How can the God Alone movement advance?
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Dear Khaliq
Your question is " I wanted to talk about the whole movement; how do we grow? "
Ok. As we knew Quranist development is different each other by each region.So I will told you little about Quranist movement in my country.In Indonesia, Quranist labeled as "Ingkar Sunnah" or Sunnah rejector.
Quranist movement in Indonesia was risen and gaining it's pride during 1970-1980s, maybe same time with Rashad Khalifa's era.Some Quranist scholar's name was appeared such like Irham Surtanto, Dalimi Lubis, Nazwar Syamsu etc and even a Dutch orientalist named Snouck Hurgronje allegedly involved on this, but I don't know exactly.
At that period, the Quranist groups capable to spreading it's teaching by releasing books, dakwah in masjid, via radio and other medias.Unfortunately, some Islamic organization and NGOs include Indonesian ulema autharity (Majelis Ulama Indonesia), quickly responded and they tracked down all Quranist movements, and in the climax is the Quranist movement evectively shut down and and it's figures was given an ultimatum by Islamic autharity "Stop your movement or this problem will bring into the court".
The more worse is Indonesian Supreme Court (Mahkamah Agung Indonesia) release act KEP-169/J.A/9/1983 and KEP-059/J.A/3/1984 about freezing all Quranist movements and Majelis Ulama Indonesia also releasing a fatwa (16 Ramadhan 1403 H) if Quranist is haram.
Yeah after that Quranist's last remant did their dakwah by hiding.In 2012 a base of Quranist group named Yata'in (Yayasan Tauhid Indonesia) under dr Minardi Mursyid was bombed by Sunni criminals and it's suspect already bring into the court and unfortunately the Yata'in receive same fate with previous Quranist (.
Yes it's hard if we spreading something which different from original mainstream and yes I'm very happy if Quran Alone is spreading well in UK such like abang Farouk Peru's group.
Freedom of though is not forbidden in Indonesia, but sectarian conflict and illegal dogmatic is still happens in here.Ok I'm not told you about how we grow, because it's already answered well by another members.
Salaam
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Well, on the main website it has a poll, "How can the God Alone movement advance?"
I personally believe that it is important for Qur'an Alone Mosques to begin to appear. There are none that I know of in my local area and I live in quite a diverse area with a fair few mosques. I don't know of any in Birmingham (UK) either.I think you kind of mixing up between "God" and "Quran".
"God Alone" doesn't have to be "Quran Alone"/"Anti Hadiths", and "Quran Alone" doesn't mean "God Alone".There are people who think that "Quran" is a kind of "Perfect Being", "Not Man Made" and/or not even "A Creation".
That's totally different than "God Alone", from my POV those people are idolizing a book called Quran.Now about "Specific Mosque".
It's wrong to fight "Religion" by creating another "Religion".
Fighting "Sectarianism" by creating another "Sect".
Fighting "Occultism" by creating another "Cult".From my POV, the advancement of "God Alone" movement is in parallel to the advancement of "Critical thinking habits" of specific society. Which again according to my observation it's exponentially increasing world wide as we speak.
Critical thinking is a key skill to differentiate between truth and falsehood.
And what I mean by "critical thinking" is not only critical thinking of other people's idea but also critical thinking of their own idea.Another indicator is the amount of "Religiosity/Sectarianism" among specific society.
Which again according to my observation it's exponentially decreasing world wide as we speak, or to put it in another words "Secularism" is exponentially increasing world wide as we speak.
Leader of nearly all organized religion are already aware and alarmed by this 'Bad Trend' (for them), the entire organized religion industry is falling down. They face grim outlook on this sudden rise of "Infidelism" / "Kufurism" (using their own lingo..).Example
Religion Among Americans Hits Low Point, As More People Say They Have No Religious Affiliation
http//www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/religion-america-decline-low-no-affiliation-report_n_2867626.htmlThus in summary.. The All-Mighty God shall have His will fulfilled in the end..
And the True God doesn't need any help from any of His creation.. because He's "All Powerful" in the first place..You're merely an 'observer' of His Will being realized and seen as 'event' by your own very eyes..
Salam / Peace
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The All-Mighty God shall have His will fulfilled in the end..
And the True God doesn't need any help from any of His creation.. because He's "All Powerful" in the first place..You're merely an 'observer' of His Will being realized and seen as 'event' by your own very eyes..
Salam / Peace
peace Jafar,
very truthful quote.
peace
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We need to strengthen our own base. We need to come to agreements on topics and issues where we can. Where we cannot, then we must agree to disagree, present the different views and let the people decide what is best for them.
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We need to get professional.
I think we need a better website. Something professional - this one will not cut it.
We need to do what the LDS Church have done. Check out their website www.lds.org
We need to present ourselves as the real deal and not amateur.
- We need to start getting the message out there.
I suggest we advertise in local / national papers. Maybe a verse or two from AQ, a few words on the oneness of god and the link to this site / forum. We need to increase awareness.
- We need to also target youth and converts. I say forget the old guard, they won't change. The focus should be on the youth to make them question the ways of their parents and converts who are having problems or aren't very cosy with their muslim community.
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- We need to strengthen our own base. We need to come to agreements on topics and issues where we can. Where we cannot, then we must agree to disagree, present the different views and let the people decide what is best for them.
I think that'll be difficult.. but we def need to strengthen our own base and increase our knowledge about things.
People do present their different views here and it's up to people to decide their paths no-one enforces anything.
I guess everyone seems to take their own path which is probably why there is alot of fragmentation in the Quran following community..
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Establish congregations. We can't force people to acknowledge, but we can deliver God's words. There're already many Unitarian Churches in the US and UK, so we can talk to people in those churches about the Quran. If they're indeed monotheists, then they will have no problem accepting the Quran. I'd warn, that, Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) in the US is not really a Monotheist congregation. "There is no god except God" or anything similar is not in UUA's basic principle, and UUA blesses gay marriage while it's clear from both Bible and Quran that gay is a gross sin, though I acknowledge that there shouldn't be persecutions against gays, for they didn't really act against us or cause dangers in the society. Speaking in a more Christian voice, we love the sinners, for they may hear God's voice and repent, but we hate sins, since God has forbidden them.
Sorry for digressing for a while. What we can do to make God Alone movement advance is to make God's message available to more people. It's not our business whether they acknowledge or not. We should also be good servants of God ourselves, so others can see the difference between a Monotheist and a polytheist, and God's blessings on us. Hopefully, we can have Monotheists who become public celebrities, like Nobel Prize winners and Supreme Court Justices, more hopefully, US President. Perhaps we've already got some of them. They may help a lot in making God Alone movement advance, for their words will sound more "authoritative," so non-monotheists are more likely to consider what they say.
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Peace,
Below are milestones which needs to be reached before this movement can advance
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Consensus - The linguistic issues of Arabic need to be solved and a state of agreement on what Quran truly advocated. If a new lonely true Messenger of God emerged again would certainly help who could straighten up what disputes we have, but we might not be able to count on this considered how sparsely these are sent. Otherwise honest devoted research have to be conducted and people able to unite despite minor disagreements under the Monotheist banner.
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Organization - A major organization and local branches have to be established. Optimally it should work globally and be aware of the clear opposition such an organization would experience. A firm and strong Islamic movement could well trigger new wars such as those Muhammad faced according to Quran by those who are the enemies of God. Members need not to be afraid of death, but also not indulge in aggression but find the middleway.
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Leaders - Dedicated people who can be referred to and have a strong personality and influence. They need to become synonymous with this organization for a longer period and successors have to be prepared before the former leader(s) resign. Certainly they need to be of the caliber of a human Messenger of God almost, that many people will listen to then even across religious borders.
Sorry. I have no more time to write.
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Peace Zulf,
I know, but it is an important milestone I think /
God bless you
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Peace,
Below are milestones which needs to be reached before this movement can advance
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Consensus - The linguistic issues of Arabic need to be solved and a state of agreement on what Quran truly advocated. If a new lonely true Messenger of God emerged again would certainly help who could straighten up what disputes we have, but we might not be able to count on this considered how sparsely these are sent. Otherwise honest devoted research have to be conducted and people able to unite despite minor disagreements under the Monotheist banner.
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Organization - A major organization and local branches have to be established. Optimally it should work globally and be aware of the clear opposition such an organization would experience. A firm and strong Islamic movement could well trigger new wars such as those Muhammad faced according to Quran by those who are the enemies of God. Members need not to be afraid of death, but also not indulge in aggression but find the middleway.
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Leaders - Dedicated people who can be referred to and have a strong personality and influence. They need to become synonymous with this organization for a longer period and successors have to be prepared before the former leader(s) resign. Certainly they need to be of the caliber of a human Messenger of God almost, that many people will listen to then even across religious borders.
Sorry. I have no more time to write.
Won't these steps bring us closer to sectarianism? And what the sunnis have established today? If a consensus is made, then what about those who deviate from this consensus? If there already is a consensus, it is that Islam is not an organized religion.
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Peace,
It may sound like that, but if it is an organization following God alone then it is no sect. A sect has deviated from the main religious path and one dedicated to God alone has not. Muhammad and his people when he lived was also like an organization. It is nothing wrong with this kind of activity as long as it follows God's religion.
The organizational part which includes Sunni or Shia is not wrong, only what they stand for. Its purpose is to unite people. Not bring them apart. God's religion is not isolationist but about loving your neighbor and beyond. A goal is spreading God's word of peace and prosperity which it the ultimate aim.
There is only one Truth and this one Truth is what divides us. This is why I mentioned a Messenger because such one would clarify right from wrong.
God bless you
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Peace,
Spreading information can always be a good idea. The design is very important and if there is a link to an address on it, the rest of the paper has to catch their eyes so they are interested enough to go home and access the website.
Best is a combination of speech at the distribution site and handing out the leaflet. Speech is better because humans are lazy and the probability is higher that they would listen rather than read.
God bless you
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Salam guys, gals.
Administration and organisation is something I have experience in. I'm new here though and wouldn't be able to talk as well as you in matters of God and faith, but an organisation runs on many parts. I have experience organising people across multiple regions and countries, so i would offer my services if required.
I think there is always a chance an organisation will twist into a cult, that is why it needs proper definition but also recognise differences between members. Separating it into two parts one focusing on spreading a message and another that encompass all Muslims to talk about faith in study circles is the best way to avoid a sectarian lean.
Making it clear that membership isn't compulsory helps too.
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Advancing this so-called "movement" is not going to happen sitting on your butt and arguing about logical fallacies, self-righteously insulting others and discussing "what is salat" on a forum - which is an idle place - including this one. Also, creating a cult-like organization based on consensus and/or rituals is not a good idea.
Our job is to work righteousness, including warning people and charity.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpAx0jguf5U
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MFUgKbeXOg&t=10s
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F-BKegiUac
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiHe0wiCCvM
495 Those believers who sit back and are idle, except for a disability, are not equal in ranks to those who strive with their wealth and persons in the cause of God. God has granted a grade higher to those who strive with their wealth and persons than that granted to those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good to all believers, God has exalted with immense reward those who strive, above the ones who sit back and are idle.
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Peace progressive.
Your posts reflect what you say here, quote
Advancing this so-called "movement" is not going to happen sitting on your butt and arguing about logical fallacies, self-righteously insulting others and discussing "what is salat" on a forum - which is an idle place - including this one. Also, creating a cult-like organization based on consensus and/or rituals is not a good idea.
Please kindly lead by example, so others may follow.
GOD bless you.
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To advance the movement, I think one indeed needs to ackowledge where the concept of "Th? God" is going in the west. Typically influenced by anatt? egoless type teachings. Which makes it approximately ?cc?g for me.
And then you need non-biased translation of The Quran.
19?ers are influenced by Rashad Khalifa ego.
Sunnis are influenced by hadithism.
Christians are influenced by trinitarian dogma.So lets take some common expressions, and do them right
Allah has no C?partner
Jannah - Garden
Jahannam - Hellfurnace
Jinn - Flamedemon
Imam - Mentor
Nabi - Apostle
Alhamdulillah - Hailed Be Allah (The B?ss Of The Cosm?s, The Beneficient, The Highly Compassionate. He has no c?partner.)
Malaika - Angelos
Shaytan - Satanos
Rabb - B?ss
Munafiq - Twotimer
Mushrik - Idolworshipper
Firon - Ph?raoMisc knowledge of research -10000BC G?bekli Tepe is a hunting ground for idolworshipping jinn. (Not Adam, which was ca. -5200BC in Dispilio.)
Stonehenge seems be a site of Suleyman. He "had an ifrit present" states The QuranThe Prayer
"In Allahs name, The Beneficient, The Highly Compassionate.
Hailed Be Allah, The B?ss Of The Cosm?s, The Beneficient, The Highly Compassionate.
Guarder of The Day of Judgement.
You only we worship, and you only we beg for help.
Lead us on the way that is good, the way to those favours are given, and not anger given, nor astrayness."And ofcourse, No hypocritical Bukhari, or stoned Tirmidhi of hadithers.
Peaceful Salutations.