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    diamantinehoneybunch
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    Salaam,

    I believe that some choose to be gay while some can't help being gay for example transvestites who are make up experts.

    Regards,
    Yuliana

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      muslims
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      Yes! and so?

      And you wanted to say? ???
      what is your contribution ? -\

      ???

      Salam

      I still can't imagine how Allah or the Qur'an would suggest gayism and homosexuality as our deen.

      How come mut'ah, child marriage and polygamy is wrong but gayism is okay?

      Justly balanced and a Muslim?

      Is this sound reasoning?

      This thread can't be serious right? yes

      Peace

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        spiritual_seeker_86
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        Why wouldn't this thread be serious? Its very serious and relevant, if a person happens to be gay and interested in Islam. Thanks for all the respectful answers friends.

        So the Koran basically suggests like the Bible that it wasn't necessarily homosexuality, but gang violence, rape, inhospitality, and so forth?

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          muslims
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          Why wouldn't this thread be serious? Its very serious and relevant, if a person happens to be gay and interested in Islam. Thanks for all the respectful answers friends.

          So the Koran basically suggests like the Bible that it wasn't necessarily homosexuality, but gang violence, rape, inhospitality, and so forth?

          Salam

          What is a Muslim?

          Peace

          I wanted to ask if a person can be gay and Muslim?

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            spiritual_seeker_86
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            I, like a few others here, gather that a Muslim is a submitter to God, and not necessarily an adherence to strict religious dogmas, but remembrance of God. Any reason a gay person can't be a Muslim?

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              muslims
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              Salam

              Is Munafiqoon or Mushrikeen is a Muslim?

              Peace

              (227) (57 ) (821) (3030) (446)

              (28) (3938) (1031) (439) (367)

              And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people
              You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy the worst sin)
              which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).
              Verily, you do sodomy with men, and... <- comparison (1732)
              (2929)

              (1430) (6150) (2543) (4523)

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                Released
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                Peace

                The Sunnis and Shias promote and carry out violence against homosexuals, probably because they've got Hadith encouraging this type of action.

                Regardless of what someone's views are in regard to homosexuality, there's nothing that in the Quran that justifies violence against people who are openly gay. Apart from violence, even discrimination or slander are not permissible.

                I'm on a Quran only/Progressive Thinkers facebook group where people write in anonymously with their questions. We answer to the best of our ability. Though, I couldn't believe the amount of hatred against homosexuals, within this particular Quranist group. Nobody threatened anyone violently, but they were very mean-spirited.

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                  muslims
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                  Salam

                  Between individuals (vs. state powers), it might have some truth in it and its up to the person to commit the "Al-Fahishah" or not..

                  Allah say..

                  Say, "Enjoy Yourselves! (1430)

                  and

                  O you who have believed
                  upon you is yourselves
                  (5105)

                  However on the issue of whether he is a Muslim ...

                  I wanted to ask if a person can be gay and Muslim?

                  I don't think he is a Muslim.. the rule is very clear.

                  Why he wants to change the rule and be called as a Muslim if he don't want to follow the Qur'an? hmm

                  Only the munafiqoon (hypocrites) and mushrikeen (associators) wants to be called or identified with for what he was not.

                  (227) (57 ) (821) (3030) (446)

                  (28) (3938) (1031) (439) (367)

                  Peace

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                    Novice
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                    Salam

                    Between individuals (vs. state powers), it might have some truth in it and its up to the person to commit the "Al-Fahishah" or not..

                    Allah say..

                    Say, "Enjoy Yourselves! (1430)

                    and

                    O you who have believed
                    upon you is yourselves
                    (5105)

                    However on the issue of whether he is a Muslim ...

                    I don't think he is a Muslim.. the rule is very clear.

                    Why he wants to change the rule and be called as a Muslim if he don't want to follow the Qur'an? hmm

                    Only the munafiqoon (hypocrites) and mushrikeen (associators) wants to be called or identified for what he was not.

                    Peace

                    Peace
                    The complete ayat is

                    And they set up rivals to God to mislead from His way. (They take the clergy as their
                    authorities instead of the Word of God, thus setting up ?rivals? to Him.) Tell
                    them, ?Enjoy life while you can, for your sure destination is the fire.?
                    Peace

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                      muslims
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                      Peace
                      The complete ayat is

                      And they set up rivals to God to mislead from His way. (They take the clergy as their
                      authorities instead of the Word of God, thus setting up ?rivals? to Him.) Tell
                      them, ?Enjoy life while you can, for your sure destination is the fire.?
                      Peace

                      Salam

                      I have given the link for further reference and "they set up rivals to God" is related to..

                      (1430) (6150) (2543) (4523)

                      Peace peace

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                        Salam

                        I have given the link for further reference and "they set up rivals to God" is related to..

                        Peace peace

                        Brother I just copied and pasted from QXP. These are not my words.
                        Salam

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                          muslims
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                          Brother I just copied and pasted from QXP. These are not my words.
                          Salam

                          Salam

                          I know and I'm explaining so that people don't misunderstood or get confused.

                          Peace

                          p/s I leave that part "for your sure destination is the fire" for Allah to decide (it is not for human beings to decide - refer here).. and for those who wish to find out the full ayats.

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                            spiritual_seeker_86
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                            Salam

                            Is Munafiqoon or Mushrikeen is a Muslim?

                            Peace

                            (227) (57 ) (821) (3030) (446)

                            (2 (393 (1031) (439) (367)

                            And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people
                            You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy the worst sin)
                            which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).
                            Verily, you do sodomy with men, and... <- comparison (1732)
                            (2929)

                            (1430) (6150) (2543) (4523)

                            Does Al-Fahishah actually translate Sodomy? Funny the word Sodom means charred or burnt, nothing more or less. Also, if no one committed it prior its not talking about homosexuality, as homosexuality existed in cultures way more ancient than Sodom.

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                              spiritual_seeker_86
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                              Peace

                              The Sunnis and Shias promote and carry out violence against homosexuals, probably because they've got Hadith encouraging this type of action.

                              Regardless of what someone's views are in regard to homosexuality, there's nothing that in the Quran that justifies violence against people who are openly gay. Apart from violence, even discrimination or slander are not permissible.

                              I'm on a Quran only/Progressive Thinkers facebook group where people write in anonymously with their questions. We answer to the best of our ability. Though, I couldn't believe the amount of hatred against homosexuals, within this particular Quranist group. Nobody threatened anyone violently, but they were very mean-spirited.

                              Some people are just hateful I guess, and I wonder if they think hate and discrimination are godly values?

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                                spiritual_seeker_86
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                                However on the issue of whether he is a Muslim ...

                                I don't think he is a Muslim.. the rule is very clear.

                                Why he wants to change the rule and be called as a Muslim if he don't want to follow the Qur'an? hmm

                                Only the munafiqoon (hypocrites) and mushrikeen (associators) wants to be called or identified with for what he was not.

                                Peace

                                You can think as you wish I suppose, and may God decide all disputes. )

                                I don't think you've really demonstrated the Quran is against specifically homosexuality, as others mentioned, there are things like gang violence associated with the actual Quranic sin. I'd hope no one would suggest homosexuals are all violent rapists.

                                Ultimately I think only God could determine who believes. Again, may God decide all disputes.

                                Peace

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                                  Abdul-Hadi
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                                  Greetings and Peace, all group

                                  Salam

                                  Is Munafiqoon or Mushrikeen is a Muslim?

                                  Peace

                                  (227) (57 ) (821) (3030) (446)

                                  (28) (3938) (1031) (439) (367)

                                  And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people
                                  You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy the worst sin)
                                  which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).
                                  Verily, you do sodomy with men, and... <- comparison (1732)
                                  (2929)

                                  (1430) (6150) (2543) (4523)

                                  Fahisha means immorality/lewdness. Adultery is one example of fahisha. See 42531 for one example of this.

                                  Regarding the people of Lot committing lewdness not done before...

                                  Homosexuality has been found depicted in cave paintings that are dated to be around 12,000 years old.

                                  Further, physical evidence remains of homosexuality in Mesopotamia around 5,000 years ago; note that this is over a thousand years before the people of Lot were destroyed (circa 1953 BCE).

                                  Homosexuality is DEFINED as attraction to the same gender. This attraction need not be acted on for an individual to be homosexual. In the same way that a "straight" person does not have to be sexually active to be straight, a homosexual person does not have to sexually active to be homosexual. An individual does not have much choice in the matter as to what sexually attracts them.

                                  226 GOD does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they say "What does GOD intend with this example?" He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.

                                  Homosexuality has been found in ALL known species that reproduce sexually--and yes, this includes mosquitos.

                                  This topic has been discussed at length in previous threads

                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601872.msg269936#msg269936

                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605571.0

                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603761.msg296560#msg296560

                                  Here are some other links

                                  http//www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

                                  http//www.biolbull.org/content/149/2/365.short

                                  http//rierc.org/social/paper162.pdf

                                  http//news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

                                  http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

                                  http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

                                  http//www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Diversity-Stonewall/dp/031225377X

                                  In any case, a person can be LBGT and follow the Deen...even though the "haters gonna hate."

                                  ALLAH knows best.

                                  peace

                                  ~Abdul-Hadi

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                                    Released
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                                    Some people are just hateful I guess, and I wonder if they think hate and discrimination are godly values?

                                    They'll concoct while theories from their thousand and one sources. Then, they'll throw some random Quran verses in that bare no relevance. Some people are just hypocrites.

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                                      Man_of_Faith
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                                      Salaam,

                                      The primary crime of the people of Lut was that they forced people into having sex and apparently robbed travelers on the highway. I think the homosexuality in that case was the least sinful one if at all. However, the story saya that they prefer men over their women and it depends on how you interpret that.

                                      God bless you

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                                        spiritual_seeker_86
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                                        Peace all,

                                        It says they preferred men over women, but in the case of gay people, can that really be helped? Not if gay people don't choose to be attracted to the same sex, and not the opposite. Its not really a matter of liking both even and choosing to like men better.

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                                          drfazl
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                                          Gay or homosexuality is sexual gratification from the same sex. It starts from the border line between childhood and adolescence, until adulteration is completed i.e. when we reach adulthood. The borderline between childhood and adolescence is the stage when the habit of masturbation is invented as the most gratifying discovery when a boy touches his own genital organ; and when a female touches her own genital organ; here starts male to male; and female to female sensual affinities - the mental growth of gay sexual aberration is seeded here. None is exempt from this globally pandemic, genetic, genital disorder. These are truly homo-sapiens.

                                          Except for Allah, Who shall bring forth the pristine life from the dead and decayed, it is impossible for the humanity as a whole to become free of this sensuality which is punitively offensive to the sensibilities of one's mental calibre. Only when our masturbation tendency weans away, we shall become aware of our distinguishing and discerning abilities. This is the reward from Allah, awaiting one and all.

                                          Instead of justifying this mental dysfunction through debate as normal physiological activity, we can be prayerful or Wishfully obeying the Will of Allah and put our Trust in Him with the prayer

                                          O God of the worlds;
                                          Save us from the sensualities.
                                          Elevate us from the ritual debates;
                                          And make our minds surrender to Your Will -
                                          Raise us in Honour and Enlightenment,
                                          With all praise to Your ordainment.
                                          That perhaps You might raise us -
                                          To the Throne; as we submit
                                          To You alone; us, as You acquit.

                                          Salam

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