Hot/"ramadan" Answer

siki

Salaam Siki,

You can then look forward to fast-free time, July being the month of monsoons in the Indian sub continent and a thick cloud cover is likely absolve you from any obligation to fast. Smile ,another reason to welcome Monsoons.

My dear Farida and Nun

salam,

" Who so ever witnesses" If one has to literly witness the moon for fasting, then the same applies for sighting the cresent (Ahilla). And let me tell you that if the metrological conditions are not favorable , there is still a fair chance that one can make out the full moon , but sighting the cresent moon is not nope possible.

But why are we getting in to this ? we dont have to, nor is the blind man excused. The word witness simply ensures that whe all fast in the hottest possible, and for the longest duration, weather we live in the Northren hemisphere or down under.

And as the mankind has better tools avaiable to pin point Red moon at every Lat and Long, so a calender can be made for every region.

By the way, '( July days are longest, hottest, sun sun and very humid &, and I guess I have managed to get my fasting stuck around this month for the rest of my life ( .

peace

siki

farida

My dear Farida and Nun

salam,
" Who so ever witnesses" If one has to literally witness the moon for fasting, then the same applies for sighting the crescent (Ahilla). And let me tell you that if the metrological conditions are not favorable , there is still a fair chance that one can make out the full moon , but sighting the cresent moon is not nope possible.
siki

Salaam Siki,
I/we do not believe in the literal sighting of the moon as a basis for fasting. Otherwise we would be excluding, not only the blind, but also the partial sighted, actually we are satisfied with the crescent as a marker for the beginning of a month. yes even web/satellite viewing would do.
The example of a crescent is like a person born and a full moon is the state of his prime and then comes the decline towards old age. hmm

But why are we getting in to this ? we dont have to, nor is the blind man excused. The word witness simply ensures that whe all fast in the hottest possible, and for the longest duration, weather we live in the Northren hemisphere or down under
And as the mankind has better tools avaiable to pin point Red moon at every Lat and Long, so a calender can be made for every region..

Try telling this to Ayman and his team and also Umme Tariq and Truth seeker! who" Despite being new you have contributed positively and have given this subject a refreshing lift with mature and logical comprehension."

By the way, '( July days are longest, hottest, sun sun and very humid &, and I guess I have managed to get my fasting stuck around this month for the rest of my life .

Why very humid ???

peace
Ps I hope Nun can adress your Red moon suggestion.

truthseeker11

Peace Umm Tariq and Ayman,

However, since this part of the verse ends with 'ajalahunna an yadana hamlahunna', those who didn't/ haven't menstruated may not be pregnant so they have no 'haml', so how long would they really wait?

That is exactly my question too. The words are "yada'na hamlahunna" meaning "they deliver their burdens/pregnancy" which signifies an EVENT and not a TIME PERIOD. It cannot be interpreted as "gestation period".

Why can't "lam yahidna" mean those who never had menstruation (primary amenorrhea)?

truthseeker11

Peace Siki,

Umme Tariq and Truth seeker! Despite being new you have contributed positively and have given this subject a refreshing lift with mature and logical comprehension.

Thank you for the kind and positive words. May The God guide us all to the truth.

truthseeker11

Peace everyone,

It seams that Ayman and his sect are trying to cover up the Truth that I posted regarding the Month calculation in the Bible and Torah. the following is a Quotion from http//www.crivoice.org/calendar.html, which shows that God always wanted the True Submitter to calculate the Month using the Moon Cycel

The system of keeping time in the Old Testament was based on the cycles of the moon rather than a solar calendar like we use today. In fact, the Hebrew term for "month," chodesh, means "new ," referring to the new moon that began the month. The lunar cycle played a significant role in the cultural and religious life in ancient Israel so that time could be counted by the cycles of the moon (Ex. 191). The New Moon was a festival day, observed by burnt offering and sacrifices as well as banquets (Num 296, 1 Sam 205, 1 Chron 2331). The New Moon festival was often listed along with Sabbath as an important religious observance (2 Kings 423, Ezek 4517). Like Sabbath and other rituals, it also came to symbolize empty and self-centered religion when not accompanied by faithfulness to God in other areas (Isa. 114, Amos 85). Likewise, the middle of the month or the Full Moon was an important marker of the passing of time. Two of Israel?s most important festivals fell in mid-month (Passover, Tabernacles; cf. Psa 813).

Now; it seams that Ayman and his followers are rejecting the Quran, the Bible, and the Torah.

By the way Truthseeker1, I'm still waiting for you to post the weather trend in "Madena" as you did for Mecca. ;D

Firstly, I never referenced any website about Mecca's weather
Secondly, I did reference a website about Medina's weather. It is not my fault that Belal cannot see it.

I have no cure for spiritual inability to see (

Logical fallacies in Belal's post

Appeal to tradition where a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it has a long-standing tradition behind it
Argumentum ad populum ("appeal to belief", "appeal to the majority", "appeal to the people&quot where a proposition is claimed to be true solely because many people believe it to be true
Bare assertion fallacy premise in an argument is assumed to be true purely because it says that it is true.
Package-deal fallacy when two or more things have been linked together by tradition or culture are said to stay that way forever
Argument from repetition (argumentum ad nauseam)
Begging the question ("petitio principii&quot where the conclusion of an argument is implicitly or explicitly assumed in one of the premises
False attribution when an advocate appeals to an irrelevant, unqualified, unidentified, biased or fabricated source in support of an argument.
Cherry picking the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

we are satisfied with the crescent as a marker for the beginning of a month.

Two questions

WHICH crescent (waxing or waning) is to be used to begin fasting per The Quran?
WHEN does that crescent occur during a year in relation to fasting per The Quran?

truthseeker11

Peace Samia, others,

This is my understanding of verse 654

I think the first part is clear Those who are desperate of menustration have their 3idda three full moons. (If you are in doubt) covers those who are semi menopausal, i.e those who start to have spaced menustrations (e.g every 4 or 6 months or even more spaced).

The second part covers pregnant women, whether they stopped menustrating during their pregnancy or continue to have their periods. So, even if a woman has her menses during her pregnancy, she will still have her 3idda by giving birth and not by counting three menses. Taking (those who did not have their menses) as those who did not have their menses yet is illogical, because the verse says their 3idda is by giving birth. What if she was not pregnant?

So we have two categories of women
1- Definite menopausal and semi menopausal = 3 full moons.
2- Pregnant whether menustarting during their pregnancy or not = delivery

Thank you Samia for your understanding. This is the same as my initial understanding.

I think the two groups are

Waallaee ya-isna mina almaheedi min nisa-ikum ini irtabtum (those women who have despaired/given up from the menstruation, if you are doubtful). This would include all the women who have stopped menstruating because of menopause or other reasons excluding pregnancy but "you" are doubtful as to whether "they" have actually stopped menstruating due to those reasons.
Waallaee lam yahidna wa olatual ahmali (those who haven't menstruated and are pregnant). This would include all those women who were menstruating regularly but haven't menstruated since divorce due to pregnancy.

Please not that "waallaee" separates the two groups and there is no "waallaee" between "lam yahidna" and "olatual ahmali".

Let me give an example

If I say to a class "Those students who are tall and are wearing a white shirt, stand up", I will mean those students who are tall as well as wearing white shirt, i.e. they have to fulfil both criteria.

If I had meant all tall students and all those wearing white shirt (including the ones who are not tall), I would have said "Those students who are tall and those who are wearing a white shirt", i.e. I would have used two "waallaee".

"Lam yahidna wa olatual ahmali" would mean "Those who haven't menstruated AS WELL AS are pregnant".

"Lam yahidna" cannot mean those who never had menstruation because then it will create a logical contradiction with "yada'na hamlahunna". Therefore, the women who never menstruated (primary amenorrhea) will be excluded and will have no interim because it is certain that they are not pregnant and it is certain that they don't have menstruations.

The words are "yada'na hamlahunna" meaning "they deliver their burdens/fetuses" which signifies an EVENT and not a TIME PERIOD. It cannot be interpreted as "gestation period".

Samia

But what does "desperate" really mean? They (the women) are desperate of menstruation tells me that they completely gave up. So they don't think they will ever have any menstruation (whether in 4, 6, or 100 months). "If you are in doubt" is not saying that the women themselves are in doubt. If the women thought that they might get the menstruation every 4 or 6 months as you say then they wouldn't be "despaired of menstruation". Also, in this case waiting for the count of three full-moons doesn't accomplish anything. Since they could very well be pregnant. Absent of a pregnancy test, the only way to know if they are pregnant or not is if they start showing the signs of pregnancy which may not necessarily appear within the three full-moons or even longer.

Logically, the only way to guarantee that those women are not pregnant is to either wait for three menstruations or the gestation period, whichever comes first. This leads me to your next point.

Salaam Ayman

You're right in the underlined part, my mistake. But still I have another understanding. Maybe it is those women who make believe they are still menustrating, but because, say, of their age, you are in doubt; or they bleed for another reason. Since we have two ways in the verse to count the 3idda, we have to exclude these women from the possibility of being pregnant.

I think that "women who didn't menstruate" refers to those women who didn't menstruate for any reason (known or unkown) since the time of the divorce. In this case, it is not known if she has amenorrhea or if she is semi menopausal or actually became menopause and the key is that unlike the first group, this woman hasn't DESPAIRED of menstruation.

Why would she wait until delivery? How long before she finds she was not pregnant?

As I understand, there are two groups Those who can't be pregnant (menopausal and those who believe they are not but we doubt that) and those who are pregnant (those who have their menustrations stop during pregnancy and those who continue their menustartion during pregnancy).

belH

Current debate has certainly helped me cross a threshold where , if i have to pick purely on evidence (only God knows the truth) , I would change to fasting in the summers after the Red Moon.

hypno

Even after knowing that the Quran, the Bible and the Torah are calling for Luner Year?
But, it is your Free-well to choose; but I will be witnessing aginest you in the Judgment Day. See you there yes

Umm_Tariq

Peace Belalhammad,

I don't want to get into a big discussion but what if I told you that there are Christians who believe that the real message in the Bible points to a luni-solar calendar as well and it's 'tradition' that said otherwise? http//www.4angelspublications.com/lunisoloar.html
They are also considered 'nuts' by 'traditionalists'. You can debate with them if you like. Anyway, the reading is 'muhaiman' over what is before it and there are known falsehoods in these books as they are now so we know to reject those falsehoods only based on the reading. We believe that initially they were sent from Allah, His books, but we know that they have been corrupted, hence, the need and mercy for our Lord to send us this book and then promise to protect this message. One of the women is a very nice lady, I consider her a believer since she says that she believes Muhammad was a prophet and that the 'quran' is from the god. She is still studying and I hope you don't offend her.

Umm Tariq

belH

Peace Belalhammad,

I don't want to get into a big discussion but what if I told you that there are Christians who believe that the real message in the Bible points to a luni-solar calendar as well and it's 'tradition' that said otherwise? http//www.4angelspublications.com/lunisoloar.html

A Big discussion is what started in this thread 3 weeks ago; A Big discussion that what made the viewer of this thread to reach over 6000 after it was only 800 three weeks ago (this thread started in 2004).

The Majorty of Christian follow Luni-Solar year scince the invantion of the new Calender (Luni-Solar) 500 years ago. The one who are considered nuts are the ones who are holding in thier Book, and they are the ones who call for Lunar Year. Evidences are Easter, Passover, Tabernacles that fall at the same time every year; and that is what Ayman and you are trying to accomplish with Rammadan.

Anyway, the reading is 'muhaiman' over what is before it and there are known falsehoods in these books as they are now so we know to reject those falsehoods only based on the reading.

The Quran Confirms the other books; hence, the Lunar Year calculation
(6-96, 10-5, 55-5, 39-5). In other words, both the Quran and Torah agree in Lunar Year.
If you are calling the Lunar Year to be a Falsehood, then you are calling the Quran, the Bible and Torah Falsehood.
I warn you, Fear Allah while you have time; otherwise, you will loose the Eternal Life.

Tlepsh

Peace

The following translations are taken from Progressive Muslims. Can you please compare these verses and comment? Is studying quran what is meant by Siyam?

73.20 Your Lord knows that you rise a little less than two thirds of the night, and half of it, and one third of it, as well as a group of those who are with you. And God measures the night and the day. He knows that you will not be able to keep-up, so He pardons you. So study what is made easy of the Quran. He knows that there will be sick among you, and others that venture out in the land seeking from God?s bounty, and others who are fighting in the cause of God, so study what you can of it. And hold the contact-method and contribute towards betterment and give God a loan of righteousness. And whatever you put forth yourselves, you will find it with God, for it is better and a greater reward. And seek God?s forgiveness, for God is Forgiving, Merciful.

2.187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God?s boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous.

2.184 A few number of days. Whoever of you is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days; and as for those who can do so but with difficulty, they may redeem by feeding the needy. And whoever does good voluntarily, then it is better for him. And if you fast it is better for you if you knew.

farida

Salaam Ayman

You're right in the underlined part, my mistake. But still I have another understanding. Maybe it is those women who make believe they are still menustrating, but because, say, of their age, you are in doubt; or they bleed for another reason. Since we have two ways in the verse to count the 3idda, we have to exclude these women from the possibility of being pregnant.

Why would she wait until delivery? How long before she finds she was not pregnant?

As I understand, there are two groups Those who can't be pregnant (menopausal and those who believe they are not but we doubt that) and those who are pregnant (those who have their menustrations stop during pregnancy and those who continue their menustartion during pregnancy).

fftopic
hmm

Salaam farida

I am not the one wondering what colour the moon is or what size it should be or when in order to fast. I just took the other option and decided to feed the poor. Look into the mirror.

peace

ayman

Peace Truthseeker, Samia,

I think the two groups are

Waallaee ya-isna mina almaheedi min nisa-ikum ini irtabtum (those women who have despaired/given up from the menstruation, if you are doubtful). This would include all the women who have stopped menstruating because of menopause or other reasons excluding pregnancy but "you" are doubtful as to whether "they" have actually stopped menstruating due to those reasons.
Waallaee lam yahidna wa olatual ahmali (those who haven't menstruated and are pregnant). This would include all those women who were menstruating regularly but haven't menstruated since divorce due to pregnancy.
Please not that "waallaee" separates the two groups and there is no "waallaee" between "lam yahidna" and "olatual ahmali".

I agree with group 1.

On group 2, the terms "allaee" and "olatu" serve approximately the same function, the first is "those who" stopped menstruating since the divorce and the second is "those with" a load (carrying a baby). You can reverse the order and say "olatu alahmali wa allaee lam yahidna" and the meaning is the same. So those are two separate categories within group 2. Now for the category of those who are pregnant there is no issue since at the time of the divorce it is known that they are pregnant. So if they are divorced 5 minutes before they give birth, their waiting time is 5 minutes.

There is also very low risk with group 1 since they had already despaired from menstruation prior to the divorce so their waiting period is ZERO or 3 full-moons if you (not they) are in doubt. The highest risk is the other category of group 2. They are the ones who stopped menstruating since the divorce. For those, there are two possibilities

They are pregnant.
They are not pregnant.

If they are pregnant then they automatically fall into the category of "pregnant" above.

If they are not pregnant then two things will happen

They may suddenly start menstruating again at anytime. In this case, since they haven't despaired of menstruation, they would fall back into the category of menstruating women who wait for 3 menstruations.
They may not menstruate for the 9-10 months maximum gestation period. In this case, after a while they will know for sure that they are not pregnant and hence move into the category of "despaired from menstruation".

Peace,

Ayman

belH

Peace All

Here is another Sign from your Lord

(&#1634

Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; then He established Himself on the Throne; He has subjected the sun and the moon! Each one runs for an appointed period. He doth regulate all affairs explaining the Signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord. (13-2)

The Sun and The Moon Run for an Appointed and Known Period.

The Known period of the Sun is from Sun Rise to the next Sun Rise?One day. For thousands of year since God Created the Sun, the Sun appears the same way every day. If the Sun has another Appointed Period beside Day and Night calculation, God would have appointed it in Quran or Bible or Torah (by saying that the Month has 30 days or year has 365 days)

The Known and appointed Period of the Moon is the Moon Stages (10-5, 36-39). Thus, from the beginning of the Moon Cycle to the End is the Appointed Period. Such Period is known in the Quran, the Bible, and Torah. And we calculate from the Waxing Crescent (the New Moon) to the Next Waxing Crescent (The Mark of the new next period).

Unless Ayman and his Sect provide a period that is Appointed by God in His Books, They are Misleading you.

DO NOT FOLLOW ANY ONE EXECPT ALLAH?S WORDS

Salam and may God Lead you to the Truth

afridi220

By the way Truthseeker1, I'm still waiting for you to post the weather trend in "Madena" as you did for Mecca. ;D

Salaaaaam

salam bilal

Why are you so lost; it was not Mecca, but Madena; The Madena Weather is simmilar to Jordan.
Now go and find the same information for Madena and post it if you are looking after showing the truth

It was me I posted that calendar and choose not to respond the reason....

Quran was revealed in Mecca and not in Madina. hail

peace

ayman

Peace Afridi,

Quran was revealed in Mecca and not in Madina. hail

No it wasn't

http//www.free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm

Peace,

Ayman

truthseeker11

Peace everyone,

I was thinking hard about the "shahr" issue and asking God for guidance when suddenly He drew my attention to two key signs that establish once in for all that "shahr" can only mean "full-moon" in al-quran. I don't think anyone has considered this aspect before so I want to share this with all of you.

I am really excited about this ! yay

1712 And We made the night and the day as two signs, so We erased the sign of night and We made the sign of day to see-in, that you may seek bounty from your Lord, and that you may know the number of the years and the count. And everything We have detailed completely.

This sign makes it crystal clear that a year is solar according to al-quran.

Now let's see the following sign

936 The count of the "shahr" with God is twelve "shahr" in God?s record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous.

This sign makes it clear that the count of "shahr" is twelve.

Now, if "shahr" means month, and as per al-quran phases of moon can be used as timing mechanism (105, 2189), then let's see how many lunar months can be counted in a solar year (assuming a lunar month is from waxing crescent to waxing crescent, or full-moon to full-moon, both will theoretically make no difference as to the count of lunar months). A solar year can be from summer solstice to summer solstice or winter solstice to winter solstice or the current solar calendar can be used. Again this will make no difference as far as the count of "shahr" is concerned.

2006 lunar months

Jan 29 - Feb 27
Feb 28 - Mar 28
Mar 29 - April 26
April 27 - May 26
May 27 - Jun 24
Jun 25 - Jul 24
Jul 25 - Aug 22
Aug 23 - Sep 21
Sep 22 - Oct 21
Oct 22 - Nov 19
Nov 20 - Dec 19

As we can clearly see, the COUNT of the lunar months in 2006 was 11, NOT 12 as per al-quran.

2007 lunar months

Jan 19 - Feb 16
Feb 17 - Mar 18
Mar 19 - Apr 17
Apr 17 - May 15
May 16 - Jun 14
Jun 15 - Jul 13
Jul 14 - Aug 11
Aug 12 - Sep 10
Sep 11 - Oct 10
Oct 11 - Nov 8
Nov 9 - Dec 8

As we can clearly see again, the COUNT of the lunar months in 2007 was 11, NOT 12 as per al-quran.

In fact, the count of lunar months in a solar year will be 11 for 2 years in a row and then 12 in the third year. But according to al-quran the count of "shahr" is always 12.

Therefore "shahr" CANNOT MEAN LUNAR MONTH in al-quran.

On the other hand, if we count the full-moons in a solar year, WE WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO COUNT 12 FULL-MOONS EVERY YEAR and every 3rd year the 13th full-moon will not be counted.

This proves beyond any shadow of doubt that "shahr" CAN ONLY MEAN FULL-MOON in al-quran.

Indeed, God has detailed everything completely relevant to our guidance as per 1712. The answer was always staring in the face; it is us who don't understand sometimes! May God guide us all to the truth.

afridi220

Peace everyone,

I was thinking hard about the "shahr" issue and asking God for guidance when suddenly He drew my attention to two key signs that establish once in for all that "shahr" can only mean "full-moon" in al-quran. I don't think anyone has considered this aspect before so I want to share this with all of you.

I am really excited about this ! yay

1712 And We made the night and the day as two signs, so We erased the sign of night and We made the sign of day to see-in, that you may seek bounty from your Lord, and that you may know the number of the years and the count. And everything We have detailed completely.

This sign makes it crystal clear that a year is solar according to al-quran.

Now let's see the following sign

936 The count of the "shahr" with God is twelve "shahr" in God?s record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous.

This sign makes it clear that the count of "shahr" is twelve.

Now, if "shahr" means month, and as per al-quran phases of moon can be used as timing mechanism (105, 2189), then let's see how many lunar months can be counted in a solar year (assuming a lunar month is from waxing crescent to waxing crescent, or full-moon to full-moon, both will theoretically make no difference as to the count of lunar months). A solar year can be from summer solstice to summer solstice or winter solstice to winter solstice or the current solar calendar can be used. Again this will make no difference as far as the count of "shahr" is concerned.

2006 lunar months

Jan 29 - Feb 27
Feb 28 - Mar 28
Mar 29 - April 26
April 27 - May 26
May 27 - Jun 24
Jun 25 - Jul 24
Jul 25 - Aug 22
Aug 23 - Sep 21
Sep 22 - Oct 21
Oct 22 - Nov 19
Nov 20 - Dec 19

As we can clearly see, the COUNT of the lunar months in 2006 was 11, NOT 12 as per al-quran.

2007 lunar months

Jan 19 - Feb 16
Feb 17 - Mar 18
Mar 19 - Apr 17
Apr 17 - May 15
May 16 - Jun 14
Jun 15 - Jul 13
Jul 14 - Aug 11
Aug 12 - Sep 10
Sep 11 - Oct 10
Oct 11 - Nov 8
Nov 9 - Dec 8

As we can clearly see again, the COUNT of the lunar months in 2007 was 11, NOT 12 as per al-quran.

In fact, the count of lunar months in a solar year will be 11 for 2 years in a row and then 12 in the third year. But according to al-quran the count of "shahr" is always 12.

Therefore "shahr" CANNOT MEAN LUNAR MONTH in al-quran.

On the other hand, if we count the full-moons in a solar year, WE WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO COUNT 12 FULL-MOONS EVERY YEAR and every 3rd year the 13th full-moon will not be counted.

This proves beyond any shadow of doubt that "shahr" CAN ONLY MEAN FULL-MOON in al-quran.

Indeed, God has detailed everything completely relevant to our guidance as per 1712. The answer was always staring in the face; it is us who don't understand sometimes! May God guide us all to the truth.

Lets wait and see what Bilal and his folower Farida says about that, till that keep smilling )

afridi220

Peace Afridi,

No it wasn't

http//www.free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm

Peace,

Ayman

Salam ayman
The so called archaeological evidences about Islam and Quran are all written by Christians and not trust worthy.
For example see this link

http//isaalmasih.net/archaeology-isa/quran-archaeology.html &

peace

siki

The Sun and The Moon Run for an Appointed and Known Period.

The Known period of the Sun is from Sun Rise to the next Sun RiseOne day. For thousands of year since God Created the Sun, the Sun appears the same way every day. If the Sun has another Appointed Period beside Day and Night calculation, God would have appointed it in Quran or Bible or Torah (by saying that the Month has 30 days or year has 365 days)

The Known and appointed Period of the Moon is the Moon Stages (10-5, 36-39). Thus, from the beginning of the Moon Cycle to the End is the Appointed Period. Such Period is known in the Quran, the Bible, and Torah. And we calculate from the Waxing Crescent (the New Moon) to the Next Waxing Crescent (The Mark of the new next period).

Salam and may God Lead you to the Truth

Brother Belal, Salam. handshake

! lets assume for a while that >D "Aliens abduct you, and take you to planet X ;D . There you lose all track of earth time. One day they decide to dump you back. You splash down, manage to swim out to a small deserted island with no one around.

You wanted to keep track of time , and most probably this is how you ended up doing.

You remembered God's words in his book for keeping time, and hence started to count days with the help of sun rise and set. You counted 30 days but then your month started from the day you arrived back on the planet. The only way to synchronise it with the rest of the mankind was, to take refernce of the moon. So you reset your count and started counting months with the help of moon. To begin with, for a strange reason you chose the waxing cresent which followed the sun and was barely visible in the refracting light of the setting sun (By the way the wanning cresent is much more distinct, because it is at dawn, and is opposite to the rising sun) You counted "12" as per God's commandment, for a year and then restarted , but then your year was not synchronised with the rest of the world. This method started your year when you arrived back on the planet.

Over a period of a few years you noticed, that in your count of 12, once there was a full Moon, which was so distinct in colour that you couldn't miss it, and hence you reset your year count with the help of this Orange full moon.

As you started to count the year from this bright marker , your month count automatically began to start with Full Moon, and so was every month from then on. Over a period of time it dawned on you that it was easy to keep track of this bright full moon, and what a fool you were when you kept the count with waxing cresent.

(because in certain months you missed it and ended up having a count of 29 or sometimes 30-31 days, and every other month you had overcast and hence had no idea weather to start recounting or not whereas the bright full moon could still be noticed even in cloudy days when it started to rise soon afer sun set)

I sincerly hope that you realize the difference.

peace

siki