Abba or Allah

NielsJacob

Peace The _ Chimp

The usage of referring to the almighty as "Father" actually is earlier than Jesus. . . . as Jesus was Hebrew - the jews used the word Avinu to refer to him . . . however they also use "El" and both are distinct.

Here is another compelling read.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Father

In somehow you are right.

But the usage is not so common as you think.

Its only used ones in OT, refering to you own link.
The only place we find it is in Isaiah 6316.

But yes only one is also enough.
Maybe this make Father accepted in prayer since Jesus according to HQ confirmed the OT.
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah

But we dont have any authenticating of NT, so we can?t trust it like that.

So maybe we for now could call "The Lords Prayer" for Rightious and Islamic. Only the title gives me creeps (I wont use the word unislamic again)

God bless

Man_of_Faith

Evidence of what, the chimp?

Peace out

The_Chimp

Peace The _ ChimpIn somehow you are right.

But the usage is not so common as you think.

Its only used ones in OT, refering to you own link.
The only place we find it is in Isaiah 6316.

But yes only one is also enough.
Maybe this make Father accepted in prayer since Jesus according to HQ confirmed the OT.
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah

But we dont have any authenticating of NT, so we can?t trust it like that.

So maybe we for now could call "The Lords Prayer" for Rightious and Islamic. Only the title gives me creeps (I wont use the word unislamic again)

God bless

I am sorry - but I didn't understand your post that much - the English.

The_Chimp

Evidence of what, the chimp?

Peace out

I think it is an error in translation and perhaps a deliberate error to suit the belief as Jesus as son of God.

Man_of_Faith

Thus I said I think because I do not know. It ought to be some kind of error since Jesus is not the son of God.

Peace out

The_Chimp

Thus I said I think because I do not know. It ought to be some kind of error since Jesus is not the son of God.

Peace out

Saying "I think" does not excuses you at all . . . neither is it a synonymous for "I do not know". "I think" tells you a person has to come to his opinion with some reasoning behind it.

NielsJacob

Peace The_Chimp

Sorry )

Summery

Father is only used ones in Torah.

Man_of_Faith

Saying "I think" does not excuses you at all . . . neither is it a synonymous for "I do not know". "I think" tells you a person has to come to his opinion with some reasoning behind it.

Well, the reason I think is because as I think you know is that Jesus is not the son of God so some error must be in there. Thus why "I think" there is an error in the before-mentioned. Is that something you have to argue this much about?

Peace out

The_Chimp

Well, the reason I think is because as I think you know is that Jesus is not the son of God so some error must be in there. Thus why "I think" there is an error in the before-mentioned. Is that something you have to argue this much about?

Peace out

Look - I have helped you . . . do you know what the word "arrogant" means?

"having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

You know full well the limit of your abilities . . . yet the amount you pretend and then are pulled up short. So when you were accusing me . . . it was really projecting.

Man_of_Faith

Look - I have helped you . . . do you know what the word "arrogant" means?

"having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

You know full well the limit of your abilities . . . yet the amount you pretend and then are pulled up short. So when you were accusing me . . . it was really projecting.

It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

Peace out

The_Chimp

It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

Peace out

I already said you are good at covering yourself up with BS. And here once again you fall short . . . this is pathetically confusing and about paradoxically illogical

It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

This is intended to be aimed at me . . . but look what it says . . . so it goes back to you!

Ha ha ha . . . this is just too easy! eat

Man_of_Faith

Peace.

Israfeel

To refer to Allah as 'Abba' is pure anthropomorphism. It is assigning a sexual gender to the Lord of the Worlds. Allah is not father or mother, He is the Great, Holy, and Pure.

NielsJacob

Peace Israfeel

To refer to Allah as 'Abba' is pure anthropomorphism. It is assigning a sexual gender to the Lord of the Worlds. Allah is not father or mother, He is the Great, Holy, and Pure.

That was also my view when I made the first post.

But now I think its acceptabel due to its apperance and usage in Torah.
The "title" is used in Isaiah 6316.
So I don?t think its right to assume as you do.

Israfeel

Peace Israfeel
That was also my view when I made the first post.

But now I think its acceptabel due to its apperance and usage in Torah.
The "title" is used in Isaiah 6316.
So I don?t think its right to assume as you do.

It's usage in the Torah is allegorical due to the nature of the Hebrew language. However, Allah is never referred to as father in the Quran, and that is sufficient for the believers.

NielsJacob

Peace Israfeel

...However, Allah is never referred to as father in the Quran, and that is sufficient for the believers.

Why its this sufficient?

The Torah is confirmed by Jesus (5.46). And in this we have the usage of the word "Father"

Israfeel

Peace Israfeel

Why its this sufficient?

The Torah is confirmed by Jesus (5.46). And in this we have the usage of the word "Father"

What about "Mother"? The Mormon religion actually says God has a Wife and she is the 'Eternal Mother'. They use the Torah as proof that how can someone be a Father unless he has a wife who is a mother?

It's impossible that there is a father but no mother.

NielsJacob

PeaceIsrafeel

What about "Mother"? The Mormon religion actually says God has a Wife and she is the 'Eternal Mother'. They use the Torah as proof that how can someone be a Father unless he has a wife who is a mother?

It's impossible that there is a father but no mother.

Of cause its possible due to nothing is impossible for God.

But anyway. I think the term "Father" is used in the meaning "Father of a nation."

The Mormons make their own conclusions. These have never been authorized.

Israfeel

PeaceIsrafeel
Of cause its possible due to nothing is impossible for God.

But anyway. I think the term "Father" is used in the meaning "Father of a nation."

The Mormons make their own conclusions. These have never been authorized.

Father of a nation is a term, and so is Mother of a nation. So we're back to square one.

You say that nothing is impossible for God. Based on this I have two questions

Is it possible for God to create another God who is superior and greater than Him? (God Forbid)
Is it possible for God to break his promise, lie, or deceive? (God Forbid)

NielsJacob

Peace Israfeel

Father of a nation is a term, and so is Mother of a nation. So we're back to square one.

No we are not. Mother have never been confirmed in HQ.

You say that nothing is impossible for God. Based on this I have two questions

Is it possible for God to create another God who is superior and greater than Him? (God Forbid)
Is it possible for God to break his promise, lie, or deceive? (God Forbid)

In the theory nothing is Impossible. So only God know.
Our own conclusions wouldn?t leed us anywhere.

But here are my own simple thoughts. Wich only should be seen as so

I think in the Theory God Could create something greater. But that would again be Him selves.
So again its a defenition of Him.

2.Offcouse God could lie . But when he said he woudln?t we must trust this (but in the theory this could also be a lie).