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Peace everyone,
Your answer can be found in this study...It shows how these letters evolved .
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabic_inscriptionsThis just demonstrates that Belal is still clueless about the difference between letters (script) and language.
Here is another pre-Islamic Arabian inscription showing the word "yarkh" to mean "month" and this one uses the Nabataean Aramaic letters.
http//i25.tinypic.com/212etdw.gif
From
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/raqush.htmlPeace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
Ayman, Here is my gift for you from the same link
these are some of the early Arabic scripts that is written on the wall of the True Kabba.
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/DoTR.htmlAnd your point is? Or do you just like to show off that you revere a shrine you named Kaaba which is built for a filthy rock that people idolize?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
And your point is? Or do you just like to show off that you revere a shrine you named Kaaba which is built for a filthy rock that people idolize?
Peace,
Ayman
rotfl Did I trigger your Stressful Hormones; Now you are calling the Kabba in Macca and the Dom of the Rock in Jerusalem FILTHY ROCK .
Here is another gift for you that will trigger a huge dose of the Stressful Hormons
You saidPeace everyone,
This just demonstrates that Belal is still clueless about the difference between letters (script) and language.
Here is another pre-Islamic Arabian inscription showing the word "yarkh" to mean "month" and this one uses the Nabataean Aramaic letters.
http//i25.tinypic.com/212etdw.gif
From
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/raqush.htmlPeace,
Ayman
above you said Yarkh (ك = Month; after my search, it appears that God used the Word Yarkh in the Great Reading (Quran)
26218 The One who sees you when you stand.
26218Should Ayman now withdraw his argument about the word Month in Arabic? or should He propose a new translation to the above verse to be
26218 The One who MOTH you when you stand.
Ayman, it is your time to shut down your Argument until you further study this subject...otherwise, you are making a fool of yourself in front of us and your kids.
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Here is another gift for you that will trigger a huge dose of the Stressful Hormons
You said
above you said Yarkh (ك = Month; after my search, it appears that God used the Word Yarkh in the Great Reading (Quran)26218 The One who sees you when you stand.
26218Should Ayman now withdraw his argument about the word Month in Arabic? or should He propose a new translation to the above verse to be
26218 The One who MONTH you when you stand.
Oh my God, i thought you belal, were an arabic speaker !!!! What's this ? are you kidding us ? where do you see (yaraaka) , in the quoted pre-islamic inscription ??? moreover, you highlited it in red !!! = (yarkh)
month = not !!!! are you blind ?? (if so, don't fast laugh)
= sees you
= + = in month
do you read "yaraaka" the same way that you read "yarkh" ? what's this ?????????????????????
if you wrote this at the beginning of this thread, i would have ignored you by now, and it is what everyone here would have done ! And this thread would have been much shorter !
it's ABSOLUTLY USELESS to talk with you . Sorry, i wasted my time with such ignorant and extremely mulish person as you ...
take arabic lessons or start learning salsa, no more options ...you're as far from Quran as the Sun from Pluto !!
Ayman, it is your time to shut down your Argument until you further study this subject...otherwise, you are making a fool of yourself in front of us and your kids.
just replace "Ayman" by "belh" and you will get a reasonable phrase.
P.S it's very clear that it is either your eyes or your brain (surely both) that are sooo stressful.
tututututututututututututut !
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Oh my God, i thought you belal, were an arabic speaker !!!! What's this ? are you kidding us ? where do you see (yaraaka) , in the quoted pre-islamic inscription ??? moreover, you highlited it red !!! = (yarkh)
month = not !!!! are you blind ?? (if so, don't fast laugh)
= see you
= + = in month
do you read yarraka the same way that you read yarkh ? what's this ? ????????????????????
just replace "Ayman" by "belh" and you will get a reasonable phrase.
tututututututututututututut !
I have been searching the Quran for the words that Ayman suggested to be Month (Yarkh and Wark) and the close that I can get is the Word I showed 'Yarraka...of course this word meaning has nothing to do with the word Ayman suggested, but that is the close as it can get. Can you see that Ayman instead of admiting that Shahar is the right word for Month, He is Posting Semitic Words and Aramic words.
If you want to continue diffending your Lord, let Him show us a True Arabic Word for Month...after all he have showed that the Word Month has been used for thausand of years in different languages, but why not in Arabic language. Does that tell you that Shaher is the Word?
I hope you can see the struggle we are going through with Ayman and his followers...Again
What is the Authantic ARABIC word that is Equal to the English Word "MONTH".
Please Post an Arabic Quotation and not other language if you want to end this in a mutual agreement...Otherwise, I will keep taking this thread as a game in which Stupidity is allowed.
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Peace all
Please Copy the following word (Shahr) and paste in the following link that has FOUR Classic ARABIC dictionaries.
http//www.lexilogos.com/english/arabic_dictionary.htm
You will note that all the dictionaries translate it to "Month"...Is this a reliable and valid argument that Shahar is the True Meaning of "Month"?
I think I'm done with the Shahar = Month Argument.
Peace all
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BelH
I had asked you a question too.
What is your criteria for making a month consisting of 30 days?
siki
Per God's instructions in the Quran, the Bible, and the Old Testement to use the Moon Cycle period to calculate the Month length (it can be 29 or 30 days)
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I have been searching the Quran for the words that Ayman suggested to be Month (Yarkh and Wark) and the close that I can get is the Word I showed 'Yarraka...of course this word meaning has nothing to do with the word Ayman suggested, but that is the close as it can get.
Very poor argument..
let's reverse it Let's take the word "" ( Authentic arabic word that equals the english word "week", as you previously answered) . if i decided to look for it in the quran, then i quoted this word ( = the lion) as it is the most close word one can get from the quran and because the quran doesn't mention the word "week"/"" at all? What you would have treated me of ?? Ignorant? liar ? hypocrite? stubborn? satan worshiper ? idiot ? dumb ? blind? brainless ? dark agency follower ? donkey ? arrogant ? zero knowledge ? clueless ? non-sense champion? lock-hearted ? Astrayed ? disbeliever ? looser ? piggish ? What would you have said ????????
What is the Authantic ARABIC word that is Equal to the English Word "MONTH".
It depends on what do you mean by authentic arabic language .
1 - If you mean northern/southern pre-islamic old arabic then month is "yarkh/warkh" ( / ).
Although it doesn't appear in the quran (the word either) . It doesn't mean that they don't exist in human manmade calendars.
2 - If you mean post islamic classical arabic, then month is "shahr" (ر , the same as full-moon, as long as i it is (the full moon) the obvious marker of the moon.Otherwise, I will keep taking this thread as a game in which Stupidity is allowed.
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Another stupid argument !
Salam
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Per God's instructions in the Quran, the Bible, and the Old Testement to use the Moon Cycle period to calculate the Month length (it can be 29 or 30 days)
Then why did you reply me with 60 days? why not 58 or 59 days?
(when i asked you the question, "if God asks you to do something for two months , how many days in total you would do it for" ?)
siki
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Peace all
Please Copy the following word (Shahr) and paste in the following link that has FOUR Classic ARABIC dictionaries.
http//www.lexilogos.com/english/arabic_dictionary.htm
You will note that all the dictionaries translate it to "Month"...Is this a reliable and valid argument that Shahar is the True Meaning of "Month"?
I think I'm done with the Shahar = Month Argument.
Peace all
CAN YOU READ ARABIC? YES OR NO ?
Anyway, i did copy paste the word "" in the link you provided. here is the answer
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.Assuming you can read arabic (which is not very sure) , tell us what's the main meaning of ?
Everyone can read (except you) that it means most of the time , something obvious/wellknown..and everyone can read (except you) that only one of its meaning can be "month". And this is because it is related to a (shahar/obvious) moon . ie. full moon.As you can see, the only source claiming that means crescent (ل is a hadithic source...
the hadith says "fast the shahr and it's secret part " " it leaves no doubt, even from a hadith source (lol) that the moon has its obvious part " / full moon" and its secret part " / crescent".
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Peace quickduck
good work!Peace belH
your obsession, and guest's obsession with the moon is surely unhealthy...Peace guest
of course you are not a Prophet, thank God for that, but you certainly act like one.
who gives you the right to be Allah's spokesperson, does He need you to be? and more to the
point as He does not need anyone, does He want you to be?
When I read the Quran I feel very comfortable, and complete, when I read your explanations, which
are very similar to the kind of arguments that any sectarian will give to defend hadith based fallacies,
I feel extremely uncomfortable in my body and mind, these are for me Allah's Signs of what is right and
what is false.
You take matters out of their context and build arguments as a base for systems that Allah has not authorised,
be they sunna, shia, sufi...
The first ones who are at the source of these are the worst criminals in Islam's history, and you are just one of their repeaters,
followers, and apologists.
Let us take the moon, you take it out of its context, which is the earth and the sun, and you do the same with the sun, and then you build a story that suits a pagan ritual in which you replace the name Baal (Moon God) will Allah, this is Lucifer playing..., and you wonder why the moon is ever present on the mosque minarets, and on the "muslim" emblems?
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Hi all, Peace,
just a thought....
new moon depends on our geographical location on earth, it can start at J for some and J+1 for others regardless of the hemisphere (north or south).
Then logically for some "laylat al qadr" will be at one night and for the others it will be at one night +1. So the same month we have 2 laylat al qadr!!!!!
This is IMPOSSIBLE as per surat 97.
This test failed!So either we use the astronomical definition of the new moon, where moon earth and sun are synchronized and therefore it means that WE CANNOT WITNESS IT.
as per 2185.
This test failed!In the other case we can say or think, it (new moon) has to be at prophete Muhamad's location! But then someone in New Zeeland has to know and or follow the news coming from Mecca (Muhamad supposed location) to know when he needs to start the fast, which is possible today but was not possible 50 years ago, and we don't know if it will be still possible in the future.
So not easy to determined.
This test failed!Peace
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Anyway, i did copy paste the word "" in the link you provided. here is the answer
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Assuming you can read arabic (which is not very sure) , tell us what's the main meaning of ?
Everyone can read (except you) that it means most of the time , something obvious/wellknown..and everyone can read (except you) that only one of its meaning can be "month". And this is because it is related to a (shahar/obvious) moon . ie. full moon........
The Dictionary argument (which you returned against yourself, lol) is not the ONLY argument for"shahr" doesn't mean "month"
let's not forget that
1 - As Ayman enphacised before, GOD did "anzala" the quran in ONE NIGHT as per 971...but HE did "nazzala" the same quran during the rest of prophet's life (assumed to be 23 years) . the difference between "nazzala" and "anzala" is very known to arabic speakers, which is not the case of belal, guest neither nunpseudoholidayrex...(anzala is "punctual" while nazzala is "continuous" within a period).
Therefore, as per 2185, "shahr ramadan" can only mean one night because GOD uses the same word "anzala" and not "nazzala" in both verses (971 and 2185).2 - logical analysis of 2185 leads us to deduce that it is impossible that "shahr ramadan" can be one month, because you cannot "have witnessed" (past tense) the month before you go back in time and fast it .
3 - God emphacised that abstinence is for few days (min 3 - max 10 ) , so it would be illogical to claim that shahr means month (quranically speaking, because in daily arabic, one friday can also mean one week from friday to friday, one summer can also mean a year from one summer to the other, etc...)....
4 - as per 936, you can not "count" 12 months but only 12 full moons in a solar cycle.
so if you, Belal or whoever, wants to disapprove that shahr = one night , you'll have to "debunk" those 4+1= 5 arguments at the same time, not only the dictionary one .
Salam
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Peace herbman,
why fail?
the Quran was revealed in Middle East Time, so?
on Earth you cannot escape relative times wherever you are - you need a point of reference ( a time frame)...
as for God's Time, I do not think there is any... that is only for us...
so using lunar or luni-solar, you will still have days that will "fall" in different seasons
but they are the same days.
The leylat Qadr Day was a special day when the Quran was revealed (or downloaded to use a word that now defines it even better), it was a full moon in Jerusalem just after the Summer Solstice, and wherever else you were on the globe
whatever the moon phase that was the day.
There is no test to be applied, irrelevant... your brain-storming idea is not useful, throw it in the bin.
As for the people in New Zealand, they had their own messengers at the time, tough for them, Mohamed's
message had not reached them yet ;DSalam
Noble
Hi all, Peace,
just a thought....
new moon depends on our geographical location on earth, it can start at J for some and J+1 for others regardless of the hemisphere (north or south).
Then logically for some "laylat al qadr" will be at one night and for the others it will be at one night +1. So the same month we have 2 laylat al qadr!!!!!
This is IMPOSSIBLE as per surat 97.
This test failed!So either we use the astronomical definition of the new moon, where moon earth and sun are synchronized and therefore it means that WE CANNOT WITNESS IT.
as per 2185.
This test failed!In the other case we can say or think, it (new moon) has to be at prophet Muhamad's location! But then someone in New Zeeland has to know and or follow the news coming from Mecca (Muhamad supposed location) to know when he needs to start the fast, which is possible today but was not possible 50 years ago, and we don't know if it will be still possible in the future.
So not easy to determined.
This test failed!Peace
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so you are saying
light removes darkness = day
absence of light = night
so light determines day and night?
61 - Praise be to GOD, who created the heavens and the earth, and made the darkness and the light. Yet, those who disbelieve in their Lord continue to deviate.
Dark is a reality just as much as light is a reality. Therefore, your second postulate is wrong (satanic) and since the third postulate depends on the second it is in the toilet.
You are trying to contradict the Quran (your hidden agenda) by asking silly question such as ?absence of light = darkness?. You are only going to fool yourself and not the believer. Satanic scheme is flimsier than the spider web.
Try your stupidity with Ayman, he likes this kind of stuff.
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So you agree that Darkness depends on the presence of the light . Ok , so where DID Einstein contradict GOD ??
Also , Notice that CREATING is Different from MAKING...Had GOD not created heavens, the earth would still exist.
In opposite, had GOD not MADE the light, it will be no darkness. you can call it whatever you want but NOT darkness.No, I don't agree with you.
As the Earth spins, we move through the light, into the darkness, and back again.
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Peace guest
for once something we can agree on, nothing like a Quran ayat to settle an argument.
as one who has believed, i will therefore concur with you that their definition of darkness need overhauling.
but, let us not make the mistake that because people make mistakes, we take it as an excuse to reject
all their work sundry.
you too need some spring cleaning in your approach, and by the way not everything that is not yet understandable
is necessarily satanic... we cut ourselves from a lot of opportunities with such an attitude...
and i find it even worse in those who argue against the existence of Jinns (and by extension of Satan) as real beings, as they put
themselves and those who accept the view in great danger, because how can you defend yourself from something you do not believe exist...
regarding the subject of this thread, i accept something only when i get convinced by it for myself, and it has nothing to do with Ayman, or whoever, it just clicks as the normal natural divine system to follow, and that the Quran is progressive, not regressive, which means with ijtihad, we have room to improve our deen, by Allah's leave, albeit with the core foundation of monotheism and reality intact, i.e. all what is described in the Quran is binding, but not what was written or done in the past for which we are not responsible, we are responsible for our present, and our future, and those entrusted to us... and Allah is showing, because we are suffering...
if we were doing as we are supposed to, things will be very easy, really...
it has been downhill since Imam Shafie, Bukhari and the Abassids...