What is Islam?
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peace,
Allah is "0" - cannot be seen / beyond knowledge
creation is "1" - can be seen / within knowledge
Salam DrGm,
So you are saying creation is "within knowledge"
and Allah is not within our knowledge.
Whatever within our knowledge is "1"
Therefore, Allah is "0" .. and Creation is "1"
The question...
What is existence?
How do you know you exist?
Can you prove to me your existence?
Peace.
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Salam DrGm,
So you are saying creation is "within knowledge"
and Allah is not within our knowledge.
Therefore, Allah is "0" .. and Creation is "1"
The question...
How do you know you exist?
Peace.
peace,
- i believe.
- creation can be seen. so you ask How do you know you exist? this is within knowledge.
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peace,
- i believe.
- creation can be seen. so you ask How do you know you exist? this is within knowledge.
Salam DrGm,
What you have seen, is what have been interpreted by your "eyes", "senses" and "mind".
Internal vs. External, and this is not proof since your external image merely existed in your internal interpretation of self. It is only what you have seen (external) in your mind (internal). The whole world and creation is only existed in your mind. It is an image in your mind, the same way we are watching television.
Similarly, how do you know your "eyes" and "mind" exist?
Please prove to me that it is within your knowledge, that you exist, that you are "1".
Peace.
p/s more explanation, watch <a href="http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y">Perception - The reality beyond matter</a>
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peace,
when u ask a question to others / outside u then it is division. each division is one. meaning different, not same.
when u ask question to self. then it is one, existence
Salam DrGm,
Sorry, you have to explain further. I cannot fully understand your explanation.
My point is you are saying Allah is "0" and creations are "1" because it is within our knowledge that we're exist. Therefore, the issue for existence is "within our knowledge", and thus, I'm asking you to prove your existence, to prove what you've called a reality; ie. Creations are "1".
You then said it is because what we have seen, through our senses and mind. This is not proof, because the whole world and what we have seen is only an "image in our mind" (internal), what have been interpreted by our "senses and mind", whereas proof for existence is something that are "external from our mind".
Similarly, we can disregard everything and discuss on one single definition, ie. based on the definition that all matter is made up of tiny particles called atoms. Therefore, can you prove that it is within our knowledge that atomic particle or space exist? That it's existence not merely an image in our mind (internal), or interpretation of our brain (atoms) from the input of our senses.
Therefore, please provide proof that it is within your knowledge that your eyes and brain exist.
Peace.
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peace,
My point is you are saying Allah is "0" and creations are "1" because it is within our knowledge that we're exist. Therefore, the issue for existence is "within our knowledge", and thus, I'm asking you to prove your existence, to prove what you've called realities; ie. Creations are "1".
when i said 'within knowledge; you deduced as existence.
so, existence is which can be seen and is within knowledge. all knowledge / which can be seen by our senses is perishable by a time-frame. all which can be seen/figure is "1" that is perishable. because it is perishable, it is not true.
all creation starts from "0" (1967). when it is created it is "1" and then there are many ones except the One "0" that cannot be defined by your knowledge i.e., beyond knowledge.
present is reality; past is dead, knowledge is past. proving reality is no need; proving dead has no use. what is prove?
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And when your Lord said to the angels
"Indeed, I will make upon the earth
a successive authority" <-- Purpose of creation - Khalif (Manager)They said
"Will You place upon it one
who causes corruption therein <-- Khalif - To manage the earth and in these kind of situations.
and sheds blood
while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?"Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know" <-- Creation is "0"
And He taught Adam <-- Knowledge of the Unseen? (see below)
the names<-- It is unreasonable to interpret that Allah teaches Adam the name of animals,
all of them insects, mosquitoes etc. The angels already knew these names.
Then He showed them to the angels and said
"Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful"They said
"Exalted are You
we have no knowledge
except what You have taught us
Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise."He said
"O Adam, inform them of their names"
And when he had informed them of their names, He said
"Did I not tell you
that I know the unseen <-- Knowledge of the Unseen? Allah's names & Sunnatullah?
of the heavens and the earth?
And I know what you reveal
and what you have concealed"And when We said to the angels
"Prostrate before Adam" <-- Prostrate to Adam or his function/knowledge of just & balance?
so they prostrated His Objective. Functional definition? Obviously Adam is not god.
except for Iblees <-- Iblees claim he has better knowledge?
He refused
and was arrogant
and became of the disbelieversAnd We said
"O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise
and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will
But DO NOT approach this tree <-- The Sunnatullah?
lest you be among the wrongdoers"But Satan caused them to slip out of it <-- Breach of Sunnatullah
and removed them from that
in which they had beenAnd We said <-- Consequence of breaching the Sunnatullah
"Go down,
as enemies to one another <-- Problem. Call for Khalif's function & knowledge.
and you will have upon the earth
a place of settlement
and provision for a time."Then Adam received from his Lord
words <-- Improve self.
and He accepted his repentance
Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance
the Merciful.We said
"Go down from it
all of you
And when guidance comes to you from Me <-- Solution. Follow the Prophet or his knowledge?
whoever follows Dayn - Debt - Duty - Compliance with Sunnatullah
My guidance <-- The Qur'an, Just and Balance
there will be no fear concerning them
nor will they grieveAnd those who disbelieve
and deny Our signs <-- Obedience or disobedience? "DO NOT" prohibition
those will be companions of the Fire
they will abide therein eternally."(<a href="http//quran.com/2/30-39">230-39</a>
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peace,
when i said 'within knowledge; you deduced as existence.so, existence is which can be seen and is within knowledge. all knowledge / which can be seen by our senses is perishable by a time-frame. all which can be seen/figure is "1" that is perishable. because it is perishable, it is not true.
all creation starts from "0" (1967). when it is created it is "1" and then there are many ones except the One "0" that cannot be defined by your knowledge i.e., beyond knowledge.
present is reality; past is dead, knowledge is past. proving reality is no need; proving dead has no use. what is prove?
Salam DrGm,
We can never find out the answer
unless you can back up your argument by proving your existence
and even to the level of atomic particlesSomething that is not merely existed from the "image and interpretation of our mind".
(lesson from dreaming during our sleep - it is not reality)If you cannot prove, then that's what Allah said
"I know that which you do not know"
So human must stop making decisions in the name of Allah (<a href="http//quran.com/10/39">1039</a>
And they need to follow Allah's command, the guidance...
Even if it is an order to prostrate to any other than Allah.
Only then will Allah guide us to reality .. the truth on the issue,
as what you've said, Allah is "0", we are "1" after being created, and there are many ones.
On my part, Allah is "1", we are "0" because we cannot prove our own existence or matter..
much or less equal to our dreams .. and in search for the reality .. according to Allah's guidance (<a href="http//quran.com/2/18">218</a>.
Peace.
Say "He is Allah, One. (<a href="http//quran.com/112/1">1121</a>
He begets not, nor was He begotten. (<a href="http//quran.com/112/3">1123</a>
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Salam DrGm,
We can never find out the answer
unless you can back up your argument by proving your existence
and even to the level of atomic particlespeace,
i have no arguments. you said creation is "0". for me it is from "0". meaning -which we do not know is with Allah. unless HE reveals /creates we will not know it. that which is known is knowledge. purpose of this knowledge is to use /benefit good and get away/ avoid from bad.
when i see a object, i will say there is "1", now i need knowledge to use it. this knowledge has to be taught from Allah.
when i not see then i will say there is nothing "0". to me from nothing He creates and this creation is 1.
said this, i really don't know what/why you want me to prove my existence. what way that will help you. is that anyway going to improve my understanding of what you say. in that case answer from your perspective, i will try to understand.
i really have no arguments. arguments will not yield. unless Allah teach us.
peace.
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Salam DrGm,
Even if it is an order to prostrate to any other than Allah.
peace,
Allah's words are taken as orders only by believers. Allah orders to obey Him and the message of His prophets/messengers. again the message is Allah's words. then prostrating is only to Allah.
peace
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Salam DrGm,
as what you've said, Allah is "0", we are "1" after being created, and there are many ones.
On my part, Allah is "1", we are "0" because we cannot prove our own existence or matter..
much or less equal to our dreams ..
peace,
i did not mean there is many Allah or Allah is nothing.
i mean Allah creates from "0". '0' meant by me as beyond knowledge.
proving existence to other human is not there/ necessary, proving as models in the straight-path of Allah is there/necessary.
peace.
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peace,
Allah's words are taken as orders only by believers. Allah orders to obey Him and the message of His prophets/messengers. again the message is Allah's words. then prostrating is only to Allah.
peace
And when We said to the angels
"Prostrate before Adam" <-- Prostrate to Adam or his function/knowledge of just & balance?
so they prostrated His Objective. Functional definition? Obviously Adam is not god.
except for Iblees <-- Iblees claim he has better knowledge?
He refused
and was arrogant
and became of the disbelieversSalam DrGm,
When Allah ordered the angels to prostrate to Adam
Allah does not mean to admire his physical attributes
but the knowledge he acquired from Allah, the "Knowledge of the Unseen"
I believe it is the knowledge of "Just and Balance"
The Sunnatullah and Allah's names
It is self evident in the universe and all living creatures, including the Qur'an
Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..
It is "Islam"
It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent
- Buddha is promoting just and balance (water)
- Christian is promoting just and balance (air)
- Hindu is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Sunni religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Shia religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Judaism is promoting just and balance (earth)
- Atheism is promoting just and balance (water)
- Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance
Nonetheless, what went wrong?
Why these religions disregarding the element of "just and balance" in other religion?
It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.
Striving what is "just and balance" to their personal religion, and not as a whole..
Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
This what we should be doing.
http//s16.postimg.org/805wdizsj/Islam.png
However, this is what we are doing today.
Standing up on "what is right or wrong on each separate elements".
Fire Based Religion Hinduism, Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, Khawarij Islam etc.
Air Based Religion Christianity, Da'wah Islam, Political Islam etc.
Water Based Religion Buddhism, Atheism, Sufi Islam, Tasawwuf, Educational Islam etc.
Earth Based Religion Judaism, Quranism Islam, Wahabi Islam etc.
Therefore, can we say any of the above religions is "Din of Islam"?
Nope, it is a religion.
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)Based on the above, all of them are right.. but only to certain extent.
Peace.
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Salaam,
What someone meant was that by using an allegory with computer language is that God and His domain is set in an .ini file to Visible = 0, while the physical world as we see it is Visible = 1, as we perceive it if this would be a game world.
It was probably a hypothetical statement and it did not regard whether what we see is just from our imagination or not. No matter what, we see what we see and it is visible. God and His angels/controllers are not normally visible however and thus they would have no visible configuration in this game plot.
God bless you
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peace,
i have no arguments. you said creation is "0". for me it is from "0". meaning -which we do not know is with Allah. unless HE reveals /creates we will not know it. that which is known is knowledge. purpose of this knowledge is to use /benefit good and get away/ avoid from bad.
when i see a object, i will say there is "1", now i need knowledge to use it. this knowledge has to be taught from Allah.
when i not see then i will say there is nothing "0". to me from nothing He creates and this creation is 1.
said this, i really don't know what/why you want me to prove my existence. what way that will help you. is that anyway going to improve my understanding of what you say. in that case answer from your perspective, i will try to understand.
i really have no arguments. arguments will not yield. unless Allah teach us.
peace.
peace,
i did not mean there is many Allah or Allah is nothing.
i mean Allah creates from "0". '0' meant by me as beyond knowledge.
proving existence to other human is not there/ necessary, proving as models in the straight-path of Allah is there/necessary.
peace.
Salam DrGm,
The argument I'm referring to is from the point of "critical thinking", ie. it is your conclusion, supported by logical reason and evidence.
Secondly, I believe you are making a conclusion of "Allah = 0" and "Creation = 1" from the perspective of "our knowledge" to the existence of Allah. When we were born, we have no knowledge of Allah's existence. Therefore, Allah is "0" in ourselves, and we are "1". When we grow up, we start to realize Allah's existence, and thus Allah is "1" and we are becoming "0". Thus, you are making a conclusion from the perspective of "our knowledge", not on reality.
On the other hand, I'm making a conclusion based on reality. The whole truth, and not on individual's knowledge. What we (individual) may see, or may not see does not represent the whole truth, it is not the reality.
Peace.
Some example or analogy
Sun = 1
Sunlight = 0 -
Salam DrGm,
I believe it is the knowledge of "Just and Balance"
The Sunnatullah and Allah's names
It is self evident in the universe and all living creatures, including the Qur'an
Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..
It is "Islam"
It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent
- Buddha is promoting just and balance
- Christian is promoting just and balance
- Hindu is promoting just and balance
- Sunni religion is promoting just and balance
- Shia religion is promoting just and balance
- Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance
Nonetheless, what went wrong?
It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.
Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
Peace.
peace,
i take your just and balance as Allah's guidance. His Guidance is, for whoever takes it as guidance. His guidance is, not for groups; only for individual. anyone consider as they are part of a group, then their receiver from Allah's Guidance will stop receiving gradually.
so Allah sets example right from Adam, Nuh, Aad, Ibrahim,... all are individuals.
so when man created religion/group or identifies him/her with groups, she/he is bound to go wrong gradually. this gradual is Allah's Grace, for He gives ample time for us to return to Him as individuals.
peace.
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peace,
i take your just and balance as Allah's guidance. His Guidance is, for whoever takes it as guidance. His guidance is, not for groups; only for individual. anyone consider as they are part of a group, then their receiver from Allah's Guidance will stop receiving gradually.
so Allah sets example right from Adam, Nuh, Aad, Ibrahim,... all are individuals.
so when man created religion/group or identifies him/her with groups, she/he is bound to go wrong gradually. this gradual is Allah's Grace, for He gives ample time for us to return to Him as individuals.
peace.
Salam DrGm,
Guidance, yes.. individually.
The objective of Khalif, just and balance ... how we live (Din)?
No... but as a group.
So as the earth, as a group and constitutes the element of fire, soil/earth, air and water.
Therefore, we cannot stand up for what is "just and balance" for certain individuals or groups of people, prophets or scriptures etc.
It is religion, it is Government .. it is not Din of Islam.
Allah only accept Din of Islam, not government or religion of Islam.
Peace.
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peace Man of Faith, muslims, all
these few posts confirms me my view that maths and its numbers (0,1) are taught by bad jinns for the state of pride. maths will not make us individual. only make us groups/sects by comparing. also, maths is used to mislead from right to wrong making to believe wrong as right.
where as good doesn't need any numerical values. Good is Good.
Salam DrGm,
When we were born, we have no knowledge of Allah's existence.
i believe by birth we have wisdom from Allah. when we identify us with our mother, father, brother, sister, grandfather, grandmother, uncle, aunt, friend, etc. we start loosing our wisdom from Allah. what we search in later days as knowledge is the wisdom we lost got from birth/Adam.
peace
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peace Man of Faith, muslims, all
these few posts confirms me my view that maths and its numbers (0,1) are taught by bad jinns for the state of pride. maths will not make us individual. only make us groups/sects by comparing. also, maths is used to mislead from right to wrong making to believe wrong as right.
where as good doesn't need any numerical values. Good is Good.
Salam DrGm,
For religious people, maybe yes..
But I believe there is nothing wrong with numbers.. so as statues, and even Satan and Iblees.
It is all there for "just and balance"
To teach us what is just and balance (Sunnatullah)
To guide us to Allah
Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (ل
and to make us a Khalif.
For example;
Love whether it's good or bad?
Misguidance?
Sura Al-Hijr and Al-Qalam
Premise 1 Allah only misguides the Disbelievers.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them, surely My plan is firm
(<a href="http//quran.com/68/44-45">6844-45</a>Premise 2 Iblees only misguides the Disbelievers.
He said My Lord! because Thou hast made life evil to me
I will certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth
and I will certainly cause them all to deviate
EXCEPT Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones.
(<a href="http//quran.com/15/39-41">3941</a>Therefore Iblees_____________________________ ?
Therefore Islam is not about good or bad, right or wrong... (eg. story Khidr and Musa)
Islam is about a way of life that is just and balance for all living creatures.
Peace.
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What is "Sirat al-Mustaqim"?
It is the line between good and bad.. right and wrong... etc.
ie. Just and Balance, the path of a Khalif
And become dust dispersing
And you become three kindsThen the companions of the right <-- Good, right, etc., (followers)
what are the companions of the right?And the companions of the left <-- Bad, wrong, etc., (followers)
what are the companions of the left?And the forerunners, the forerunners <-- "Sirat al-Mustaqim," Khalif, Prophets, etc., (leaders).
Those are the ones brought near
In the Gardens of Pleasure
(<a href="http//quran.com/56/6-12">566-12</a>The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor
not of those who have evoked anger
or of those who are astray
(<a href="http//quran.com/1/7">17</a>So it doesn't really matter if we are right (companions of the right) or wrong (companions of the left)
What matters most?
"Sirat al-Mustaqim" ..
"Just and Balance" for all living creatures .. the path of a Khalif
Din of Islam.