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Worship Allah and not the Quran

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    Man_of_Faith
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    The pyramids were built as beacons, once upon a day there would be a strong concentration of light and so in preparation for that day they preserved the body of the deceased Pharaoh (mummification) and he waited for the light to awaken him again. It was a belief in the resurrection. That day there would be a penetrating light resurrecting those who had died. The channeling of light to the burial chamber is due to that reason.

    Bad for him it does not work that way. All he did throughout his life determined where he ended up afterwards, no matter if he was buried or not, they could just have burned his body and spread the ashes to help the crop grow better. He is not waiting in his grave for resurrection, his body is just a decaying empty shell.

    The phenomenon concerning Jesus' revival follows Egyptian beliefs, he was buried in a cave and awoke from there while there was a strong light. Exactly that way the Egyptian resurrection would occur. The power of that light even removed the stone attempting to block the light in their story.

    The people in the stories of Gospels believed almost the same as the ancient Egyptians, but also the Persians used to bury their kings (shahansha or king of kings) in caves suspiciously and they were worked on in order for the corpse to remain for a long time.

    Their beliefs were quite primitive.

    Be well
    Qarael Amenuel

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Even today many of you religious people think that you should bury a person in a grave, somewhat following ancient traditions. This is not the Abrahamic faith you claim to follow. The one who follows father Abraham knows the soul and spirit of the person immediately leaves the body upon the death of the body, but does not impossibly return to the body as we have seen with "miraculous" awakenings in a clinically dead person. The body can then be burned and money saved instead of wasting it on a coffin, a remnant from the sarcophagus.

      When a body has released its spirit permanently it is nothing there of the person anymore, just an empty shell. The person will not be resurrected in it ever again and not at that location.

      Be well
      Qarael Amenuel

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        Abdun_Nur
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        Religion is a powerful force of cognitive dissonance "man of faith" you suffer a very dominant mental case of dissonance, and to waste any time on any debate with such a mind is completely pointless, I'll leave you to your delusion, confusions and self deceptions, peace.

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          Cerberus
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          cough Love is the only weapon a soul should use pre-emptively.cough

          Speaking of dissonance rotfl

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Religion is a powerful force of cognitive dissonance "man of faith" you suffer a very dominant mental case of dissonance, and to waste any time on any debate with such a mind is completely pointless, I'll leave you to your delusion, confusions and self deceptions, peace.

            Exactly what is it that makes be delusional? Because I with logic try to reason with religious minds?

            On my forum, you did not even try to read what I wrote and you just rambled what I wrote in a different way and we basically said the same thing. So the question is who is the deluded one.

            All I have said is that the spirit in the soul is truly powerful and has great potential and I try to make people take measures in benefiting from that potential. What is delusional about that?

            Be well
            Qarael Amenuel

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              Man_of_Faith
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              cough Love is the only weapon a soul should use pre-emptively.cough

              Speaking of dissonance rotfl

              Love is understanding of various cases, it can also be translated into empathy, that is the best love.

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                Abdun_Nur
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                If you had reason "man of faith" you would not have faith, as faith is belief free of reason.

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  Just like hadith which are a list of do's and don't's prophets, messenger, gurus, saints, or whatever crutch is invested in are used to remove reasoning, and conclusion to correct action

                  You are clearly wrong regarding the Ten Directives which Moses become knowledgeable of. They are not there to remove reasoning but quite the opposite, they were there to be ambiguous lines to reflect upon their origin. And because you do not even care to read what I have to say, you have also not seen me elaborating upon why these directives were ever compiled. The Directives are equal to a remedy in RESISTING THE HUMAN INSTINCT (aka Satan) which is something which absorbs a person into taking active and vain participation in this world, it is like losing the mind to the ventures of the world.

                  You are right in saying religious scholars invented religions around the world which mislead people, but that does not say there were wise persons who found some answers to our existence in past times but also modern times. Abraham, whoever he was I do not care about = no idolization, he discovered that the way was about being sane/sound concerning everything in life, and he was the beginning of a foundation of knowledge. Moses, I also do not care about who he was = no idolization, he expanded upon the be sound philosophy and found out Ten Parameters which lead to unsoundness, i.e. the ten commandments you know about. And Jesus, no idolization of the man, he elaborated upon the nature of these parameters causing spiritual decay and also showed someone upholding them perfectly with a pristine spirit, showing absolutely strong willpower and portrayed what happens to a man who truly manages to separate from the worldly. That is the truth behind the Abrahamic legacy if we remove religious bias.

                  Be well
                  Qarael Amenuel

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    If you had reason "man of faith" you would not have faith, as faith is belief free of reason.

                    Additionally, the name "Man of Faith" is taken several years ago and I would perhaps not have taken it today because of ***** like you taking advantage of linguistics to deride things.

                    I have said to you twice or thrice FAITH IS CONFIDENCE IN SOMETHING. IT CAN MEAN TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING, BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY CONNOTATION. SO MAN OF FAITH MEANS "MAN OF CONFIDENCE" AND IT WAS A SLIGHTLY DISTORTED TRANSLATION OF MY NAME AMENUEL ORIGINALLY INTO ENGLISH.

                    People who know me, know I have a very strong confidence and therefore I am also often called arrogant. But I have a strong sense of reasoning, so I always evaluate everything using logic. Logic is the main component when looking at things.

                    Be well
                    Qarael Amenuel

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                      good_logic
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                      GOD has created humans ,humans are recreating themselves as "class/categories".

                      Some are "very logical" and clever,some are "clever" not so much logical,some are just "logical" some are "deluded",some are easily led,some are "I know but others have not got a clue",some are....OK endless types!!!!

                      Now what is the true classification? Who is better than the other? Where does the "ego" come into the mix? What is the difference between claiming to work for the soul when one actually works for the "Ego"?...So many questions to ponder for all of us.

                      So ,you have got the truth? What next? Ram it down the throats? shine it kindly? Use it for yourself? Brag with it?Fight with it?Rule with it?...The choices are endless.

                      I have no doubt,my best guess, the first conversation between two humans started with one of them claiming to have the "truth". "I worked it out " that human claimed "I use my "logic/brain/cleverness/good faculties...etc" he adds....The other one "argues" back,,even if it was for the sake of arguing,never the less,he argued...And so on.

                      We continue where others left,we move on regardless of where we are "forcibly taken" by GOD or nature or nothing ...or endless of claims...

                      GOD bless the human race.
                      Peace.

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        We have that potential for intelligence because we where created with such a soul power attached. Our soul is like a seed.

                        Be well
                        Qarael Amenuel

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                          HP_TECH
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                          We have that potential for intelligence because we where created with such a soul power attached. Our soul is like a seed.

                          Be well
                          Qarael Amenuel

                          Which of the Quran's Classical Arabic words do you regard as soul in the context you are referring to?
                          Is it nafs or ruh?

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                            scarface2890
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                            there no faith or belief in quran

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                              amin
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                              The word "Faith" is originally accepting what's ordained.
                              And the word "Belief" is following some thing we do not understand without questions, like a child following its parents. Quran do not recommend blind belief but as i think its recommending following in the path of universal goodness and by following that we learn from ITS guidance.

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                                scarface2890
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                                there no prophet in quran

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                                  scarface2890
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                                  there no pray in quran and there no god too only allah, Worship is shirk

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace scarface 2890.
                                    These one liners will lead to "there is no quran"!!!!!
                                    At least elaborate Hatu burhanakum in kuntum sadiqueen".
                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace

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                                      Abdun_Nur
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                                      Peace.

                                      Belief is not blind, that is equal to faith, and if you have faith you have nothing at all.

                                      They Don?t Have a Thought in Their Head, do you?

                                      Thought = thinking.

                                      Thinking = reasoning to form rational (agreeable to reason) decisions.

                                      Reasoning = logic used to form conclusions, judgments, or inferences.

                                      Logic = ?a system or principles of reasoning? applicable to any branch of knowledge or study to establish convincing inexorable truth or persuasiveness.
                                      Principles = adherence to ?morality?.

                                      Truth = a verified, proven indisputable actuality.

                                      Fact = what is agreed upon.

                                      Belief = an opinion or conviction.

                                      Reasoned belief free of assumptions = truth.

                                      Morality ? The Act of Virtuous Conduct

                                      The ?jural sphere? is to be distinguished from the ?moral sphere?

                                      The moral sphere is the whole scope of ethics and the science of ethical conduct.

                                      Ethics = a system of moral principles

                                      The jural sphere is constructed legal fictions that are subjected as legal sanctions upon the dominated.

                                      Jural = the exercise of authority in vindication (avenging) of granted right by assigning reward or punishment.

                                      This leads to Virtue - an internal resolve to act through moral and ethical principles.

                                      The deception - Invented religious virtues which do not represent fundamental virtuous principles

                                      Prudence - regard for one's own interests

                                      Justice - the exercise of authority in vindication of granted right by assigning reward or punishment

                                      Temperance ? controlling the indulgence of a natural appetite or passion

                                      Faith - belief that is not based on proof

                                      Hope ? a desire for something and confidence in the possibility of its fulfillment

                                      Charity - generous actions or donations to give aid

                                      If anyone who thinks is interested i can fully explain "The Philosophy of Virtue".

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        The word faith comes etymologically from a word which means trust, its strongest connotation is to have confidence.

                                        To believe without knowing for sure is not what this word conveys but whether one believes in shit or not is not conveyed. It merely says one trusts something or that one has confidence overall, e.g. in oneself, that one is secure at heart.

                                        Believe is a weaker sort of stance on something, it implies insecurity but you still accept because of... belief.

                                        But you are just playing with words here.

                                        Be well
                                        Qarael Amenuel

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                                          huruf
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                                          I disagree tht faith is belief without proof. Rather it is belief with the strongest proof. The proof that comes from inner conviction. Conviction only comen from actual living personal inner and outer experience.

                                          What is belief without proof is not faith but delusion, when somebody takes ilusions for real.

                                          Salaam

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