Ambition and the Quran
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When you respond with 'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang', it's begging responses that will be contrary to those opinions.
Really ? Please read again . . .
Therefore, I believe True Believers are not useless, lazy or weak people (ie. worst than livestock)
True Believers are those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah, only they are the True Believers. . .
Does is it sound like what you said , "'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang'" ?
Nope. . .the True Believer are those who are "grateful" to Allah, ie. those who understand their life and use it with balance and justice.
This requires us to maximize our "sense perception", because one cannot truly be "grateful" to Allah if he have not really use his "sense perception to understand life and reality"; ie. the Deen. Those people are the dumb, blind and deaf. . they are like livestock .
And it is He who produced for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful.
23.78Then He proportioned him and breathed into him from His soul
and made for you hearing
and vision
and hearts;
little are you grateful.
32.9As we can see, there is connection between "sense perception", being grateful to Allah and the status of becoming a "True Believer".
Therefore, the True Believer are those who maximize the hearing, vision and heart to understand the signs around them, to understand reality and life . . . and use it to bring balance and justice to benefit humanity etc. It is these kind of things that we must look to determine whether one is a "True Believer". It is one of the "determining factor" of becoming a True Believer. . . Is he aware of the reality or live in illusion ?
Contradictorily, the Disbelievers are those who live in illusion (religion, wealth, property, women etc. . anything) . . .
And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts with which they do not understand <- they have wasted their sense perception
they have eyes with which they do not see
and they have ears with which they do not hearThose are like livestock; rather, they are more astray <- useless people
It is they who are the heedless
7.179Who are these people ? They are mostly those who are poor, lazy, weak etc. . . . Those who have wasted their sense perception, reality and life. Those who have no ambition in life and living in illusion or "Mutasyaabihat Context of Life", interpreting things that Allah says "No one knows except Allah", and create more divisions after the other.
And of the people are some who say,
"We believe in Allah and the Last Day,"
but they are not believers.
They deceive Allah and those who believe
but they deceive not except themselves and perceive no
In their hearts is disease
so Allah has increased their disease
and for them is a painful punishment because they used to lie.
And when it is said to them,
"Do not cause corruption on the earth,"
they say, "We are but reformers." <- reform in the name of Allah, religion etc
Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters <- creating division, and kill each other
but they perceive not. <- because they thought that what Allah want, it is religion!
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And some people are so obsessed with earthly materials that they cannot think beyond this.
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And now are we not bringing in the wrong hammer are we not? What does that verse have to do with the context here?
Self sufficient in the verse means the person thinks that he acquires things due to his own cleverness.
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Really ? Please read again . . .
Yes, really. Please read again...Therefore True Believers must have "wealth". . .
Those who do not have "wealth" cannot strive with their "properties"
It is better for them to feed themselves and not burdening other people, rather thanking about something else. . .
These are your replies and are exactly what I paraphrased in response 'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang'. In fact, you're still saying it. If you don't agree with it, it would be great if you can scrounge up quotes in your other posts saying 'i think the poor should be taken care of because i don't think most poor people are lazy buggers who should get off their asses and feed themselves' and lay this entire side issue to rest...you know, stuff unlike ' the Disbelievers are those who . . . (are deaf dumb and blind) . . . They are mostly those who are poor, lazy, weak etc. . . .who have no ambition in life and living in their illusion.' I don't need to explain why and how this sentence is horribly wrong and riddled with generalisations plus weird connections galore, and having nothing much to do with reality and/or the quran. Your wide black and white brushstrokes cutting across whole swathes of people in varying circumstances is abysmal.
If you can't and want to stick to your guns which you probably will given your spotted history, it's no skin off anyone's back but it would be advisable then to go back to the '"circumstances" . . the "issue" of this thread'. Heed this well, because your usual games, inclusive of constant repetitive and off topic postings until you get the last word, are tiresome and earn you demerits.
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Yes, really. Please read again...
These are your replies and are exactly what I paraphrased in response 'the calling card of "true believers" is wealth, and the poor can go hang'. In fact, you're still saying it.
Actually, what did you understand when I said "those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah" ?
Is it about wealth alone ?
The wealth part is the answer to the issue of this thread, (refer here). .
The reality of today's world where almost everything needs money, vs. the Stone Age. -
You mean I have acted so oppositional that I have lost my right for guidance?
Can you please explain what I have done?
Is it not you who begun being arrogant, which is one of the worst traits God knows?
And also taking God's decreed words out of context just to fit into flawed arguments.
Who has lost sense perception?
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You mean I have acted so oppositional that I have lost my right for guidance?
Can you please explain what I have done?
Is it not you who begun being arrogant, which is one of the worst traits God knows?
And also taking God's decreed words out of context just to fit into flawed arguments.
Who has lost sense perception?
Since when this is about "you" and "me" ? confused
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And what does your verse have to do with the context?
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Actually, what did you understand when I said "those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah" ?
Is it about wealth alone ?
The wealth part is the answer to the issue of this thread, (refer here). .
The reality of today's world where almost everything needs money, vs. the Stone Age.Like I said, lay it to rest or get back to the topic. If this is getting back to the topic, it is not a response to my post and shouldn't be addressed to me. If this is a response to my post it is not laying anything to rest so...get back to the topic. If you do not understand this concept, please PM and do not derail this thread any further. Thanks.
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Like I said, lay it to rest or get back to the topic. If this is getting back to the topic, it is not a response to my post and shouldn't be addressed to me. If this is a response to my post it is not laying anything to rest so...get back to the topic. If you do not understand this concept, please PM and do not derail this thread any further. Thanks.
Okay. . .
"those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah" = wealth confused
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Peace,
In the context God means those who believe they acquired all their possessions due to their own cleverness.
Just like the verse with the two men with gardens.
That is why the pasting of that verse here was out of context.
Anyway the topic derailed completely and we are not answering the questions of the author of the thread.
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Anyway the topic derailed completely and we are not answering the questions of the author of the thread.
For you . . maybe , but not for me because I'm highlighting the importance of "sense perception" and the "reality" as the determining factor of a True Believer. . I'm highlighting the importance not to see ourselves as self-sufficient, and the importance to be ambitious in our lives so that we can strive our properties for benefiting the society and humanity; ie. larger scale of righteousness. . . and not just 1-2 peoples.
Therefore, it is not a difficulty for the wealthy to reach in heaven. . it is what Allah has commanded us to do in the Quran.
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It is not more or less difficult for a rich person to enter Heaven. In fact the money often become a distraction just as all other earthly possessions.
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As always in your encounters you forget that kindness and good behavior is a huge portion of your faith and charity that comes with bad behavior is more or less nullified. So even if you gave 7 billion dollars but was a very nasty person to people it would mean but little.
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It is not more or less difficult for a rich person to enter Heaven. In fact the money often become a distraction just as all other earthly possessions.
I believe this pattern of thinking is okay if you live by yourself in this world . . but it doesn't work that way.
The system of Allah in the
requires many people to thank us because we have helped them
It is their prayer for us. . . (their vote to raise us as a Khalif)
The more we help and have people appreciate our existence, the more we are grateful to Allah.
In other words, it is like we say to Allah. .
"O Allah, look here!! I bring witnesses that I have helped them.
I am grateful for the life (sense perception) you have given me.
Please help me and show me the straight path. "Now. . what would happen if you have http//s.tfcdn.com/images/facebook/fb-like-icon-small.png10,000,000 votes to Allah ,
and becoming your witnesses in this life and in the Resurrection Day ?Would Allah be pleased with you ?