no God save Me. So serve Me and establish worship for My remembrance.
So, as long as one does not commemorates anyone else but ALLAAH, swt, in his/her salaat, thus no corruption. He/she has followed The Qur'aan.
Peace,
Khalil -
Salaat is to commemorate ALLAAH, swt, alone. See verse 2014 below among others.
Lo! I, even I, am Allah, There is no God save Me. So serve Me and establish worship for My remembrance.
So, as long as one does not commemorates anyone else but ALLAAH, swt, in his/her salaat, thus no corruption. He/she has followed The Qur'aan.
Peace,
KhalilPeace,
Well said! Salat is all about establishing a connection to God. And glad you translated as serve and not worship, I do not like that translation bravo
God bless you
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Peace DrGm,
A family can be part of or comprise a congregation, but a family is not a congregation.
peace
peace hawk99,
a family is a test, in which each individual is unique, this represent the diversity of nations/community/groups in the world. so, it is a test for us how we live in the family with pride or humble. this family extension is the world.
828 - and know ye your possessions and your progeny are but a trial;
724 - descend, one of you a test unto the other;
peace
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The Lord of mankind provides the best examples. So i am reminded of the one where Moses tells his people that god commands them to sacrifice an animal.
And remember Moses said to his people "Allah commands that ye sacrifice a heifer."
They said "Makest thou a laughing-stock of us?"
He said "Allah save me from being an ignorant (fool)!"
They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!"
He said; "He says The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!"
They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour."
He said "He says A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is To us are all heifers alike We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."
He said "He says A heifer not trained to till the soil or water the fields; sound and without blemish."
They said "Now hast thou brought the truth." Then they offered her in sacrifice, but not with good-will.A simple command made hard - sound familiar???
Read it over and over and over and take heed of the message!!!
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So, has salat become corrupted (ie the five daily prayers of 2, 4, 4, 3, 4)?
There is no word raka'at in the Quran.It's innovation of Zoroartrian agents in the past who want destroy Islam from behind by create a fairy tales.
Just browsing about Zoroartrian in previous thread by using search tools. -
There is no word raka'at in the Quran.It's innovation of Zoroartrian agents in the past who want destroy Islam from behind by create a fairy tales.
Just browsing about Zoroartrian in previous thread by using search tools.Interesting
Blessed Ramadan to all!
peace