What is Islam?
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Alhamdu -> All praises and thanks -> for what? -> how? -> prostrate to Adam (who? - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">7172</a>
-> deen -> dayn -> creation is our "debt" -> debt settlementWhat is good or bad?
The pleasure of healthiness are to those who are sick/disabled
The pleasure of prettiness are to those who are ugly
The pleasure of intellect are to those who are silly
The pleasure of hearing are to those who are deaf
The pleasure of talking are to those who are dumb
The pleasure of vision are to those who are blind
The pleasure of being rich are to those who are poor
The pleasure of eating are to those who are starving
and so on...
and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a>.Why are there so many species of bacteria?
Why is there so many dust?
Why do we sweat?
and so as all other problems we are facing today.
Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).
except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they.
(<a href="http//quran.com/38/24">3824</a>Say, "It is He who has produced you
and made for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful."
(<a href="http//quran.com/67/23">6723</a>
(description not necessarily related to the Qur'an)And when your Lord proclaimed
'If you are grateful
I will surely increase you
but if you deny
indeed, My punishment is severe.'
(<a href="http//quran.com/14/7">147</a>Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people
until they change what is in themselves
(<a href="http//quran.com/13/11-106">1311</a> -
He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
of the Din (l-dni)An example of deen
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Islamic Aid
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The Story of Islamic Aid
by Mahmood Hassan, Founder and Chairman of Islamic AidI was born and brought up in some of the most deprived areas of Pakistan. During my childhood, I once lived with my grandparents in village 114/15-L, near Mianchannun. My village did not have a school. Each morning I set off on my journey to a neighbouring village so I could go to school. Aged only eight years I walked more than 7km every day so I could receive an education. There were no roads at all ? just a dirt track. The landscape was baron ? and not the green backdrop which is there today. My journey to and from school.
Not only was the journey hot and dusty, it was filled with fear. At such a young age I had no idea who ? or what ? I would encounter on the way to school, something, I believe, no child should encounter, something that has stayed with me 36 years on, something I do not want other children to encounter.
But I was one of the lucky ones; while not from a very rich family we were not steeped in poverty. I was able to do extremely well in my studies; always secured top positions and won Gold Medals, merit scholarships in almost all my exams.
This was in MBA from Bahauddin Zakariya University, Multan that I secured first position throughout the university and won Gold Medal and Government of Pakistan merit scholarship for studies abroad, that enabled me to come to the UK for studies. I did my MBA from Imperial College, University of London. I initially worked as a lecturer in Marketing and Strategic Management at the same university and later in the commercial sector.
It was in 1993-94, during the Bosnian crisis, that I became interested in charities working for the cause at that time. This then led me to initially volunteer and later work in the sector for a few years.
Beginnings of Islamic Aid
When I started my own business in 1998 and felt settled, I knew I wanted to give something back to my community. I knew I didn?t want others to face the same hardships I had, not to face the same fears I did on my long journey to school ? and on the way home. I started a school in my village to help provide children quality education, free of fear and on their door-step. It was here that the seeds of Islamic Aid were sown, a charity that has gone from strength to strength, helping tens of thousands of children in parts of Asia, Africa and Europe access quality education, health-care and the skills and means to their parents so they can earn a decent living. First school I established in my village.
I established Islamic Aid in 2000. I wanted to use my business expertise and experience of the charity sector to give something back to the community I had once belonged.
Yet during the charity?s infancy of its first year, the world watched in horror as we saw terrorist attacks in New York, where families were devastated as people lost their lives in the twin tower attacks.
Understandably, this was a difficult time for Muslim charities ? both established and new ? as the media and public began to question why they existed. Such charities were viewed with suspicion as people questioned what activities they may be funding.
For me personally, things did not end there. As the twin-towers collapsed so did one of my major business projects; that was set to be launched in November 2001 to offer Islamic banking in the UK and internationally. From the position of having a very robust business plan, very supportive business partnerships and venture capital in place and a forecast of more than ?500 million under management in 4th year, I saw everything melted away in the tide of opinion against anything Islamic. While it was a big disaster for me and my business, for Islamic Aid it probably was a major turning point that I was able to give my increased attention to the charity.
While internationally it was very difficult time to run a charity with Islamic name, but it made me more determined to succeed and to show the importance of helping poor communities, many of whom had little idea of what the world may be thinking.
Today, alhamdullilah, I have my own successful business; Islamic Aid is growing very fast ? already achieved an annual turnover of ?3.3 million and recruited 67,000 donors; have established Islamic Aid in the US and we continue to expand our support to projects in parts of Africa, Asia and Europe. These successes also enabled me to support as a Trustee the cause of poverty alleviation through other charities like Practical Action, (www.practicalaction.org) and Pakistan Foundation. And, I want every child in the world to be successful.
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Minor Major
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100% Obedience Towards human unityWhy human unity is of primary importance to achieve the objective of "Successorship"?
Proof?
Because on the matter of earth and creation
Allah commands the angels and Iblees to prostrate to Adam (human - successorship)
Both are prostrating to Allah.Elements
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Allah's command
(The objective of Allah's command in its context is related to the importance of successorship.
So as the Qur'an, where almost the whole content is about humanity and other living creatures
on earth; ie. successorship. The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.) -
Adam (human - successorship)
Facts
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Angels prostrate to human (successorship) -> Representing the Believers
(Initially they question Allah's command - 2.30) -
Iblees refused to prostrate to successorship -> Representing the Disbelievers
"..Iblees. He refused
and was arrogant
and became of the disbelievers.." (2.34)
Compared to today's world, which category we belongs to?
ie. where more than 90% or 100% is about Allah and less than 10% about humanity as a whole.What does Adam represent?
Human ... all of us and regardless of religion, background, caste, race, socio-economic background etc.
And when your Lord
took from the children of Adam
from their loins
their descendants
and made them testify of themselves
, "Am I not your Lord?"
They said, "Yes, we have testified."- lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
"Indeed, we were of this unaware"
(7172)
Conclusion
The objective is not about Allah, and no one knows what is Allah,
"..Nor is there to Him any equivalent.." (112.4)The importance of obedience to Allah is primarily relevant to the matter of achieving human unity.
Hablum Minallah towards achieving Hablum Minannas
as a whole and this is the Deen of Islam (vs. Religion of Islam -> Allah Alone for our salvation).+----------------------------------+
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100% Obedience -> -> -> Towards human unity
(Theoretical) (Practicality)The Qur'an Alone or Allah Alone is no use for our salvation...
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Facts comparison
Argument
What is good or bad?
...
and so on...
and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a>.Why are there so many species of bacteria?
Why is there so many dust?
Why do we sweat?
and so as all other problems we are facing today.
Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).
Example
The Story of Islamic Aid
by Mahmood Hassan, Founder and Chairman of Islamic AidI was born and brought up in some of the most deprived areas of Pakistan. During my childhood, I once lived with my grandparents in village 114/15-L, near Mianchannun. My village did not have a school. Each morning I set off on my journey to a neighbouring village so I could go to school. Aged only eight years I walked more than 7km every day so I could receive an education. There were no roads at all ? just a dirt track. The landscape was baron ? and not the green backdrop which is there today. My journey to and from school.
Not only was the journey hot and dusty, it was filled with fear. At such a young age I had no idea who ? or what ? I would encounter on the way to school, something, I believe, no child should encounter, something that has stayed with me 36 years on, something I do not want other children to encounter.
Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"
I want every child in the world to be successful.
Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam
Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance
The example of those
who were entrusted with the Torah
and then did not take it on
is like that
of a donkey
who carries volumes
Wretched is the example of the people
who deny
the signs of Allah
And Allah does not guide
the wrongdoing people
(625)Say, "It is He who has produced you
and made for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful."
(6723)Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?
The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?
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Facts comparison
Argument
Example
Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"
Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam
Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance
The example of those
who were entrusted with the Torah
and then did not take it on
is like that
of a donkey
who carries volumes
Wretched is the example of the people
who deny
the signs of Allah
And Allah does not guide
the wrongdoing people
(625)Say, "It is He who has produced you
and made for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful."
(6723)Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?
The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?
Peace Brother,
Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.
Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.
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Peace Brother,
Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.
Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.
Salam jhonsonmustafa,
No offense intended, but I don't quite understand what is your point.
Peace brother.
What is wrong with "benefiting humanity" or even a "group to benefit humanity"?
There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".
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what is islam?
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htmQuite simply, it is a book all about us, discussing our creation, purpose, history, spirituality, psyche, life's big questions, justice, governance etc. It is a guide on how to realise our potential, individually and collectively, if one chooses to seek this path; http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm
Thanks
(The objective of Allah's command in its context is related to the importance of successorship.
So as the Qur'an, where almost the whole content is about humanity and other living creatures
on earth; ie. successorship. The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.) -
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">Pleasure</a> appears good but we cannot ignore reasoning about what is really good; according to the Qur'an - "I know that which you do not know" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a>.
For the above reason we are able to say that there is a deep connection between "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">pleasure</a>" (from good or bad) and the Qur'an. The understanding of this connection depends entirely on our ability to understand life as explained in the Qur'an ... to understand the Qur'an objectively, i.e. successorship and towards human unity (Adam).
Say He has power to send torment on you
from above
or from under your feet
or to cover you with confusion in party strife
and make you to taste
the violence of one another <- against unity
See how variously We explain the Ayat
so that they may understand.
(<a href="http//quran.com/6/65">665</a>Thus it is reasonable to claim our life is the "Dictionary" for the Qur'an and it requires fulfillment of certain conditions before we are able to use our dictionary. It requires us to shut off the "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335263#msg335263">gods and ulemas inside us</a>" (shirk).
Have you seen
he who has taken as his god his desire
and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge
and has set a seal
upon his hearing
and his heart
and put over his vision a veil?
So who will guide him after Allah?
Then will you not be reminded?
(<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a>Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN.
In a protected Book. <- Dictionary -> our life experiences
None can grasp it
except
those purified (<a href="http//quran.com/9/28">from polytheism</a>
(<a href="http//quran.com/56/77-79">5677-79</a>The ability to shut off the gods and ulemas inside ourselves depends on "Spiritual", Spirit and Ritual.
Spirit the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
Ritual a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according
to a prescribed order.So much so that our physical bodies need foods to survive, "Spiritual" is the foods for our souls.
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The Flow of Ideas
Basically, Shirk relates to "ideas" that are inconsistent and against the ideas in the Qur'an. It is the "gods and ulamas inside ourselves" that count. Nothing can harm our relationship with Allah if we are not accepting these inconsistent "ideas" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a>.
Consequence Self Acceptance Human Ideas Self Action (Conduct)
vs. Qur'an IdeasNo Shirk <- Internal Self <- Consistent <- Prophet Sulaiman build statues
(Acceptance) Ideas for communication (<a href="http//quran.com/34/10-16">3410-16</a>Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Stone as God
(Acceptance) IdeasShirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Fire as God
(Acceptance) IdeasShirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Shiva as God
(Acceptance) IdeasShirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Jesus as God
(Acceptance) IdeasShirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Follow the Ulama (Arbab)
(Acceptance) Ideas (<a href="http//quran.com/3/150">3150</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/3/64">364</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/17/56-57">1756-57</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/23/47">2347</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/40/29">4029</a>
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Gods & Ulamas (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a>
(Personal Adviser)
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Level for Determination
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"..Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body.." (<a href="http//quran.com/33/4">334</a>
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HeartTherefore, the gods and ulamas are within ourselves. It is the "ideas" that are inconsistent with the Qur'anic Ideas.
Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?
For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.
Do the people think
that they will be left to say,
"We believe"
and they will not be tried?But We have certainly tried those before them
and Allah will surely make evident
those who are truthful
and He will surely make evident
the liarsOr do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
Evil is what they judge
(<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a> -
Islam For Dummies (With Chart)
The Flow of Ideas
Continue from <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">1</a> and <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">2</a>http//s16.postimg.org/h375brtmt/venns.png
Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..
It is "Islam"
It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent
- Buddha is promoting just and balance (water)
- Christian is promoting just and balance (air)
- Hindu is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Sunni religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Shia religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Judaism is promoting just and balance (earth)
- Atheism is promoting just and balance (water)
- Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance
Nonetheless, what went wrong?
Why these religions disregarding the element of "just and balance" in other religion?
It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.
Striving what is "just and balance" to their personal religion, and not as a whole..
Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
...
Based on the above, all of them are right.. but only to certain extent. -
Example of Quranic Ideas
The truth is from your Lord
so never be among the doubters
(<a href="http//quran.com/2/147">2147</a>And We have certainly made the Qur'an
easy for remembrance
so is there any who will remember?
(<a href="http//quran.com/54/17">5417</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/22">5422</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/32">5432</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/40">5440</a>Alif, Lam, Ra
a Book whose verses are perfected
and then presented in detail
from Wise and Acquainted
(<a href="http//quran.com/11/1">111</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/45/11">4511</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/10/37">1037</a>1037(<a href="http//quran.com/7/52">752</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/7/174">7174</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/6/55">655</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/6/114">6114</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/6/126">6126</a>(<a href="http//quran.com/6/119">6119</a>Turning to Him
and be careful of (your duty to) Him
and keep up prayer
and be not of the polytheists
Of those who
divided their religion
and became seas
every sect rejoicing
in what they had with them
(<a href="http//quran.com/30/31-32">3031-32</a>O you who believe!
DO NOT put questions
about things
which if declared to you
may trouble you
and if you question about them
when the Quran is being revealed
they shall be declared to you
Allah pardons this
and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a>How far we are able to control the flow of these ideas in ourselves?
We can't, unless we are able to cleanse our nafs, mind (subconscious), heart and reprogram it according to the Qur'an. Therefore, this requires <a href="http//quran.com/13/28">spirituality</a> and an obedience to Allah. It requires us to observe the <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335603#msg335603">"DO NOT" prohibition</a>. It requires total submission, i.e. Islam. It is Allah who will help us to control these ideas and saves us from Shirk.
Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. (<a href="http//quran.com/1/5">15</a>
Serve to Allah comes first (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335266#msg335266">Islam - obedience</a>.
Only then... Allah will help us.They think that they lay you under an obligation
by becoming Muslims
Say Lay me not under obligation by your Islam
rather Allah lays you under an obligation
by guiding you to the faith
if you are truthful
(<a href="http//quran.com/49/17">4917</a>Is not Allah sufficient for His servant?
And they seek to frighten you with those besides Him
and whomsoever Allah makes err
there is no guide for him
(<a href="http//quran.com/39/36">3936</a>And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub
O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith
therefore die not
unless you are Muslims
(<a href="http//quran.com/2/132">2132</a> -
Islam For Dummies (With Chart)
The ideas of peace, harmony and unity in the society.
The ideas of benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives.
God commands
justice
CREATING BALANCE
in the societybenefiting
humanitykindness
to His creationand giving
to relatives(1690)
A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".
When Being Wrong Is Right
And when We said to the angels
Make obeisance to Adam
they did obeisance <- <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335256#msg335256">Associating Allah with Adam</a>
but Iblis (did it not). <- <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">Prostrate to Allah Alone - God Alone Concept</a>
He refused
and he was proud
and he was one of the unbelievers
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- The importance of Spirituality (water) & Communication/Humanism (Air) Salt water oceans make up 71% of the Earth?s surface. However, it should exceed 71% if it includes the freshwater lakes and glaciers that cover the Earth?s surface. The air is everywhere and takes up space. These indicate the importance of spirituality and communication or humanism in our life.
The core of the Earth is fire (religion/God Alone ideas etc.) and relates to the following concept, "Mind our own business" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a>. This because if we are giving primary importance to the fire elements, it will burn this whole world down. War and hatred etc., and soon there will be no living creatures on Earth.
Life Purpose
(our test)
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Theoretical Practicality
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Minor Major
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100% Obedience-> -> -> -> ->Towards human unity
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Mind our own business No Compulsion
(only ourselves*) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a>
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a> (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">2256</a>
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"DO NOT ask" Just and Balance etc.
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a> (<a href="http//quran.com/16/90">1690</a>
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as simplified as possibleMain issue for every Muslim.
In case following the Sunnatullah is the right way
please show in logical ways from the Quran- How to follow the Sunnatullah without disobeying other terms in the Quran
- How to extract and apply the "system" of Sunnnatullah ("just and balance" in "ourselves".
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Salam Bender,
Sorry for interrupting
Salaamun alayka,
I thought you were finished talking with me or did I misunderstood your last comment to me hmm
but you are comparing Allah with Adam in a same category,
really? hmm I did not notice that.
Can you please quote that post of mine where I did that, and give the specific part a red color so that I can see it myself.and I just wondering where does it say in the Qur'an that Allah belongs to the category of a "Successor"?
This is so since this category or the word successor indicates that Allah "inherits" His authority or He can be replaced or substituted.
Did you actually understood what I was saying?
Salaam,
Bender -
Salam Bender,
I thought you were finished talking with me or did I misunderstood your last comment to me hmm
Do you have a verse for this statement?
Do you understand what is Asma Ul Husna?
The 99 names of God or 99 names of Allah (Arabic asm allh al-usnā
are the Names of God
by which Muslims regard God (Allah)
and which are described in the Qur'an
and Sunnah
amongst other places
(<a href="http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam">Wikipedia Names of God in Islam</a><a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">Proof that you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna and thought the names are solely from the Qur'an.</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335623#msg335623">(2)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335626#msg335626">(3)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335644#msg335644">(4)</a> and the following statement.
My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa. In The Quran it is NEVER referred to Allah
Our discussion
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335654#msg335654">1. Main Issue</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">2. Diversion</a> RED Clear proof you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna.
No answer and divert to a different issue.
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335734#msg335734">3. Explanation on the Asma Ul Husna. </a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335798#msg335798">4. More diversion from the actual issue.</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335800#msg335800">5. Waste of time. </a>No logical argument but just a matter of wanting to be right and superior to others,
without any logical reason or understanding of Asma Ul Husna.really? hmm I did not notice that.
Can you please quote that post of mine where I did that, and give the specific part a red color so that I can see it myself."a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?You are raising the issue of whether "a successor" or "My successor" "can succeed Allah".
This is a comparison of Allah in the same category with human, and on the issue of successorship.
Have I missed something?
Please explain.
Did you actually understood what I was saying?
Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a>?
There is no issue who can succeed Allah.
It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.
I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a>. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.
Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?
Have I missed something?
Please explain.
Peace brother.
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Salam Bender,
Do you understand what is Asma Ul Husna?
The 99 names of God or 99 names of Allah (Arabic asm allh al-usnā
are the Names of God
by which Muslims regard God (Allah)
and which are described in the Qur'an
and Sunnah
amongst other places
(<a href="http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam">Wikipedia Names of God in Islam</a><a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">Proof that you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna and thought the names are solely from the Qur'an.</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335623#msg335623">(2)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335626#msg335626">(3)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335644#msg335644">(4)</a> and the following statement.
Salaamun alayka,
Are you seriously directing me to wiki and ahadith of Bukharie & Co to make me understand what AlAsma AlHusna are?
I think you are in the wrong forum or at least I am the wrong person for that kind of proofs.Our discussion
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335654#msg335654">1. Main Issue</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">2. Diversion</a> RED Clear proof you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna.
No answer and divert to a different issue.
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335734#msg335734">3. Explanation on the Asma Ul Husna. </a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335798#msg335798">4. More diversion from the actual issue.</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335800#msg335800">5. Waste of time. </a>No logical argument but just a matter of wanting to be right and superior to others,
without any logical reason or understanding of Asma Ul Husna.seriously I don't know what to say, so I just -X
You are raising the issue of whether "a successor" or "My successor" "can succeed Allah".
This is a comparison of Allah in the same category with human, and on the issue of successorship.
Have I missed something?
Please explain.
You put words in my mouth and then I have to explain myself for that hmm
Maybe it's an option for you to do some exercises in comprehensive reading.
Or maybe it is me who has to do some exercises in comprehensive writing.Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a>?
There is no issue who can succeed Allah.
It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.
Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?
Have I missed something?
Please explain.
Maybe it is better for you to read my discussion with drfazl first, just an option.
Peace brother.
Salaam,
Bender -
Salaamun alayka,
Are you seriously directing me to wiki and ahadith of Bukharie & Co to make me understand what AlAsma AlHusna are?
I think you are in the wrong forum or at least I am the wrong person for that kind of proofs.seriously I don't know what to say, so I just -X
You put words in my mouth and then I have to explain myself for that hmm
Maybe it's an option for you to do some exercises in comprehensive reading.
Or maybe it is me who has to do some exercises in comprehensive writing.Maybe it is better for you to read my discussion with drfazl first, just an option.
Salaam,
BenderSalam Bender,
It's okay ... you win.
There are no explanations or facts, and I'm not interested in further discussion unless you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna" and a "successor".
Peace brother.
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Salam Bender,
It's okay ... you win.
I'm not interested in further discussion unless you are able to understand what is "Asma Ul Husna" and a "successor".
Peace brother.
Salaamun alayka,
2 questions if you don't mind
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Do you take Wiki and the hadiths of Bukharie & Co as evidence to prove something about Allah?
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Did you read the discussion between me and drfazl earlier in this thread about khalifa?
salaam,
Bender -
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Salaamun alayka,
2 questions if you don't mind
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Do you take Wiki and the hadiths of Bukharie & Co as evidence to prove something about Allah?
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Did you read the discussion between me and drfazl earlier in this thread about khalifa?
salaam,
BenderSalam Bender,
I have given you my reference and release my burden of proof.
Now the question, do you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna"?
What is your reference to refute the definition?
Do you mind, are you a born Muslim or converted?
Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?
I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah".
Peace brother.
Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (ل
Salaamun alayka,
Do you have a verse for this statement?
Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.
As I said, the "asma ul husna"
It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an
My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa.
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Salam Bender,
I have given you my reference and release my burden of proof.
Now the question, do you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna"?
Salaamun alayka,
Alhamdullillah, I believe Allah give me enough knowledge to understand what AlAsma AlHusna are.
What is your reference to refute the definition?
If you mean to refute the traditional 99 names, then my reference is ofcourse The Quran, what else?
Do you mind, are you a born Muslim or converted?
I do not understand what you mean with Muslim? Do you mean born in a sunni/shia country? If so yes I was born in Morocco.
Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?
where did I say that you did that? hmm
I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah".
I will give it a last try.
"Who can succeed Allah?" was a rhetorical question in case you did not understood that.
My whole point in the discussion with drfazl is that Allah has NO khalifa.
230 says He will place a successor on earth, NOT His successor nope BUT A successor yes.
Because 230 and other verses NEVER say MY successor, it is for sure it is not a successor who succeeds Allah, but a successor who succeeds something/one else.
THUS not related to Allah.InshaAllah it is now also clear for you what I meant.
Peace brother.
Salaam,
Bender
