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Singular and Plural usage of the word sanat (year)

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    Man_of_Faith
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    I am still researching on the mystery of Arabic grammar. But if you have a definite number and then the noun it does not need a plural form as the seven is marking this condition. You use plural marker when you need it for the continuous narration, for example seven year them and the T is like a word itself even if a plural suffix marker. But it is likely only true if you are to give a particular kind of attribute to the years or else you would keep it like this and add another conjunction instead.

    It is the same in Persian where if you have six dogs then "shish-ta sag" without any plural marker. However if you refer to the dogs indefinitely then you need plural dogs "sag-ha" or you can refer to shishta sag definitely without plural.

    In the second example the narration continues without giving a conjunction so years is getting an attribute. So forty year them .. bla bla. There is no "and" such as seems in the translation you provided.

    Be of one in God

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      hafeez_kazi
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      Peace

      The Arabic rule is PLURAL from THREE to TEN and from ELEVEN onward it is SINGULAR

      See the verses of DAY, NIGHT, MONTH, SPRING, STAR, LEADER, TRIBE, GRAIN and you will find the same pattern of SINGULAR and PLURAL

      This rule helped me to discover the real meaning of AYYAME MADUDAT during HAJJ and in fasting verses. (AYYAME THREE to TEN days of fasting MADUDAT DETERMINED by the person who fasts)

      Thanks

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        Man_of_Faith
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        Hmm...

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          seekingtruth1111
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          Peace

          The Arabic rule is PLURAL from THREE to TEN and from ELEVEN onward it is SINGULAR

          See the verses of DAY, NIGHT, MONTH, SPRING, STAR, LEADER, TRIBE, GRAIN and you will find the same pattern of SINGULAR and PLURAL

          This rule helped me to discover the real meaning of AYYAME MADUDAT during HAJJ and in fasting verses. (AYYAME THREE to TEN days of fasting MADUDAT DETERMINED by the person who fasts)

          Thanks

          Peace Hafeez

          What about this verse?

          1825 Walabithoo fee kahfihim thalatha miatin sineena waizdadoo tisAAan
          1825 They remained in their cave for three hundred years, and increased nine.

          Plural form sineena is used here.

          Peace

          Abdullah

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Peace seeking,

            If you listened to what I wrote you would understand. In the one you gave example of now there is a conjunction after the word and no attribute.

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              seekingtruth1111
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              Peace seeking,

              If you listened to what I wrote you would understand. In the one you gave example of now there is a conjunction after the word and no attribute.

              Peace Man of Faith,

              I have already read what you wrote but could not understand.

              I am still researching on the mystery of Arabic grammar. But if you have a definite number and then the noun it does not need a plural form as the seven is marking this condition. You use plural marker when you need it for the continuous narration, for example seven year them and the T is like a word itself even if a plural suffix marker. But it is likely only true if you are to give a particular kind of attribute to the years or else you would keep it like this and add another conjunction instead.

              It is the same in Persian where if you have six dogs then "shish-ta sag" without any plural marker. However if you refer to the dogs indefinitely then you need plural dogs "sag-ha" or you can refer to shishta sag definitely without plural.

              In the second example the narration continues without giving a conjunction so years is getting an attribute. So forty year them .. bla bla. There is no "and" such as seems in the translation you provided.

              Be of one in God

              Could you please clarify the highlighted part of your above quote?

              Peace

              Abdullah

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Sorry if I sounded unfriendly. I will message you later.

                Be of one in God

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                  Peace seeking truth

                  The likeness of those who expend their substance in the way of Allah is as the likeness of a grain that groweth seven ears and in each ear hundred grains and Allah multiplieth unto whomsoever He listeth. Allah is Bounteous, Knowing. (2 261

                  is SINGULAR used against plural HUNDRED

                  And they tarried in their cave three hundred years and added nine. (Al-Kahf 25)

                  Three hundred become singular because of THREE and thus YEARS are mentioned in PLURAL

                  when you said to the believers, "Is it not sufficient for you that your Lord should reinforce you with three thousand angels sent down? (Aali Imraan 124)

                  THREE singular Malaaikat PLURAL

                  Yes, if you remain patient and conscious of Allah and the enemy come upon you in rage, your Lord will reinforce you with FIVE (Singular) thousand (Plural) angels having marks (Aali Imraan 125)

                  Because of singular FIVE the angels are mentioned in PLURAL

                  Hope you understand

                  Thanks

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                    Peace seeking truth

                    The likeness of those who expend their substance in the way of Allah is as the likeness of a grain that groweth seven ears and in each ear hundred grains and Allah multiplieth unto whomsoever He listeth. Allah is Bounteous, Knowing. (2 261

                    is SINGULAR used against plural HUNDRED

                    And they tarried in their cave three hundred years and added nine. (Al-Kahf 25)

                    Three hundred become singular because of THREE and thus YEARS are mentioned in PLURAL

                    when you said to the believers, "Is it not sufficient for you that your Lord should reinforce you with three thousand angels sent down? (Aali Imraan 124)

                    THREE singular Malaaikat PLURAL

                    Yes, if you remain patient and conscious of Allah and the enemy come upon you in rage, your Lord will reinforce you with FIVE (Singular) thousand (Plural) angels having marks (Aali Imraan 125)

                    Because of singular FIVE the angels are mentioned in PLURAL

                    Hope you understand

                    Thanks

                    I know, I'm probably retarded, but could you explain that again. I didn't get it. Perhaps I'm just in a brain-low right now.
                    Could you perhaps give some general, made up, examples in addition to those in the quran.... if you don't mind.
                    So, what's the relationship number-word to noun now again?

                    First of all, is it like this?

                    • one day
                    • two dayz (z=dual)
                    • three(to ten) days
                    • eleven(and up) day

                    Where do the example of the grains, 300 cave days and 5000 angels end up in this?

                    Thanks
                    Peace

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                      Mazhar
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                      It may help
                      http//sheepoo.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/nahw-let-us-count-in-arabic-and-get-a-headache.pdf

                      http//www.learnarabiconline.com/arabic-numbers.shtml

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                        Zulf
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                        It may help
                        http//sheepoo.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/nahw-let-us-count-in-arabic-and-get-a-headache.pdf

                        http//www.learnarabiconline.com/arabic-numbers.shtml

                        Thanks

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