Ambition and the Quran
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True but since this thread is about "ambition", and Allah says "properties" . . .
Therefore True Believers must have "wealth". . .
Those who do not have "wealth" cannot strive with their "properties"
It is better for them to feed themselves and not burdening other people, rather than thinking about something else. . .
Arabic word is amwaal plural of maal, I don't think it means properties. Please take a look at other translations here.
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It depends on people and their circumstances, there are many different circumstances in rl and to brush them all over with a very stringent black and white criteria is for one not realistic and two, takes the verses in a very narrow sense that would contradict other places where we told to do good with what we have in different ways. No one can argue that taking time off to teach illiterate kids is a good act, an altruistic act, it doesn't have to involve money and it would benefit society. if one has the ambition to do good, then there are a million ways of doing so regardless of financial wealth. Properties can be taken as whatever you have in terms of assets. If you don't have financial assets, doesn't necessarily mean you're out of the running. You may have other assets as valuable. God is not unaware of the realities.
Your reasoning here is as bad as that of those who want the poor shipped off to some island and left to fend for themselves since they are a burden on society. It's almost as if we're reading different books here, which we well can be since I see no evidence of such in the quran. It is unrealistic, shortsighted and absurd.Salaam,
Very well said and I agree handshake
May Allah bless you pr
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Peace,
My ambition is to serve God with all my heart and to make the world a better place, by any means that the lord
has given me at my disposal, by means of money, physical strength, wisdom, being a good example, or through
acts of kindness. To position myself were I can do the most Good. Striving is an ambitious act in itself if it is to
gain knowledge to have a positive impact on those around you, or to become a professional to cure societal or
health issues Even the ambition to become a soldier to protect one's homeland is a wonderful sacrifice. Being
rich and righteous is a very good thing because the rich can do more with more money that another who wishes
to do the same with less money all things being equal. Also ambition can be understood with the connotation
of striving which makes it easier to understand in an Islamic context.God bless
peace
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Too true brother hawk. The best ambition is to strive in the cause of God in whatever way one can. That distinguish one with faith against those who only talk.
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When you respond with 'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang', it's begging responses that will be contrary to those opinions.
Really ? Please read again . . .
Therefore, I believe True Believers are not useless, lazy or weak people (ie. worst than livestock)
True Believers are those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah, only they are the True Believers. . .
Does is it sound like what you said , "'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang'" ?
Nope. . .the True Believer are those who are "grateful" to Allah, ie. those who understand their life and use it with balance and justice.
This requires us to maximize our "sense perception", because one cannot truly be "grateful" to Allah if he have not really use his "sense perception to understand life and reality"; ie. the Deen. Those people are the dumb, blind and deaf. . they are like livestock .
And it is He who produced for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful.
23.78Then He proportioned him and breathed into him from His soul
and made for you hearing
and vision
and hearts;
little are you grateful.
32.9As we can see, there is connection between "sense perception", being grateful to Allah and the status of becoming a "True Believer".
Therefore, the True Believer are those who maximize the hearing, vision and heart to understand the signs around them, to understand reality and life . . . and use it to bring balance and justice to benefit humanity etc. It is these kind of things that we must look to determine whether one is a "True Believer". It is one of the "determining factor" of becoming a True Believer. . . Is he aware of the reality or live in illusion ?
Contradictorily, the Disbelievers are those who live in illusion (religion, wealth, property, women etc. . anything) . . .
And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts with which they do not understand <- they have wasted their sense perception
they have eyes with which they do not see
and they have ears with which they do not hearThose are like livestock; rather, they are more astray <- useless people
It is they who are the heedless
7.179Who are these people ? They are mostly those who are poor, lazy, weak etc. . . . Those who have wasted their sense perception, reality and life. Those who have no ambition in life and living in illusion or "Mutasyaabihat Context of Life", interpreting things that Allah says "No one knows except Allah", and create more divisions after the other.
And of the people are some who say,
"We believe in Allah and the Last Day,"
but they are not believers.
They deceive Allah and those who believe
but they deceive not except themselves and perceive no
In their hearts is disease
so Allah has increased their disease
and for them is a painful punishment because they used to lie.
And when it is said to them,
"Do not cause corruption on the earth,"
they say, "We are but reformers." <- reform in the name of Allah, religion etc
Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters <- creating division, and kill each other
but they perceive not. <- because they thought that what Allah want, it is religion!
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And some people are so obsessed with earthly materials that they cannot think beyond this.
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And now are we not bringing in the wrong hammer are we not? What does that verse have to do with the context here?
Self sufficient in the verse means the person thinks that he acquires things due to his own cleverness.
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Really ? Please read again . . .
Yes, really. Please read again...Therefore True Believers must have "wealth". . .
Those who do not have "wealth" cannot strive with their "properties"
It is better for them to feed themselves and not burdening other people, rather thanking about something else. . .
These are your replies and are exactly what I paraphrased in response 'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang'. In fact, you're still saying it. If you don't agree with it, it would be great if you can scrounge up quotes in your other posts saying 'i think the poor should be taken care of because i don't think most poor people are lazy buggers who should get off their asses and feed themselves' and lay this entire side issue to rest...you know, stuff unlike ' the Disbelievers are those who . . . (are deaf dumb and blind) . . . They are mostly those who are poor, lazy, weak etc. . . .who have no ambition in life and living in their illusion.' I don't need to explain why and how this sentence is horribly wrong and riddled with generalisations plus weird connections galore, and having nothing much to do with reality and/or the quran. Your wide black and white brushstrokes cutting across whole swathes of people in varying circumstances is abysmal.
If you can't and want to stick to your guns which you probably will given your spotted history, it's no skin off anyone's back but it would be advisable then to go back to the '"circumstances" . . the "issue" of this thread'. Heed this well, because your usual games, inclusive of constant repetitive and off topic postings until you get the last word, are tiresome and earn you demerits.
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Yes, really. Please read again...
These are your replies and are exactly what I paraphrased in response 'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang'. In fact, you're still saying it.
Actually, what did you understand when I said "those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah" ?
Is it about wealth alone ?
The wealth part is the answer to the issue of this thread, (refer here). .
The reality of today's world where almost everything needs money, vs. the Stone Age. -
You mean I have acted so oppositional that I have lost my right for guidance?
Can you please explain what I have done?
Is it not you who begun being arrogant, which is one of the worst traits God knows?
And also taking God's decreed words out of context just to fit into flawed arguments.
Who has lost sense perception?
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You mean I have acted so oppositional that I have lost my right for guidance?
Can you please explain what I have done?
Is it not you who begun being arrogant, which is one of the worst traits God knows?
And also taking God's decreed words out of context just to fit into flawed arguments.
Who has lost sense perception?
Since when this is about "you" and "me" ? confused
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And what does your verse have to do with the context?
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Actually, what did you understand when I said "those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah" ?
Is it about wealth alone ?
The wealth part is the answer to the issue of this thread, (refer here). .
The reality of today's world where almost everything needs money, vs. the Stone Age.Like I said, lay it to rest or get back to the topic. If this is getting back to the topic, it is not a response to my post and shouldn't be addressed to me. If this is a response to my post it is not laying anything to rest so...get back to the topic. If you do not understand this concept, please PM and do not derail this thread any further. Thanks.
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Like I said, lay it to rest or get back to the topic. If this is getting back to the topic, it is not a response to my post and shouldn't be addressed to me. If this is a response to my post it is not laying anything to rest so...get back to the topic. If you do not understand this concept, please PM and do not derail this thread any further. Thanks.
Okay. . .
"those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah" = wealth confused
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Peace,
In the context God means those who believe they acquired all their possessions due to their own cleverness.
Just like the verse with the two men with gardens.
That is why the pasting of that verse here was out of context.
Anyway the topic derailed completely and we are not answering the questions of the author of the thread.