I am God / Allah
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Everything are (refer here) . . . and you are denying Allah is Ahad and Samad (112).
and we don't need vision . . we just need to read and understand the Quran.
How Allah is Samad and One (ie. the exact nature of Allah) is the Mustasyaabihaat
But the facts that Allah is Ahad and Samad, only one existence, a whole without any void or emptiness . . is the Muhkamat . .
UNLESS . . . you don't believe in One God and believe in other deity (existence) than Allah . . including gods (with their own and separate existence from the One and Samad)
e.g some illustration and of course, far from being accurate . . just for some thoughts
sun and the sunlight . .
a likeness of Allah (sun, 1)
and the sunlight (creation, 0) . .the sunlight never exists (0) . . even if you can feel the heat and believe it exists
however, only the sun exists (1)prove http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y
Allah is the light (2435)
a likeness of His light (sun) is as a niche in which is a lamp (sun)
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the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
light upon light (creation)
Allah guides to His light whom He pleases <- guides to realize everything is 1
(2435)Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth <- everything, Ahad and Samad
a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
the lamp is in a glass
(and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
lit from a blessed olive-tree
neither eastern nor western <- no boundary, Samad
the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
light upon light
Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
and Allah sets forth parables for men
and Allah is Cognizant of all things
(2435)You provide an abundance of so many fallacies, Muslims red herring, circular reasoning, and straw man. Dude, it's obvious.
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I have not claimed that I follow only The Book, I follow God, the Message and whenever His true information turns up. But I do not follow that garbage hadith of Muhammad, or much of the Bible for that sake either. Where did I sway away from it by the way? When I mentioned about God to Moses and I am that I am? Does it change anything? God is what He is, is He not?
I have asked you repeatedly - but you refuse to answer. And this question is serious
How do you assess what is from God and what isn't? Other than by Quran? Else, as I pointed out before - how are your messages any different from those of the Australian Jesus.
But I do not follow that garbage hadith of Muhammad
In a way you do. How else do you think the Quran has been preserved. No one follows the Hadith - without proper and due care, analysis and assessment. This is why your arguments and stance is so lacking, insincere and shallow. It is just laziness - you do not really know what you are rejecting and why. In other words - you are just another sheep following others.
Now - if you can do try to answer rather than once more avoiding. . .
Also, I have asked you this before - if you have a private belief system which is just limited to you - then why do you air it on a public forum?
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You provide an abundance of so many fallacies, Muslims red herring, circular reasoning, and straw man. Dude, it's obvious.
When people claim this - most likely there is nothing obvious about other person's illogicality. If it is that obvious then you would have no problems spelling it out.
Don't worry - I am no friend of "Muslims" - he has claimed similar towards me. People do this in order to avoid answering something.
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It is nonsense when they acknowledge they are men like everyone else?
How can that be . . .
Pharaoh is not about the issue of whether he is God . . . it is about the issue of Arbab and Thaghut.
Pharaoh said, "I do not show you
except what I see
and I do not guide you
except to the way of right conduct"
(4029)Pharaoh himself know that he is human . . he eats, he sleep, he was born like everyone else, he knows that he will die etc. .
So as everyone else . . they know these facts, and that's why they even acknowledge that he was a man like everyone else in (23.47)
See? Everyone know that he is a man . . like everyone else, and therefore is not claiming himself as God
Now . . did Pharaoh believe in God ?
Yes . .
And We helped the Children of Israel cross the sea
and Pharaoh and his soldiers followed them out of hatred and animosity
But when he was certain to drown, he said
"I believe that there is no god except the One in whom the Children of Israel believe
and I am of those who have surrendered (muslim)."
(10.90)Do you undertand the statement "I believe that there is no god except the One in whom the Children of Israel believe"?
It means he believe in gods and goddesses (God of Ra, the egyptian gods and goddesses etc.), but not Allah.
Do you have something useful that I can think of, other than using the ad hominem, fallacious arguments and hate speech?
The first known claimant - that I can think of regarding the belief of Pharaoh was Ibn Arabi. And he stands accused of such pantheistic attitude akin to the views of "Muslims"
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Do you think Pharaoh and everyone else during that time doesn't know he is a human being?
There have been people who claimed themselves to be Prophets and Gods - this is nothing new. The case of Rashad Khaliafah - he was no messenger.
The case of the Australian Jesus - if you listen to him - he is very very very sincere . . . but he know he is neither Jesus nor a deity. But - he seems to believe it 100%.
There are countless cases of this.
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Well . . . I noticed it all the times because it is so obvious that everyone in this world feed everyone else . . .
including the criminals, disbelievers, non muslims and even animals and bacteria etc.
Therefore, it doesn't explain how Allah feed and answer peoples' prayers.
I only see human beings feed and answer peoples' prayers . . . this is clear facts.
Please proof to me when did Allah feed and answer peoples' prayers.
You might as well ask - prove me that the Almighty exists at all.
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and again, that's how they present their argument and truth . . it is their tradition rotfl
Huh? Or this is how you work . . . by sectarianism. Evidence? Read above. Look at what was put to you . . . and look how you replied.
I simply pointed out - some of your thought is akin to what is alleged about Ibn Arabi. There was no "argument" or "truth" pointed out.
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What is the issue of discussion?
Maybe it is too hard for you . .
Let me ask you a simple question . . what is your name? rotfl
"Muslims" - lost an argument. It emerged - his English is poor. But he does not understand a word of Arabic and hence cannot read the Quran. His theories are all build on clear misunderstandings.
When he cannot answer . . . he goes like this. Mildly abusive.
As to my name - it is "Amin Riadh".
Now what is your name?
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Yes you win, according to your standard . .
This is the pattern of your argument quarrel
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
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I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.Therefore, I am right . . you are wrong ! rotfl
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Yes you win, according to your standard . .
This is the pattern of your argument quarrel
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.Therefore, I am right . . you are wrong ! rotfl
Well it clearly isn't. And lest we forget . . . you are the one who went silent. Also - here we did not even have nay quarrels . . . yet you started right off.
Remember the wee statement you made? That you ain't sectarian. I guess that was not right.
Moving on. You have trouble with basics. . . like stating what your name is. What your background is. Stating what your mother tongue is.
Sorry brother - you can run forever but you cannot hide that you are not even able to read the Quran.
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as usual, blank denials and false accusations bla . . bla . . bla . . without any supporting reasons . boring giveup
"False accusations" says the one who tells me I am committing shirk based on what, Pharaoh? and then tells me I "seem insecure", then says "don't attack the messenger, attack the message" because only "Muslims" knows what that is, but can't explain it coherently or with more than 1 or 2 sporadic ayat taken out of context of the Quran.
It is you who can't even support your own theories. Who gives a crap about 0 and 1 and infinity? Do those numbers bring justice or feed people?
Speaking of justice, if humans are Allah, capable of knowing and seeing all, when it comes to the day of judgment, how do you see this going down? Will people see the intentions and all the deeds of other people? What about when they give in charity anonymously? Which human will witness it? It is impossible because humans are not omnipresent. When humans are referred to as a creation, did we also create the heavens and earth, etc?
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See? I have proven that you are incapable of making an argument . . worst, you can't even understand the issue of this thread . .
as usual . . http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606023.msg344356#msg344356
he can repeat the same pattern as much as it need, even up to 10,000 posts ... and its fun!
argumentum ad nauseam rotfl
and . . you are being off topic nope