Polygamy refutation (verse 4:3)
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Chimp, You repeat over and over your staunch blind belief in poligamy and you do not get out of it.
Of ourse in 4.3 nothing is prohibited or commanded poligamy wise, because it is not about poligamy. Not at all.
But you want to give poligamy the standing of a quranic command, and it is not there.
It is not in 4., it is nowhere. Men are no more entitled to have several wives than women are to have several husbands. For those exceptional measures there must be a sufficient cause. The orphans by themselves are not.
And, Chimp, you are not an Arabic speaker, are you?
Salaam
Once again . . . you have nothing to add. It is ironic isn't it . . . the ones who least know and are willing to discuss about the Quran are "Quran only"
I have exposed person after person after person . . . and you are fundamentally dishonest.
Chimp, You repeat over and over your staunch blind belief in poligamy and you do not get out of it.
The word is "Polygamy" - you are that ". . . " you cannot even correct this - how likely is it that you will be honest about anything else.
Of ourse in 4.3 nothing is prohibited or commanded poligamy wise, because it is not about poligamy. Not at all.
You repeat this over and over . . .and it is completely meaningless. . . so what is the interpretation of the verse? Why dont you state that?
But you want to give poligamy the standing of a quranic command, and it is not there.
And that is completely wrong and open deception . . . so where is that Admin of this board now?
It is not in 4., it is nowhere. Men are no more entitled to have several wives than women are to have several husbands. For those exceptional measures there must be a sufficient cause. The orphans by themselves are not.
Yes it is. Hence WHY you are not discussing the verse . . .but furthering the agenda. "Quran only" is nothing more than aligning faith with Westernism - by deception rather than honesty.
And, Chimp, you are not an Arabic speaker, are you?
No - not a native speaker. I learned Classical and MSA. Originally, of Indian origin .
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Peace,
Alcohol is among the substances which cloud your mind so why would people interpret Islam to allow it if the Book says such ones should be avoided? Talk about empty argument. Go home to your brethren and stop accusing honest Faithmen of being wrong about every little thing. We are all different individuals and we follow the Message depending on our Faith, so some people may accept drinking alcohol while some avoid it altogether like me.
Your translation of 43 is so incoherent so it seems you only worked hard to twist its meaning. With such translation the context sounds weird. Try to read the 41 until 45 with that translation and then see if it sounds good. If you say yes then you are not honest to yourself nor us.
What is so beautiful about polygamy that you want to protect it? Because you deem that God gave you the right?
If you have orphans what is the reason for you to marry the women if you apply your brain into the equation?
Why would you be unrighteous towards orphanaged girls while same rights are for them, ie the dowry and legal marriage contract. Why would you not be able to be fair to them? Because they lack their parents so thus you can abuse them and then instead marry other women?
The plain fact is because your stupid translation is WRONG. It cannot be because then the author of the Message would be very incompetent and such you do not regard your idol Muhammad?
I do not care if you are a professor in Arabic because if one does not apply intellect while deciphering the millennia old scripture then they are lost in translation and understanding, such as many mullahs are. Understand that you ought not to follow the majority of people on Earth because hence they lead you away from the Light.
Peace out
You are rude and quite a vile person. You make up "things". You have absolutely zero knowledge worth talking about. . . you cover it up with gibberish. And once again that is the case.
I have exposed you - over and over and over. You have ran away from question after question.
Alcohol is among the substances which cloud your mind so why would people interpret Islam to allow it if the Book says such ones should be avoided? Talk about empty argument. Go home to your brethren and stop accusing honest Faithmen of being wrong about every little thing. We are all different individuals and we follow the Message depending on our Faith, so some people may accept drinking alcohol while some avoid it altogether like me.
You start off with this
Alcohol is among the substances which cloud your mind so why would people interpret Islam to allow it if the Book says such ones should be avoided? Talk about empty argument.
Look where you end
so some people may accept drinking alcohol while some avoid it altogether like me.
See - this is the result of "hate" and being vile.
See this
http//www.free-minds.org/alcohol-forbidden-islam
Oh - realized your mistake did you?
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Your translation of 43 is so incoherent so it seems you only worked hard to twist its meaning. With such translation the context sounds weird. Try to read the 41 until 45 with that translation and then see if it sounds good. If you say yes then you are not honest to yourself nor us.
Here is more dishonesty. You have no clue what the argument is . . . what the Quran is saying . . . you do not EVEN bother to talk about it. . . yet. It is just to have a go at me. You are one sick and twisted individual. Talk about open dishonesty.
I have repeatedly tried being quite nice and asking you questions . . . what do I get in return?
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The plain fact is because your stupid translation is WRONG. It cannot be because then the author of the Message would be very incompetent and such you do not regard your idol Muhammad?
Not a single person here actually knows what the "translation" is . . or talks about it.
What you do is . . . get personal and post up petty and vile abuse.
Look how Yuksel translates
If you fear that you cannot be just to fatherless orphans, then marry those whom you see fit from the women, two, and three, and four.But if you fear you will not be fair then only one, or whom you already have contract with. So that you do not commit injustice and suffer hardship.*
And the '*'
Polygamy is allowed only to provide
psychological, social and economic support for
widows with orphans (See 4127). Muhammad's
practice of polygamy must have been in accordance
with the condition to serve an important social
service.Sure,physicalattractionofwidowsmight
be one of the factors for marriage and there is nothin g
wrong with that. Those who could afford practicing
polygamy, mentally and financially, should try hard
to treat them equally= = =
You have not given a single reason for your vile abuse other than to fling petty insults.
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I do not care if you are a professor in Arabic because if one does not apply intellect while deciphering the millennia old scripture then they are lost in translation and understanding, such as many mullahs are. Understand that you ought not to follow the majority of people on Earth because hence they lead you away from the Light.
In other words . . . like the Australian Jesus "God" is sending you private messages. . .
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salam all (except chimp to who this post is not addressed)
The chimp is doing what we call a moujadala.
668 And if you encounter those who engage in vain talk about Our revelations, then turn away from them until they move on to a different narrative; and if the devil makes you forget, then do not sit after remembering with the wicked people.
his arguments are based on what ancestors and scholars says.
now, for fun, i will respond to my questions like if i was a chimp
1- What is nikah for you ? Sexual act ?
yes and no. Nikah is Marriage with free women and sexual act with slaves2 -With how many "slaves" can you make "nikah" in your deen ? Are they counted in the "four" ? are they still slaves after nikah or did they obtain "wife " status ?
As much sexual acts as a muslim want (that is taba/goodness for them).
after nikah, a slave still a slave and is not counted as wife.3- Why in 4-4; word sadaqa (charity) is used. When Allah speaks about dowry, he use generally ajr (salary) and it is an obligation. Did you consider what a man gives to his wife as sadaqa ?
Of course. Nikah is just reading verses during a ceremony. It gives no right to the woman. A man can repudiate her with a simple formulaall this a good sample of how chaytan teach islam and quran. when he acts like that, chaytan is called taghut. Islam teached by chaytan is the total opposite of islam teached by god. really total opposite, not a simple joke.
Please read this
Peacesalam all (except chimp to who this post is not addressed)
It doesn't work like that.
You do not have an argument . . . look around you at the amount of petty insults.
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Isn't it ironic . . . not 1 of you can actually even read the Quran!
And yet you have stupidity of saying you stick to "Qur'an only"
I have exposed your whole faith.
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Salaam noshirk,
Thanks for your comforting words. You are right that we ought to ignore the ignorant people who speak like they know the Message and insult those who try to seek the true meaning of the Message without adding a bunchload of conjecture that has no place in God's system.
God bless you
Yeah - because when it comes to talking about the Quran . . . what is your excuse for not knowing the Quran?
God is sending you personal messages.
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What? Are you jealous? rotfl
Peace out
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What? Are you jealous? rotfl
Peace out
I have done my best to show you lot of god will . . . and will continue to do so . . . but I will point out the guff - if I am on here. And as I have already pointed out. You are master of BS. How you can speak about a subject of which you clearly have no knowledge of - it is quite a skill!
We have a good word for it in Punjabi/Hindko - "Bonga"!
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And that word for simply choosing to following the simplest possible meaning of the Message? Is that following much conjecture is it?
Why do you not keep to your Sunni Islam and let me serve God alone with my understanding of the Message as very simple and not complicated?
Peace out
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And that word for simply choosing to following the simplest possible meaning of the Message? Is that following much conjecture is it?
Why do you not keep to your Sunni Islam and let me serve God alone with my understanding of the Message as very simple and not complicated?
Peace out
So why don't you? Why advertise it here? It's a public forum . . . spread your stuff here and be prepared to face criticism.
As it happens . . . a colander has less holes than your rhetoric.
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Okay, the chimp. Have a good time.
Peace out
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So why don't you? Why advertise it here? It's a public forum . . . spread your stuff here and be prepared to face criticism.
As it happens . . . a colander has less holes than your rhetoric.
No offense chimp but you speak of people insulting you yet you insult them! If people did what you're doing We'd be going round in circles! (Still we are for some reason.....). Just calm down a bit and take it easy. Wording things in an aggressive and presumptive way won't help people wanting to answer you clearly...