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Hey guest,
I visualise you living in a cave in Afghanistan and typing away in this forum.
Are you for real?
Can you have a forward looking outlook? or are you like some who refuse to sit on a sofa
because in the time of the Prophet there was none?
Don't you see why the Muslims are so backward, because of backward thinking like yours, and
more to the point, an inability to grasp a big picture, and getting lost in details and false logic.
For any human being since the dawn of humanity, they saw the sun revolving around the earth,
so it appeared to them as if (this is relative motion) the Sun revolves around the Earth.
The Quran is very subtle, read it subtly, I am really always amazed and disappointed at the
ignorance of the Sunnis or Shias, who can be pretty intelligent, but when it comes to issues of
Deen, it is like their heart gets clouded over by a deep fog.
How can you separate Deen and day to day life, are you out of your mind.
Your Qareen is indeed very powerful... -
- Southern/Central Arabian dialect (see ?warkh? used to mean month)
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean.htm
Peace all,
After an extensive search, it appear that the recent spoken Amharic language (Ethiopian) is identical to what you thought is the Root Language of Quran... even the word Warkh still used between Ethiopians and means Month brickwall
months ( )
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/w?rat/Therefore, your claiming of the Sabaean Language to be the authentic Quranic Language= Zero
Please study the following to learn about the Original Quranic Language
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcq_VmEBG0
It is the Semitic language what appears to be the root of the Islamic Arabic language. This relationship places Arabic firmly in the Afro-Asiatic group of world languages.
Please do your own search, using valid and reliable sources if you want to argue.I can quote Italian, English and Spanish words that has an Arabic root...does that make the Languages relate to each others, and can be used to understand its authentic meanings?
- Southern/Central Arabian dialect (see ?warkh? used to mean month)
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You are in over your head in things that you have zero knowledge of. Can you please show everyone where the Arabic letters Thaa , Khaa , Thaal , Dhad , Thah and Ghain are in your table? As I said, unlike the Sabaic South Arabia dialect, Aramaic (and the Nabataean Aramaic variation) are not even Arabian languages. They are foreign languages and therefore only have 22 letters while Arabian dialects have 28 letters. Unlike you, I will not lie and say that you are brainless since the god gave you a brain. I will say that if you used your god-given brain then you would have seen this fact from your own figure instead of just blindly posting stuff you have no knowledge of.
Peace,
Ayman
Your answer can be found in this study...It shows how these letters evolved .
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabic_inscriptions
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Peace everyone,
Your answer can be found in this study...It shows how these letters evolved .
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabic_inscriptionsThis just demonstrates that Belal is still clueless about the difference between letters (script) and language.
Here is another pre-Islamic Arabian inscription showing the word "yarkh" to mean "month" and this one uses the Nabataean Aramaic letters.
http//i25.tinypic.com/212etdw.gif
From
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/raqush.htmlPeace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
Ayman, Here is my gift for you from the same link
these are some of the early Arabic scripts that is written on the wall of the True Kabba.
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/DoTR.htmlAnd your point is? Or do you just like to show off that you revere a shrine you named Kaaba which is built for a filthy rock that people idolize?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
And your point is? Or do you just like to show off that you revere a shrine you named Kaaba which is built for a filthy rock that people idolize?
Peace,
Ayman
rotfl Did I trigger your Stressful Hormones; Now you are calling the Kabba in Macca and the Dom of the Rock in Jerusalem FILTHY ROCK .
Here is another gift for you that will trigger a huge dose of the Stressful Hormons
You saidPeace everyone,
This just demonstrates that Belal is still clueless about the difference between letters (script) and language.
Here is another pre-Islamic Arabian inscription showing the word "yarkh" to mean "month" and this one uses the Nabataean Aramaic letters.
http//i25.tinypic.com/212etdw.gif
From
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/raqush.htmlPeace,
Ayman
above you said Yarkh (ك = Month; after my search, it appears that God used the Word Yarkh in the Great Reading (Quran)
26218 The One who sees you when you stand.
26218Should Ayman now withdraw his argument about the word Month in Arabic? or should He propose a new translation to the above verse to be
26218 The One who MOTH you when you stand.
Ayman, it is your time to shut down your Argument until you further study this subject...otherwise, you are making a fool of yourself in front of us and your kids.
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Here is another gift for you that will trigger a huge dose of the Stressful Hormons
You said
above you said Yarkh (ك = Month; after my search, it appears that God used the Word Yarkh in the Great Reading (Quran)26218 The One who sees you when you stand.
26218Should Ayman now withdraw his argument about the word Month in Arabic? or should He propose a new translation to the above verse to be
26218 The One who MONTH you when you stand.
Oh my God, i thought you belal, were an arabic speaker !!!! What's this ? are you kidding us ? where do you see (yaraaka) , in the quoted pre-islamic inscription ??? moreover, you highlited it in red !!! = (yarkh)
month = not !!!! are you blind ?? (if so, don't fast laugh)
= sees you
= + = in month
do you read "yaraaka" the same way that you read "yarkh" ? what's this ?????????????????????
if you wrote this at the beginning of this thread, i would have ignored you by now, and it is what everyone here would have done ! And this thread would have been much shorter !
it's ABSOLUTLY USELESS to talk with you . Sorry, i wasted my time with such ignorant and extremely mulish person as you ...
take arabic lessons or start learning salsa, no more options ...you're as far from Quran as the Sun from Pluto !!
Ayman, it is your time to shut down your Argument until you further study this subject...otherwise, you are making a fool of yourself in front of us and your kids.
just replace "Ayman" by "belh" and you will get a reasonable phrase.
P.S it's very clear that it is either your eyes or your brain (surely both) that are sooo stressful.
tututututututututututututut !
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Oh my God, i thought you belal, were an arabic speaker !!!! What's this ? are you kidding us ? where do you see (yaraaka) , in the quoted pre-islamic inscription ??? moreover, you highlited it red !!! = (yarkh)
month = not !!!! are you blind ?? (if so, don't fast laugh)
= see you
= + = in month
do you read yarraka the same way that you read yarkh ? what's this ? ????????????????????
just replace "Ayman" by "belh" and you will get a reasonable phrase.
tututututututututututututut !
I have been searching the Quran for the words that Ayman suggested to be Month (Yarkh and Wark) and the close that I can get is the Word I showed 'Yarraka...of course this word meaning has nothing to do with the word Ayman suggested, but that is the close as it can get. Can you see that Ayman instead of admiting that Shahar is the right word for Month, He is Posting Semitic Words and Aramic words.
If you want to continue diffending your Lord, let Him show us a True Arabic Word for Month...after all he have showed that the Word Month has been used for thausand of years in different languages, but why not in Arabic language. Does that tell you that Shaher is the Word?
I hope you can see the struggle we are going through with Ayman and his followers...Again
What is the Authantic ARABIC word that is Equal to the English Word "MONTH".
Please Post an Arabic Quotation and not other language if you want to end this in a mutual agreement...Otherwise, I will keep taking this thread as a game in which Stupidity is allowed.
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Peace all
Please Copy the following word (Shahr) and paste in the following link that has FOUR Classic ARABIC dictionaries.
http//www.lexilogos.com/english/arabic_dictionary.htm
You will note that all the dictionaries translate it to "Month"...Is this a reliable and valid argument that Shahar is the True Meaning of "Month"?
I think I'm done with the Shahar = Month Argument.
Peace all
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BelH
I had asked you a question too.
What is your criteria for making a month consisting of 30 days?
siki
Per God's instructions in the Quran, the Bible, and the Old Testement to use the Moon Cycle period to calculate the Month length (it can be 29 or 30 days)
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I have been searching the Quran for the words that Ayman suggested to be Month (Yarkh and Wark) and the close that I can get is the Word I showed 'Yarraka...of course this word meaning has nothing to do with the word Ayman suggested, but that is the close as it can get.
Very poor argument..
let's reverse it Let's take the word "" ( Authentic arabic word that equals the english word "week", as you previously answered) . if i decided to look for it in the quran, then i quoted this word ( = the lion) as it is the most close word one can get from the quran and because the quran doesn't mention the word "week"/"" at all? What you would have treated me of ?? Ignorant? liar ? hypocrite? stubborn? satan worshiper ? idiot ? dumb ? blind? brainless ? dark agency follower ? donkey ? arrogant ? zero knowledge ? clueless ? non-sense champion? lock-hearted ? Astrayed ? disbeliever ? looser ? piggish ? What would you have said ????????
What is the Authantic ARABIC word that is Equal to the English Word "MONTH".
It depends on what do you mean by authentic arabic language .
1 - If you mean northern/southern pre-islamic old arabic then month is "yarkh/warkh" ( / ).
Although it doesn't appear in the quran (the word either) . It doesn't mean that they don't exist in human manmade calendars.
2 - If you mean post islamic classical arabic, then month is "shahr" (ر , the same as full-moon, as long as i it is (the full moon) the obvious marker of the moon.Otherwise, I will keep taking this thread as a game in which Stupidity is allowed.
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Another stupid argument !
Salam
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Per God's instructions in the Quran, the Bible, and the Old Testement to use the Moon Cycle period to calculate the Month length (it can be 29 or 30 days)
Then why did you reply me with 60 days? why not 58 or 59 days?
(when i asked you the question, "if God asks you to do something for two months , how many days in total you would do it for" ?)
siki
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Peace all
Please Copy the following word (Shahr) and paste in the following link that has FOUR Classic ARABIC dictionaries.
http//www.lexilogos.com/english/arabic_dictionary.htm
You will note that all the dictionaries translate it to "Month"...Is this a reliable and valid argument that Shahar is the True Meaning of "Month"?
I think I'm done with the Shahar = Month Argument.
Peace all
CAN YOU READ ARABIC? YES OR NO ?
Anyway, i did copy paste the word "" in the link you provided. here is the answer
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.Assuming you can read arabic (which is not very sure) , tell us what's the main meaning of ?
Everyone can read (except you) that it means most of the time , something obvious/wellknown..and everyone can read (except you) that only one of its meaning can be "month". And this is because it is related to a (shahar/obvious) moon . ie. full moon.As you can see, the only source claiming that means crescent (ل is a hadithic source...
the hadith says "fast the shahr and it's secret part " " it leaves no doubt, even from a hadith source (lol) that the moon has its obvious part " / full moon" and its secret part " / crescent".
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Peace quickduck
good work!Peace belH
your obsession, and guest's obsession with the moon is surely unhealthy...Peace guest
of course you are not a Prophet, thank God for that, but you certainly act like one.
who gives you the right to be Allah's spokesperson, does He need you to be? and more to the
point as He does not need anyone, does He want you to be?
When I read the Quran I feel very comfortable, and complete, when I read your explanations, which
are very similar to the kind of arguments that any sectarian will give to defend hadith based fallacies,
I feel extremely uncomfortable in my body and mind, these are for me Allah's Signs of what is right and
what is false.
You take matters out of their context and build arguments as a base for systems that Allah has not authorised,
be they sunna, shia, sufi...
The first ones who are at the source of these are the worst criminals in Islam's history, and you are just one of their repeaters,
followers, and apologists.
Let us take the moon, you take it out of its context, which is the earth and the sun, and you do the same with the sun, and then you build a story that suits a pagan ritual in which you replace the name Baal (Moon God) will Allah, this is Lucifer playing..., and you wonder why the moon is ever present on the mosque minarets, and on the "muslim" emblems?
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Hi all, Peace,
just a thought....
new moon depends on our geographical location on earth, it can start at J for some and J+1 for others regardless of the hemisphere (north or south).
Then logically for some "laylat al qadr" will be at one night and for the others it will be at one night +1. So the same month we have 2 laylat al qadr!!!!!
This is IMPOSSIBLE as per surat 97.
This test failed!So either we use the astronomical definition of the new moon, where moon earth and sun are synchronized and therefore it means that WE CANNOT WITNESS IT.
as per 2185.
This test failed!In the other case we can say or think, it (new moon) has to be at prophete Muhamad's location! But then someone in New Zeeland has to know and or follow the news coming from Mecca (Muhamad supposed location) to know when he needs to start the fast, which is possible today but was not possible 50 years ago, and we don't know if it will be still possible in the future.
So not easy to determined.
This test failed!Peace
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Anyway, i did copy paste the word "" in the link you provided. here is the answer
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Assuming you can read arabic (which is not very sure) , tell us what's the main meaning of ?
Everyone can read (except you) that it means most of the time , something obvious/wellknown..and everyone can read (except you) that only one of its meaning can be "month". And this is because it is related to a (shahar/obvious) moon . ie. full moon........
The Dictionary argument (which you returned against yourself, lol) is not the ONLY argument for"shahr" doesn't mean "month"
let's not forget that
1 - As Ayman enphacised before, GOD did "anzala" the quran in ONE NIGHT as per 971...but HE did "nazzala" the same quran during the rest of prophet's life (assumed to be 23 years) . the difference between "nazzala" and "anzala" is very known to arabic speakers, which is not the case of belal, guest neither nunpseudoholidayrex...(anzala is "punctual" while nazzala is "continuous" within a period).
Therefore, as per 2185, "shahr ramadan" can only mean one night because GOD uses the same word "anzala" and not "nazzala" in both verses (971 and 2185).2 - logical analysis of 2185 leads us to deduce that it is impossible that "shahr ramadan" can be one month, because you cannot "have witnessed" (past tense) the month before you go back in time and fast it .
3 - God emphacised that abstinence is for few days (min 3 - max 10 ) , so it would be illogical to claim that shahr means month (quranically speaking, because in daily arabic, one friday can also mean one week from friday to friday, one summer can also mean a year from one summer to the other, etc...)....
4 - as per 936, you can not "count" 12 months but only 12 full moons in a solar cycle.
so if you, Belal or whoever, wants to disapprove that shahr = one night , you'll have to "debunk" those 4+1= 5 arguments at the same time, not only the dictionary one .
Salam
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Peace herbman,
why fail?
the Quran was revealed in Middle East Time, so?
on Earth you cannot escape relative times wherever you are - you need a point of reference ( a time frame)...
as for God's Time, I do not think there is any... that is only for us...
so using lunar or luni-solar, you will still have days that will "fall" in different seasons
but they are the same days.
The leylat Qadr Day was a special day when the Quran was revealed (or downloaded to use a word that now defines it even better), it was a full moon in Jerusalem just after the Summer Solstice, and wherever else you were on the globe
whatever the moon phase that was the day.
There is no test to be applied, irrelevant... your brain-storming idea is not useful, throw it in the bin.
As for the people in New Zealand, they had their own messengers at the time, tough for them, Mohamed's
message had not reached them yet ;DSalam
Noble
Hi all, Peace,
just a thought....
new moon depends on our geographical location on earth, it can start at J for some and J+1 for others regardless of the hemisphere (north or south).
Then logically for some "laylat al qadr" will be at one night and for the others it will be at one night +1. So the same month we have 2 laylat al qadr!!!!!
This is IMPOSSIBLE as per surat 97.
This test failed!So either we use the astronomical definition of the new moon, where moon earth and sun are synchronized and therefore it means that WE CANNOT WITNESS IT.
as per 2185.
This test failed!In the other case we can say or think, it (new moon) has to be at prophet Muhamad's location! But then someone in New Zeeland has to know and or follow the news coming from Mecca (Muhamad supposed location) to know when he needs to start the fast, which is possible today but was not possible 50 years ago, and we don't know if it will be still possible in the future.
So not easy to determined.
This test failed!Peace