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Is quran really easy to understand?

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    Mazhar
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    Peace Mazhar,

    Your heart is in the right place, but you just don't get it, even your translation has obvious faults like saying
    .

    Your translation is another translation that will be disputed like the rest.

    Your translation

    This Qur'aan is evocative luminous enlightenments Verbal passages enabling mental imaging communicated by
    your Sustainer Lord. And it is guidance regulatory information for aright conduct and an act of Mercy-Blessing
    for the people who accept and believe." IMHO your translation is not better but more complicated.
    A person with limited English knowledge would be better off reading other translations.

    Allah guides to the truth, the sincere believer will be guided to it rather you say so or not
    regardless of the language they speak.

    Those who believe in GOD, and hold fast to Him, He will admit them into mercy from Him,
    and grace, and will guide them to Him in a straight path.

    Thank you brother good logic for the relevant ayats

    peace

    Salamun alaika,

    I am not emphasizing about my attempted translation. I am emphasizing that we should learn the skill for real-time translation of Grand Qur'aan. This is my point of view given on the main page of my website
    Please remember that no translation of the Qur'aan will ever be exhaustive and final. The day you acquire the skill, I am sure you will render a far better and precise translation than my and my wife's effort.

    Your translation

    This Qur'aan is evocative luminous enlightenments Verbal passages enabling mental imaging communicated by
    your Sustainer Lord. And it is guidance regulatory information for aright conduct and an act of Mercy-Blessing
    for the people who accept and believe." IMHO your translation is not better but more complicated.
    A person with limited English knowledge would be better off reading other translations.

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    Yusus this is (nothing but) lights from your Lord,
    Pickthall This (Qur'an) is insight from your Lord,
    Shakir these are clear proofs from your Lord

    Nurani This Qur'aan is evocative luminous enlightenments Verbal passages enabling mental imaging communicated by your Sustainer Lord.

    Ascription, predication for this book/Qur'aan is by http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00038.%20Basr%20Ba%20Suad%20Ra%20vision/36.gif and the next two words are a prepositional phrase + possessive phrase that relate to elided adjective for the preceding noun.

    Grand Qur'aan is declared Visual imagery

    The objective of a book is accomplished when its text creates an impression in the reader's minds. A powerful tool to achieve this objective is imagery, a figure of speech, which employs words to create mental images in the mind of the reader. It makes the reader feel as if he is present in the very moment, right between the lines. Words that do not stimulate imagination are just symbols sprinkled on a blank piece of paper. Images and emotions are recreated by using vivid descriptions and comparisons with the help of sound words.
    Grand Qur'aan illustrates in a unique way by the choice of such words whereby it produces images and describes events as though were happening in front of the reader. Its vivid descriptions portray image in such manner as if it were being displayed in a live recording. The reader feels watching the past and future events visually. Let us listen the elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted

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    You the Messenger pronounce "It is a fact; evocative luminous enlightenments Verbal descriptive passages of Grand Qur'aan picturing-imaging the past and the future have since reached you; a communication from your Sustainer Lord.

    Please read details here
    Grand Qur'aan is declared Visual imagery

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      hawk99
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      #62

      I am not emphasizing about my attempted translation. I am emphasizing that we should learn
      the skill for real-time translation of Grand Qur'aan. This is my point of view given on the main
      page of my websitePlease remember that no translation of the Qur'aan will ever
      be exhaustive and final. The day you acquire the skill, I am sure you will render a far better
      and precise translation than my and my wife's effort.

      Peace Mazhar,

      I do in fact agree that learning Arabic is "one of the tools" but by itself without guidance from Allah
      we end up with academic translators who are inconsistent and devoid of full contextual understanding
      of Islam.

      Learning to speak Arabic can be considered one of the tools that fit under the umbrella of understanding
      Quran Kareem but knowing definitions is also important as is history, previous texts, but above all, Allah's
      guidance is the most important.

      Grand Qur'aan is declared Visual imagery

      The objective of a book is accomplished when its text creates an impression in the reader's minds.
      A powerful tool to achieve this objective is imagery, a figure of speech, which employs words to
      create mental images in the mind of the reader. It makes the reader feel as if he is present in
      the very moment, right between the lines. Words that do not stimulate imagination are just symbols
      sprinkled on a blank piece of paper. Images and emotions are recreated by using vivid descriptions
      and comparisons with the help of sound words.

      Grand Qur'aan illustrates in a unique way by the choice of such words whereby it produces images
      and describes events as though were happening in front of the reader. Its vivid descriptions portray
      image in such manner as if it were being displayed in a live recording. The reader feels watching the
      past and future events visually. Let us listen the elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted

      Agreed

      Above you have elucidated one of the guiding principles of how the Quran should be approached
      and that is the living reader who is a believer must see themselves involved or part of the narrative
      or "feet on the ground" which will help the reader to understand context.

      However, my conclusion remains the same and that is

      people who speak Arabic do not automatically posses the comprehension to understand
      the meanings of the Verses of the Qur?an. The comprehension is given by Allah to whom He wills
      regardless of ones language. All people who consider themselves Muslim must not hide behind excuses
      from gaining a first-hand understanding of the Book revealed by Allah, which is a guide, mercy and cure
      for them if they only make the effort to understand it themselves. Allah has held everyone responsible
      for adhering to the Qur'an, regardless of their spoken languages.

      May Allah reward both you and your wife's endeavors

      peace

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        Man_of_Faith
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        Salaam Running,

        You seem unable to distinct these two things. Quran is understandable. People misunderstand. People misunderstand Quran. Quran is still understandable. It only takes one correct understanding to prove that, rendering all the misunderstandings as traits of people, not of Quran.

        You are right and I did never deny that Qur'an is understandable. I told you that even if it is correct one needs to be able to understand it or otherwise it does not matter who understandable it is.

        That's a highly controversial opinion if you ask me. It contradicts where Quran tells us if the prophet would have changed one letter to it, God would instantly kill him. This means he still had control over his own fingers. The only thing that occurred was he recited Gods words. There is no proof of further assimilation. The idea you are propagating gives fuel for those who want to divine the prophet. To me that is setting up partners to God, equal to how some christians have done and are doing.

        I do not understand what you get such ideas from. What you you mean "to divine the prophet"? Of course the Prophet was assimilated with the realm of God or he would not have any such affinity to compose such as scripture as Qur'an.

        Although you seem to be obsessed about Qur'an whereas there are people who know such things that the Qur'an teaches without ever opened that book.

        Other qualities universal truth, power to convince at least two witnesses, non-contradiction to name a few. If you think you can produce a surah like that verbally, while reciting with no previous study then please do so and try to convince two witnesses. You don't understand that challenge is not a written one. It's challenging them to recite like prophet muhammad recited Quran.

        If one is assimilated with God they can recite the same thing as Muhammad. Unless they are not they obviously cannot. And many times where people say that he recited the real meaning of the word is "convey". And the prophet conveyed knowledge.

        They are highly suspect.

        They are not so suspect as you think. Mostly interpretation/translational errors.

        Don't worry I'm not fighting anyone. For me this is only a debate. Quran is not representing the truth? It still does. I don't know how anyone can even doubt that. Are you saying God has allowed us to change Quran so much it's impossible to understand? Did God not keep his promise of protecting it from just that? Please explain.

        The INTERPRETATION is not representing the truth. Did I not write that? And also the additional verse segregation makes the probability to misunderstand higher.

        And Qur'an is not impossible to understand because I can understand, when "I relearned what I had learned".

        I don't claim Ketaab means Quran only. But the contents of Quran still correspond entirely with the original Ketaab mentioned in Quran. It's the only physical book that has this property, thanks to Gods protection of it.

        Ketaab refers to knowledge. The knowledge is not fixated at one scripture but it is an abstract knowledge with varying ways of acquiring that knowledge. This is the delusion regarding the ketaab that it refers to book. It is this idolization of physical objects which leads to this conclusion.

        I don't claim Quran is the only ketaab. Most likely ketaab means Bible and Thora respectively in this phrase.

        It is wrong. Ketaab refers to unspecified knowledge yet the context is obvious.

        First of all, you were assuming I use ketaab as a synonym for only Quran which I dont believe is true. Second, you can't just follow the ketaab of Jesus nor Moses since it is lost for eternity as a result of human manipulation and corruption. Furthermore the ketaab called Quran informs you about this fact.

        No they are not lost forever. The knowledge of Moses is the Guidelines usually called the Ten Commandments and brief supplementary information. The knowledge of Jesus is right inside the Gospels when he elaborates on the Guidelines aka Commandments. It is not more complicated than this. That it looks like he is a son of God is a misinterpretation.

        The "ketaab" of Muhammad is also lost because people believe in rituals and stuff.

        There are many issues with your interpretation as you illustrated yourself 348 And He teaches him the Wisdom and the Wisdom? Right!

        Did I say that it refers to Wisdom? Wisdom is the ability to apply what knowledge you have. Obviously it says Knowledge and Wisdom.

        Quran is Gods ketaab not prophet Muhammads. Prophet Muhammad is dead and not coming back.

        Affirmative. That Muhammad is dead and not coming back.

        Read carefully, I said SUCH PERSON, i.e. a similar person in paraphrased English.

        Have faith

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          drfazl
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          Quran is for perception and rehearsal; and then to re-cite the Signs of it that we each appreciated in our applied life in truth to the people of the world. Allah alone can teach us what He intends by each and every ayat to each and every individual at any point of time all through our lives. Never shall we resort to the man invented physical dictionary sort of meanings and render Quran null for the unknown morrow.

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