Hot/"ramadan" Answer

siki

Dear guest ,

I am quoting one of my old posts , kindly go through it, I am sure it would help .

siki

handshake

! lets assume for a while that > "Aliens abduct you, and take you to planet X ;D . There you lose all track of earth time. One day they decide to dump you back. You splash down, manage to swim out to a small deserted island with no one around.

You wanted to keep track of time , and most probably this is how you ended up doing.

You remembered God's words in his book for keeping time, and hence started to count days with the help of sun rise and set. You counted 30 days but then your month started from the day you arrived back on the planet. The only way to synchronise it with the rest of the mankind was, to take refernce of the moon. So you reset your count and started counting months with the help of moon. To begin with, for a strange reason you chose the waxing cresent which followed the sun and was barely visible in the refracting light of the setting sun (By the way the wanning cresent is much more distinct, because it is at dawn, and is opposite to the rising sun) You counted "12" as per God's commandment, for a year and then restarted , but then your year was not synchronised with the rest of the world. This method started your year when you arrived back on the planet (plus up to 28 days)

Over a period of a few years you noticed, that in your count of 12, once there was a full Moon, which was so distinct in colour that you couldn't miss it, and hence you reset your year count with the help of this Orange full moon.

As you started to count the year from this bright marker , your month count automatically began to start with Full Moon, and so was every month from then on. Over a period of time it dawned on you that it was easy to keep track of this bright full moon, and what a fool you were when you kept the count with waxing cresent.

(because in certain months you missed it and ended up having a count of 29 or sometimes 30-31 days, and every other month you had overcast and hence had no idea weather to start recounting or not whereas the bright full moon could still be noticed even in cloudy days when it started to rise soon afer sun set)

I sincerly hope that you realize the difference.

peace

siki

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

@ siki

what of I landed in August? I would have to wait for nearly a year to re-synchronize my calendar/time.
I'd ask others in the first place or browse the i-net.

Another point I would like to make the 'fullmoon of scorching heat advoctors' always attack the traditionalists' approach of measuring time/counting months, etc. which is the sighting of the new moon. There is no need and place for that in God's system. We already know the timings of future lunar months through calculation and not sighting. So the whole attacking of the sighting of the moon is OK, but it isnt a valid arguement against the lunar calendar approach/advocators.

Peace

guest

Peace hope4,

Quote ?who gave Umar authority to change the calander system??

This is a baseless accusation without any valid evidence. Produce your evidence if you speak the truth. If you are 100% certain that you are speaking the truth then invoke the curse of Allah by saying ? If I am lying make my life hell in this world and on the day of judgment I will voluntarily enter hell for ever, also give me cancer of the worst kind if I am a liar."

Umar could not have change the length of the lunar cycle. Therefore, he did not change timing system. He used the same timing system as prophet Muhammad did. The only thing he possibly did (w.r.t. timing) was to start the Muslim calendar from hijra. There is nothing wrong with this.

Quote ?Why was it changed by Umar??

Another baseless accusation. Should this be the behavior of a righteous person?

You have to think a moment and realize that fixing an initial point does not change the length of lunar cycle. Timing system will change if someone can change the length of lunar cycle.

ayman

Peace Guest,

You say ?What I am saying is that your definition lacks a starting point? What is your starting point for this 'year' you have defined in so many of your posts??

Starting point is irrelevant to me because in my reference frame it is independent religious duties. However, collectively we can agree on a starting point to deal with worldly matter. That is what Umar did. He did a good thing in my opinion. If you don?t like his start point then start your own calendar from the next new moon. After 12 moon cycles you will have a year. My fasting month of Ramadan is still the same in this new calendar. However, if you are analyzing this from another reference frame (e.g. solar based calendar) then you will run into issue of 11 days short per year and pose question like this ?The point is, based on your calender, 350 years from now, the time people will fast will depend on what that starting point was.? Please be consistent in your analysis.

Your arbitrary starting point and the order of your months is what will determine when your arbitrary Ramadhan occurs. If today is the crescent moon and you start your new year today and you conjecture that Ramadhan is the 9th month in your calendar then your Ramadhan will be 9 lunar months from today. If you start your calendar the next creascent then it will be 10 lunar months from today. If you started your calendar last crescent moon then your Ramadhan would be 8 lunar months from today, etc.

Also, the arbitrary order of months in your calendar will determine when Ramadhan occurs. So if Ramadhan was your third month then you would fast three months from today and so on. So whether you like it or not, your lunar calendar is 100% arbitrary. I am sure that anyone with a little bit of intelligence can see this indisputable fact. So it doesn't help your credibility when you keep arguing about such indisputable fact. People are going to think that either you are wasting everyone's time by playing dumb or, well, you are not playing.

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Guest,

Quote ?How do you know that using 1712? Please don't mindlessly copy and paste links and give us a straight answer or admit that you don't know this basic knowledge.?

Common sense and some measurement techniques is all you need to measure the 365.24xx cycle. The same techniques allowed us (human) to land spacecraft on comet. Do you get it?

No, I don't get it. Please excuse my ignorance and show us your incredible intelligence by telling us this commone sense and measurement techniques that allows you to know this using 1712.

Quote ?The word "month" is never mentioned in the great reading. The word "shahr" means "full-moon".?
See verse 936 - The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.

Oc course the parts in underline and bold in your translation are contradictory.

See verse 936 - The count of full-moons, as far as the god is concerned, is twelve. This has been the god's law, since the day he created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are restricted. This is the worthy obligation; you shall not wrong your souls (by violating the restriction) therein and fight those who set partners like they fight you, and know that the god is on the side of the righteous.

Quote ??..ALWAYS starts from the same exact position every single year and there is no shifting reference.?

Just show us how you fit subsequence 365.24xx cycle within your reference point without an error factor. You will become a famous man if you can do this.

It is not the length of the cycle I am questioning; it is the man made implementation of calendar using the said solar cycle. It is indeed a very hard problem. Don?t you get it, if the God wanted us to do this then he would have made the job easy for us. Just like the lunar calendar.

You do it using the perfect system given to us by the god in 1712. You use the day and night as you are clearly told in 1712. The year is the interval between the longest/shortest day/night and the next longest/shortest day/night. This system is a self-adjusting system that doesn't require any adjustment. I guess I am now a famous person. )

Peace,

Ayman

guest

Peace truthseeker11,

Quote ?NOTE HOW HE HID THE BOLDED PART FROM OTHERS IN HIS POST.?

Do you really think before you provide a response? If I wanted to hide the bolder part then I wouldn?t have given you the reference. I was refuting your average temperature claim between LA and Australia. The temperature coded color of Australia nullifies your claim.

Don?t forget Ayman?s theory requires the hottest temperature coincide with the full-moon. Arbitrary hot day is of no use. This is another serious flaw with Ayman?s concept i.e. heavy rain prior to the full-moon will reduce the temperature significantly which means you will have wait for another full moon with hotter temperature. It is also location dependent. And the problem goes on and on.

Quote ?The Earth is about 3% closer to the Sun in December than in June, but since there's so much more water in the Southern Hemisphere, things don't usually heat up as quickly and to the same degree as in the Northern Hemisphere."?

Again you proved that you are not thinking properly or are incapable of doing so. You are quoting an average generalized situation to mislead people. You failed to understand the rationale behind my saying that ?Interior portion of Australia?? This means the land will heat up rather quickly as it is far removed from the water. The water impact is negligible in certain region of Australia.

guest

Peace Ayman,

Qoute ???and the order of your months is what will determine when your arbitrary Ramadhan occurs.?

Why would I change the order of the months that Prophet Muhammad used? The order of the months was established firmly by the Prophet during his stay with was (previous generation) which we still follow. You are making a false accusation that Umar changed the order of the months without any valid evidence. Umar is the one who fought with the Prophet and not you. My innermost thoughts tell me that he didn?t abandon the Islam religion like you suggest using the example ?he changed the order of months?. Judging your logic from the contents of your posts, I would most certainly conclude it is you who we should be careful about. Suggesting such a drastic change during the time in question would be equivalent to asking for extreme punishment. Even a sane disbeliever wouldn?t dare do that.

Quote ?.. new year today and you conjecture that Ramadhan is the 9th month in your calendar then your Ramadhan will be 9 lunar months from today?

You think people are that dumb. What kind of mind and education do you have? I think it is something you would do though. If I am starting a new calendar from next new moon, I will call my first month Ramadan and by default it will become my new year.

Another extreme situation is this If a powerful disbelieving system takes over and change the calendar and order of the months, I will re-synch the new months with the known Ramadan month and continue my religious duties. It is easy (Elementary my dear Watson).

guest

Peace Ayman,

Quote ?No, I don't get it. Please excuse my ignorance and show us your incredible intelligence by telling us this commone sense and measurement techniques that allows you to know this using 1712.?

First, you give me the length of your solar cycle. This way you will not be able to take different position after the fact. The solar cycle I use is 365.2xxx. Why are you not dividing yours?

Quote ?Oc course the parts in underline and bold in your translation are contradictory.?

Contradictory, says who? Are you the authority who decides what is right from wrong? You have too big an ego to be thinking that everything you do or say is correct. You must think you are infallible. Your faulty posts prove otherwise.

Quote ?The year is the interval between the longest/shortest day/night and the next longest/shortest day/night. This system is a self-adjusting system that doesn't require any adjustment. I guess I am now a famous person.?

You are not famous yet. It is just a claim now. You have to put it in practice and show that it works. You can start by giving us the number of days between the ?longest/shortest day/night and the next longest/shortest day/night?. These days has to equate to the God given solar cycle.

ramzi

You can start by giving us the number of days between the longest/shortest day/night and the next longest/shortest day/night. These days has to equate to the God given solar cycle.

lol,

Why? Is the time between longest/shortest day/night not God given?

guest

Peace siki,

Quote ?Over a period of time it dawned on you that it was easy to keep track of this bright full moon, and what a fool you were when you kept the count with waxing cresent.?

And how do you make distinction between

moon of day before the full-moon
Full-moon
Moon of day after the full-moon

Without the use of a telescope or a binocular.

I am assuming that this stranded person does not have quartz base Rolex watch on him.

guest

Peace ramzi,

I don?t understand the question "Why? Is the time between longest/shortest day/night not God given?"

However, if you meant ?longest/shortest day/night and the next longest/shortest day/night? then the answer is this

The count of days is man made and it is subject to an error. Is it 365 days or 365.2xx days? The fraction of the day is part of the solar cycle and has to be taken into account. But Ayman?s system does not allow that because he chose the unit?s to be day and night. Therefore, Ayman?s timing system is not in synch with the God given solar cycle. Additionally, Ayman?s system will drift with seasons, like lunar based time system, caused by neglecting the fraction of a day in the God give solar cycle.

hope4

Peace Guest

I think you have misunderstood me when I said he (Umar) has changed the system. I did not suggest that the lunar cycles were changed or their lengths. I ment the calendar in use. Questions I set are not because I have knowledge or evidence that I can produce or that I am trying to change anyones mind but to understand historic events of how it was and what changed us through out the years. I am assuming it was for these very reasons that muslims divided into secs as they could not agree on particular things.

Also, If you see my second post just after the one you decided to answer you can see I have been trying to read and understand what is going on. I also placed a source of reference of what I was reading.

So let me conclude what I understand so far (I am not saying I am right, just stating my understanding of what I have been reading).

Muslims in the day of the Prophet used to follow the jewish calendar system were an extra month was added now and again to keep the calendar in sink with seasons.
One of the last surah's to be revealled to the Prophet was Surah 9 in which a verse read

936 The count of the months with God is twelve months in the book
of God the day He created the heavens and the earth; four of
them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong
yourselves in them; and fight the polytheists collectively as they
fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous.

Our Prophet after this revelation rejected the Jewish calendar in use in the early part of Islam and adopted a strickly lunar calendar.
Umar according to my background reading, did not change the calendar but fixed a starting date. This was done so that documents could be correctly dated.

We are all in search for the truth Guest and I am no different to you or anyone on this site. When I ask questions its because I want to gain different points of view and search my heart for the one that I feel is right.

Further more, Quote This is a baseless accusation without any valid evidence. Produce your evidence if you speak the truth. If you are 100% certain that you are speaking the truth then invoke the curse of Allah by saying ? If I am lying make my life hell in this world and on the day of judgment I will voluntarily enter hell for ever, also give me cancer of the worst kind if I am a liar."

Why would you say something like that? All I did was ask a question. It would have been better to use less agression in your post by simply saying I really dont know why, than trying to get me to wish something on myself so terrible as your quote. You must understand I am not attacking anyone in any of my posts, and if it seemed that way to you then appologies. You must understand I have many years to catch up on my islamic knowledge, so from time to time it may seem I am asking obvious questions but you must excuse that and be patient.

May God lead us all in the right path

Peace

Hope

unknownuser

Peace all --

Muslims in the day of the Prophet used to follow the jewish calendar system were an extra month was added now and again to keep the calendar in sink with seasons.

How do you know this?

One of the last surah's to be revealled to the Prophet was Surah 9 in which a verse read

How do you know which was first and which was last or which parts where first and which parts where last?

Our Prophet after this revelation rejected the Jewish calendar in use in the early part of Islam and adopted a strickly lunar calendar.

How do you know this?

Umar according to my background reading, did not change the calendar but fixed a starting date. This was done so that documents could be correctly dated.

How do you know this? Umar ruled on a number of things including stoning, how to distribute inheritance and interpreted much of the book according to whatever ideas popped in his head or in the minds of people after him according to whatever opinions they had -- attribute it to whoever back in the day give it legitimacy.

Further more, Quote This is a baseless accusation without any valid evidence. Produce your evidence if you speak the truth. If you are 100% certain that you are speaking the truth then invoke the curse of Allah by saying ? If I am lying make my life hell in this world and on the day of judgment I will voluntarily enter hell for ever, also give me cancer of the worst kind if I am a liar."

Sounds like someone being accused of adultery; no need for that we're only talking...lol

I'm of the opinion starting point is time = 0 the beginning...

Use "DOC" new moon crescent "D" full moon "O" end cycle "C" then restart count.

If using full moon there is a 7 day period of uncertainty as to moon phase.

http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/moon/calendar/index.php?monthyear=8/2009

begin month/year 1
ramadan 29.53059
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8___ 236.24472
9___ 265.77531
10__ 295.3059
11__ 324.83649
12__ 354.36708
ramadan 365.242199 begin year 2

Perhaps take difference (lunar - solstice) calculate where we are at currently in the cycle.

The other thing is it may be the same with how to exactly pray; really doesn't matter, start anywhere in the cycle -- not much difference between time slices and what matters is the current moment the only reality.

Peace

hope4

Peace Eid Abdullah

Muslims in the day of the Prophet used to follow the jewish calendar system were an extra month was added now and again to keep the calendar in sink with seasons.

How do you know this?

Quote
2. One of the last surah's to be revealled to the Prophet was Surah 9 in which a verse read

How do you know which was first and which was last or which parts where first and which parts where last?

Quote
3. Our Prophet after this revelation rejected the Jewish calendar in use in the early part of Islam and adopted a strickly lunar calendar.

How do you know this?

Quote
4. Umar according to my background reading, did not change the calendar but fixed a starting date. This was done so that documents could be correctly dated.

How do you know this? Umar ruled on a number of things including stoning, how to distribute inheritance and interpreted much of the book according to whatever ideas popped in his head or in the minds of people after him according to whatever opinions they had -- attribute it to whoever back in the day give it legitimacy.

My reply is I dont really know. The summary I gave was a summary after reading a few internet sites. I am hoping that people like you will respond with your views and possibly let us know what really happened and if possible provide some evidence or suggested reading. Thank you for your reply.

Peace

Hope

siki

Peace siki,

Quote ?Over a period of time it dawned on you that it was easy to keep track of this bright full moon, and what a fool you were when you kept the count with waxing cresent.?

And how do you make distinction between

moon of day before the full-moon
Full-moon
Moon of day after the full-moon

Without the use of a telescope or a binocular.

I am assuming that this stranded person does not have quartz base Rolex watch on him.

Any time you find a full kinda moon while the sun has still not set, ignore it, look for it the next day, till,
you find first full moon which rises after the sun set,that is the one (shahar)

siki

siki

peace.

This might help a few, in understanding the problem , and God's solution.

In God's system , there is nothing like a week, hour or a minute, because there is no natural marker to count that from. God counts in days, because we have sun rise and set for calculation.
Then the next bigger unit can be a time period between two consecutive natural visible markers , that could be a period between two similar shape moons, either crescents (hilal), half moons (badars), or full moons (shahar)
There are significantly more chances of an error if we take shapes other than the full moon for counting this period.
But if we take the full moon (rounded shape) which rises soon after the sun set (the first one)to start our count, we cant miss it. That is what Quran calls as Shahar.
However we can not call the period between the two shahars as month(neither does the quran) because that is not always fixed, it would be 29, or some time 30 units.
The next important unit (in human life) is a year (around which the life exists, and gets synchronised) shortest day to a shortest day , or longest day to the next longest day. We could take any for starting a year. But then how could a human precisely calculate ( back then ) without the help of a man made device?
God selected another marker which came once yearly, after the longest day , shahar ramadhan, The Full moon in scorching heat, which had a different color shade to it , orangish yellow, rather than yellowish white.
(if you can distingusish the color shade difference between a normal tungeston bulb and a tube light, or a mercury bulb, that is precisely the color difference)
As the year could not be divided in equal monthly units, with the help of this marker, so we do not have a God's month, but Shahars to approximate an intermediate unit, ( between a year and a day)
We count shahars, and we count only 12 as per his instructions , because every three years we will find one extra between two shahars of Ramadhan. We will not count that , that is how the life around earth will be in sync with life governing/sustaining Marker, sun The sun.

In my opinion this is how God wants us to keep track of time, when He says, "I have given you sun and the moon to calculate"

siki

journeyman

Peace brothers and sister. I am new here (and new to Islam) and am getting ready to observe Ramadan for the first time. My friends are Sunni and tell me that the actual time of Ramadan is for 30 days (one can continue to fast an extra 10 days for some reason if they choose) and that it actually moves during the year because of the Islamic calender vs. the majority 365 day/year calender. I have read the posts in this thread and understand the scientific and Quranic evidence but yet no one has actually said when Ramadan should be or for how long or am I just missing something??? Please help! ???

vivek

Peace journeyman,

Peace brothers and sister. I am new here (and new to Islam) and am getting ready to observe Ramadan for the first time. My friends are Sunni and tell me that the actual time of Ramadan is for 30 days (one can continue to fast an extra 10 days for some reason if they choose) and that it actually moves during the year because of the Islamic calender vs. the majority 365 day/year calender. I have read the posts in this thread and understand the scientific and Quranic evidence but yet no one has actually said when Ramadan should be or for how long or am I just missing something??? Please help! ???

I sincerely recommend that you read Ayman's scholarly and eye-opening article on Ramadan.

Yours truly,

K.Vivekanandan

unknownuser

Any time you find a full kinda moon while the sun has still not set, ignore it, look for it the next day, till,
you find first full moon which rises after the sun set,that is the one (shahar)

siki

Last year 400 A.M. June 18th you missed this big scorching full moon illusion before summer solstice?

http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/images/moonillusion/Kasaitis1_strip.jpg

This might help a few, in understanding the problem , and God's solution.

In God's system , there is nothing like a week, hour or a minute, because there is no natural marker to count that from. God counts in days, because we have sun rise and set for calculation.
Then the next bigger unit can be a time period between two consecutive natural visible markers , that could be a period between two similar shape moons, either crescents (hilal), half moons (badars), or full moons (shahar)
There are significantly more chances of an error if we take shapes other than the full moon for counting this period.
But if we take the full moon (rounded shape) which rises soon after the sun set (the first one)to start our count, we cant miss it. That is what Quran calls as Shahar.

Then try to distinguish between the one?s coming up in a few days...

Aug 3 95% full moon

http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m154.jpg

Aug 4 98%
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m166.jpg

Aug 5 Full Moon 856 P.M. (better be outside that exact moment to witness it not indoors or asleep)
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m176.jpg

Aug 6 100%
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m186.jpg

Aug 7 98%
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m198.jpg

However we can not call the period between the two shahars as month(neither does the quran) because that is not always fixed, it would be 29, or some time 30 units.
The next important unit (in human life) is a year (around which the life exists, and gets synchronised) shortest day to a shortest day , or longest day to the next longest day. We could take any for starting a year. But then how could a human precisely calculate ( back then ) without the help of a man made device?

Sure we can; start of Ramadan when you see ?D? ? begin fasting next day at dawn?

Aug 23 14%
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m044.jpg

Stop fasting when you see ?D? again which occurs a week after you see ?C??

Sept 14 22%
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m304.jpg

Sept 21 10%
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/images/m038.jpg

God selected another marker which came once yearly, after the longest day , shahar ramadhan, The Full moon in scorching heat, which had a different color shade to it , orangish yellow, rather than yellowish white.
(if you can distingusish the color shade difference between a normal tungeston bulb and a tube light, or a mercury bulb, that is precisely the color difference)
As the year could not be divided in equal monthly units, with the help of this marker, so we do not have a God's month, but Shahars to approximate an intermediate unit, ( between a year and a day)
We count shahars, and we count only 12 as per his instructions , because every three years we will find one extra between two shahars of Ramadhan. We will not count that , that is how the life around earth will be in sync with life governing/sustaining Marker, sun The sun.

In my opinion this is how God wants us to keep track of time, when He says, "I have given you sun and the moon to calculate"

siki

Skipping full moons is no different than interjecting months; they called it month 13 you call it ?no name or skip full moon? start at the beginning right away need to skip a month then skipping every 2 or 3 years which the full moon will vary in color from big/orange if a day after solstice to ordinary white 29 days after the solstice?

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Peace

vivek

Peace Ayman,

For years I was thinking about what would have been the basis for the new Islamic calendar and the Islamic era based on this calendar. As a result of this thought, I was really doubting the sanctity of the Islamic calendar as believed by the so-called muslims. I read your article some two or three months back and found it really eye-opening and shedding light on what would have been the abstention mentioned in the Quran. But I have yet to study your article in depth before arriving at a conclusion. I appreciate your efforts and sincerety to find the true Islam again. I'm learning many things from your articles. Thank you. Please continue your service in the cause of God by disseminating religious knowledge. All of us are only humans and are prone to making mistakes. If you come to know some or many mistakes in your understanding of the Quranic truths in a later stage, you should always be ready to accept and correct them.

May God guide us all to the right path.

Yours truly,

K.Vivekanandan