Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace all,
It seems that both Ayaman and Nabster are not up for the challange and running away from answering very simple Two Questions in a straight forward way.Her are my humbled answers to the two questions
30 month (moon cycle) = 2.5 years
40 years = 40 x 12 moon cycle = 480 monthThus, The CORRELATION is God is descripting the first 2.5 years (30 month) of our life, and then, what a believer would say after 37.5 years (450 moon cycles) passes after the first mentioned period (30 month).
I know there are many of you out their who can identify that Ayman and his followers are trying to twist every Quranic verse to fit their ideology that has been promoted for the past 400 years or more...The ideology that represent Satin's Oath that he took upon himself to mislead Adams's sons and daughter from God's well-established guidance.
If I misunderstood Ayman and his followers, then let them prove me wrong by providing straight forward answers to my two CORRELATED Questions...otherwise, this Thread should be closed and lift for the readers to decide their own religion. Unless this happened by the help of Free-Minds Moderators, this thread will continue to be the battle ground for Satin to spread Stupidity and misguidance among Adam's Children.
May God complete His Light and Spread His Mercy upon all of those who are seeking his Truth. sun
Peace,
I forgot added the CORRELATION between my two questions...here it isThe CORRELATION is God is descripting the first 2.5 years (30 month) of our life, and then, what a believer would say after 37.5 years (450 moon cycles) passes after the first mentioned period (30 month).
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Peace belH
How about this Ayat then?3114 And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in
weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to
Me and to your parents, unto Me is the final destination.The times you refer to are not set in stone. It is like puberty, or growing a beard, or walking, or talking, for each human it is
slightly different, you cannot build a rule on that.You are the one being tested, and please stop calling anything that disturb your little comfort zone satanic, I think satan
is very happy with you, and all the sectarians and cultists.Now let me ask you an important question
Did the Fatimids read in the Quran to side with the Crusaders to fight against the Jews and Muslims and give Jerusalem to the
Christians?
How about all the crimes that were made in the name of Islam, was it the Quran that asked them to do them?Why are you making your life and that of people difficult by creating exaggeration in Allah's Deen.
Didn't Allah say to the Prophet that He did not send the Quran for him to be in hardship?Good you worked out a conversion, which you probably started with in the first place (i.e you knew the answer), but
can't you at least consider the possibility that you are wrong?
I will not be as arrogant as you in your shoes.
This hadith that says that we must do the opposite of everything that the People of the Book do is rubbish.
For starters, why are you using their stuff? their TV's and computers, and fridges, and planes, and water purification systems, and cars, and medical facilities, etc. who are doing the Islamic stuff you or them?
Go back and crawl to a little cave where you might belong, because according to that hadith you should not be using any of that stuff, and nor any of the sectarians, this is sheer hypocrisy...
and don't give me that cheap retort that I am abusing you, because you do sting as well every now and then.
Maybe if the "muslims" stop being such losers, we will be able to have some pride back, but not with an attitude like this... -
Peace Ayman,
You are contradicting yourself. You can lock yourself forever in a dark room during the day. This doesn't mean that there is no day and that the god stopped rolling the day and night.
There is no contradiction in my statement. Your response is irrelevant. You need time to comprehend a written statement. Therefore, take your time and do not rush with an irrelevant response. This is bad for you.
You know what I meant but you are not smart enough to get beyond labels and see the true nature of things. The true nature of things is that there will be exactly one year between the longest day/shortest night and the next longest day/shortest night. Same goes for the shortest day/longest night and the next shortest day/longest night.
I simply corrected a mistake you made. Instead of thanking me (an attribute of a good person) you are calling me not smart. You made the mistake, not me. This is unquranic. Anyway, you are welcome.
It is not easy to implement ?longest day/shortest night and the next longest day/shortest? concept without modern technology. I have challenged you on this point in one of my previous post but you failed to answer it. Primitive people could not have implemented this concept without making significant errors. This invalidates your assertion that solstice based timing system is easily implemented by primitive people.
I don?t want to spend more time beating a dead horse.
No they are not. The moon cycle has nothing to do with the number of days. It has to do with the sighting or calculaiton of a certain phase of the moon. Thus, you don't always get the same number of days in a moon cycle.
For your information 1 moon cycle = 29.5x days. The God has given us the knowledge and the basic ingredients to calculate moon cycle precisely using days. The new moon marks the beginning of a month.
It is your system that does not give same number days within moon cycles. Therefore, it is a no brainer that your system will be rejected by any sensible person.The God said we can use night (dark) and day to calculate time. Therefore, I can use it to calculate moon cycle, solar cycle (earth going around sun), planet cycle, comet cycle?. You are the one who is restricting its uses to solar cycle only. This is a violation of Quranic law. Only foolish people will go along with you. We only accepts God?s law and not yours or anyone else?s.
Are you saying that crops and animals follow something different then "islam"?
Crops and animals follow system that has been designed for them by the God. Our timing system is not the same as theirs just like our digestive system is not the same as theirs.
Exactly. It is SUNset not LIGHTset.
Exactly, it is not NIGHTset or DAYset.
Are you suggesting that the god stops merging day and night when you are inside a dark room? Whether you are in a dark room and whether you are dead or alive and whether humans existed or not, the god is merging day and night.
What is inside the darkroom when it is night (dark) outside?
What is inside the darkroom when it is day outside?
But you are saying that night is 100% equivalent to dark. To say he "made its dark dark" is nonsense.
Your understanding is nonsense. Right understanding is Night=dark.
If you don't worship Umar then tell everyone how you base your timing on the god authority alone and not on what Umar did or did not do.
I just described the timing system above and in numerous posts. This system was practiced by Prophet Muhammad and it is 100% consistence with God?s law.
Your timing system is good for animals.
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Peace guest
What are you talking about,
even the greek and the romans had sun "clocks" they used that allowed them to calculate the length of the day, using shadows, and the egyptians as early as 3500 BC, with the Sumerians well before that-
so, bro, on the contrary, it was very easy especially in that area of the world to know precisely the longest day and shortest night.
You too need to think before you speak
Salambeside you all the way
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Peace,
so, bro, on the contrary, it was very easy especially in that area of the world to know precisely the longest day and shortest night.
You too need to think before you speak
SalamThe length of days around summer solstice is the same i.e. June 19 thru June 22 the day lengths are equal. How do you determine which is the longest day. If you factor in the full moon around June solstice, an error of 30 days is a certainty. You get more accurate system if you don't use the June solstice in the primitive days.
I posted the following on August 31, 2009 @ 033747
Now, please refute the below statement and tell us how primitive people determined the summer solstice accurately.
Unlike the equinox, the solstice time is not easy to determine. The changes in Solar declination become smaller as the sun gets closer to its maximum/minimum declination. The days before and after the solstice, the declination speed is less than 30 arcseconds/day which is less than 1/60th of the angular size of the sun, or the equivalent to just 2 seconds of right ascension.
This difference is hardly detectable with indirect viewing based devices like sextant equipped with a vernier, and impossible with more traditional tools like a gnomon or an astrolabe. It is also hard to detect the changes on sunrise/sunset azimuth due to the atmospheric refraction changes. Those accuracy issues render impossible to determine the solstice day based on observations made within the 3 (or even 5) days surrounding the solstice, without the use of more complex tools.
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Peace guest
The answer shouts in your face.
After a first few observations, take the first day that came, and each year adjust...
Do nor overestimate those guys from the past. They were very good at figuring out patterns, what they lacked in technology, they made up with acumen and craftsmanship...
By the way, there is nothing in the Quran that imposes a particular calendar on us, and so if it is easier with the Equinox, I say start counting from the Spring or Autumn Equinox.
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Peace,
By the way, there is nothing in the Quran that imposes a particular calendar on us, and so if it is easier with the Equinox, I say start counting from the Spring or Autumn Equinox.
You just defeated Ayman's theory.
I don't agree with you on the hot month.
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Peace guest,
nobody is defeating anybody.
calendars are set up by organisations approved which approve standards nowadays.
in the old days, it was set up to suit kings and rulers' fancy, or by whoever had the power at the time.
you, me and ayman are at the moment just little pawns, who are being tested.
we do not know Allah's grand design or end game.
for sure, it does not include the sectarians, otherwise, they wouldn't have gone from ignominy to ignominy
since the destruction of the Abassides.
The Fatimides were big traitors and fought against their own brethren to give away Jerusalem.
The Shia split, and formed their own fantasy and mythology (based on a set of hadith mind you, charming).
Then came the Wahabis who also betrayed the Ottomans the same way the Fatimids betrayed the Muslims of their day...
Are these the signs of a people that God will choose as His Peacemakers on Earth, I doubt it?Ayman's proposal is not a theory, but it is based on Signs that He extracted from the Quran. I personally am not very good at astronomy, I can follow just, so I will be lying to say that I can vouch for it 100%, so you are telling me it is not practical, so if it is not, and you are a man of good faith, and you know what you are talking about, and you did your due diligence about the way people of old computed time, and you came to this conclusion, then I will have to agree with you...
However, if your intention, is to debunk just because you have made up your mind already, and no matter what, you will be choosing something the majority of the current non-thinking relying on scholars majority is doing, then, you are a danger to yourself and to those who listen to you...
Ramadan is the only word referring to a month in the Quran, that also means scorching hot, but you are stubborn enough to ignore this fact, that gives me a clue about your character though...
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Peace Belal and Guest,
I will respond to both of you to save time since it doesn't matter what specific points you guys post because it is all a bunch of nonsense anyway.
It seems that both Ayaman and Nabster are not up for the challange and running away from answering very simple Two Questions in a straight forward way.
Her are my humbled answers to the two questions
30 month (moon cycle) = 2.5 years
40 years = 40 x 12 moon cycle = 480 month30 month (Gregorian months) = 2.5 years
40 years = 40 x 12 Gregorian months = 480 monthWhat you posted can be applied to any calendar. So the only thing you proved is that your are using fallacious circular reasoning.
I know there are many of you out their who can identify that Ayman and his followers are trying to twist every Quranic verse to fit their ideology that has been promoted for the past 400 years or more...The ideology that represent Satin's Oath that he took upon himself to mislead Adams's sons and daughter from God's well-established guidance.
If I misunderstood Ayman and his followers, then let them prove me wrong by providing straight forward answers to my two CORRELATED Questions...otherwise, this Thread should be closed and lift for the readers to decide their own religion. Unless this happened by the help of Free-Minds Moderators, this thread will continue to be the battle ground for Satin to spread Stupidity and misguidance among Adam's Children.
May God complete His Light and Spread His Mercy upon all of those who are seeking his Truth. sunIf Guest and you are really sincere and think that you are not stupid and are not misguided followers of satan, then instead of continuously spewing nonsense on this thread and being obsessed with me and what I think, just forget about me and explain to everyone the following
How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
If you can do it then I will admit that I was wrong and follow your timing. Surely this should be a piece of cake for two bright guys like you. Fair enough?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace ayman
I second that...
there is nothing more sickening than the ignorance of the stubborn...
Peace Belal and Guest,
I will respond to both of you to save time since it doesn't matter what specific points you guys post because it is all a bunch of nonsense anyway.
30 month (Gregorian months) = 2.5 years
40 years = 40 x 12 Gregorian months = 480 monthWhat you posted can be applied to any calendar. So the only thing you proved is that your are using fallacious circular reasoning.
If Guest and you are really sincere and think that you are not stupid and are not misguided followers of satan, then instead of continuously spewing nonsense on this thread and being obsessed with me and what I think, just forget about me and explain to everyone the following
How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order of the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
If you can do it then I will admit that I was wrong and follow your timing. Surely this should be a piece of cake for two bright guys like you. Fair enough?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal and Guest,
I will respond to both of you to save time since it doesn't matter what specific points you guys post because it is all a bunch of nonsense anyway.
30 month (Gregorian months) = 2.5 years
40 years = 40 x 12 Gregorian months = 480 monthPeace all,
Ayman, it seems that you are trying to ignore your own theory, Shahar = Full Moon and not a MONTH, when answering my two Questions !
Is it because, using your theory to answer the two question would put you in position that you would have to refute it?
Be honest with yourself and us, and explain why your theory cannot be used to answer the two questions...And if you do so, you will earn my and everyone respect.
PS I was imam for a while
rotfl I knew it...By the way, you still sound like one.
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If you can do it then I will admit that I was wrong and follow your timing. Surely this should be a piece of cake for two bright guys like you. Fair enough?
Thank you for your valuable proposal...I promise you that I will answer it again, but after you answer my two question using your theory Shahar= One Full Moon.
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Peace belH
Do not laugh too soon, I was leading Professors and Phd students in a Western University, and even with them
they considered me too progressive for their comfort.
But I do not have to justify myself to you, you are a failure so far as Allah's testing is concerned, which is worse than
any failure you will get from academia or engineering.
You have the complete wrong attitude to looking for the Truth, you think it is first within you, and you try to confirm it,
worse you do your utmost to cling to it.
The Truth is with Allah's and He has given you tools that you misuse pretty badly, even the tool of humility,
you do not seem to have, you are so cocky about your self righteousness that you refuse to contemplate
the possibility to look for another approach.
And Allah will ask you why you did not use in excess of His Word, the environment, and the people around you, and the technologies, and any means necessary to find out the Truth.
Yet you are stuck with decisions made for you by scholars in the 8th century and thereafter, and do not seem able or courageous enough to question their wisdom, or the accuracy of their approaches.
In my view, you are an intellectual coward...
and when challenged, you invoke Satan...
well the disbelievers like you invoked Magic...
You really do not interest me anymore, ana baree-un minka... -
Peace Belal,
Ayman, it seems that you are trying to ignore your own theory, Shahar = Full Moon and not a MONTH, when answering my two Questions !
You are just upset that I demonstrated that your question and answer about months and years is the same exact question and answer about the Gregorian calendar. Therefore your question and answer are irrelevant.
Is it because, using your theory to answer the two question would put you in position that you would have to refute it?
Be honest with yourself and us, and explain why your theory cannot be used to answer the two questions...And if you do so, you will earn my and everyone respect.Anyone can see that 30 full-moons are 30 full-moons. Your claim that they are equivalent to 2.5 years is just your baseless claim. The god never said that they are 2.5 years. As for how many full-moons are in 40 years, there is a year with 13 full-moons every 3 years so it is going to be about 493 full moons, give or take depending on when one was actually born relative to the full-moon. On the other hand, the Gregorian calendar was used to answer your two stupid questions and produced the SAME EXACT answers as you. So according to your logic this means that we should all fast according to the Gregorian calendar now.
Thank you for your valuable proposal...I promise you that I will answer it again, but after you answer my two question using your theory Shahar= One Full Moon.
You are obsessed with me. Forget about me and stop using me as an excuse for your mental laziness. Your stupid questions have nothing to do with the fact that your traditional arbitrary timing is not based on the great reading. You are just hanging at straws because you know that you have NOTHING.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace,
I forgot added the CORRELATION between my two questions...here it isThe CORRELATION is God is descripting the first 2.5 years (30 month) of our life, and then, what a believer would say after 37.5 years (450 moon cycles) passes after the first mentioned period (30 month).
Belh,
What do you want to prove with this?
I have tried my best to understand the reason/wisdom behind this question of yours, but have failed.
Moreover , I have told you so many times that Month is an inaccurate/inconsistent unit of measure, and hence any command using the term Month cannot be full filled due inherent ambiguity in its definition. As the Book/GOD is perfect, hence He did not use this unit, and opted to use marker, (shahar) what ever time period they give us (29 or 30)
Let me try and explain to you yet another way ,
If you are commanded to do something for , let us say , a second, or a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a week, or a year, there will be no confusion in your mind as to how many time units (lets say in seconds) you have to carry out a certain exercise, where as Month is the only man made unit which would give you so many options to choose from, 28, 29 ,30, or 31 days or its smaller units of hour/minutes/seconds. That is why God does not use this unit.
If you cant grasp this simple logic, then i am afraid, there are only three possibilities, "you have a frozen brain", if not true , then an "idiotic attitude", and if both are not true, then i am afraid , as Nabeel said, "your mind is in complete grip of Satan", do something about it .
siki
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Peace all,
Anyone can see that 30 full-moons are 30 full-moons. Your claim that they are equivalent to 2.5 years is just your baseless claim. The god never said that they are 2.5 years.
If 2.5 years is not the right answer, based on your theory, how many years are the 30 Shaher that are mentioned in the verse equal to?
Peace belH
Do not laugh too soon, I was leading Professors and Phd students in a Western University, and even with them
they considered me too progressive for their comfort.
But I do not have to justify myself to you, you are a failure so far as Allah's testing is concerned, which is worse than
any failure you will get from academia or engineering.
You have the complete wrong attitude to looking for the Truth, you think it is first within you, and you try to confirm it,
worse you do your utmost to cling to it.
The Truth is with Allah's and He has given you tools that you misuse pretty badly, even the tool of humility,
you do not seem to have, you are so cocky about your self righteousness that you refuse to contemplate
the possibility to look for another approach.
And Allah will ask you why you did not use in excess of His Word, the environment, and the people around you, and the technologies, and any means necessary to find out the Truth.
Yet you are stuck with decisions made for you by scholars in the 8th century and thereafter, and do not seem able or courageous enough to question their wisdom, or the accuracy of their approaches.
In my view, you are an intellectual coward...
and when challenged, you invoke Satan...
well the disbelievers like you invoked Magic...
You really do not interest me anymore, ana baree-un minka...rotfl Your ego is about to explode...Imam.
God does not love the arrogant who shows off.
Soon your knowledge (if you have any) will diminish, and your students' will prosper. Then, your ego will die with you. -
Moreover , I have told you so many times that Month is an inaccurate/inconsistent unit of measure, and hence any command using the term Month cannot be full filled due inherent ambiguity in its definition.
Peace all,
You are wrong about this. Here is one from the many examples of which the Prophet had fulfilled by measuring accurately the Month period
Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.
92So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they hold the bond, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
95Did the Prophet were able to Measure the Period in which Fighting was prohibited?
By the way, how many days did the prophet had to wait before fighting? Because according to Ayman theory, he would have had to not fight for 10 days per moon cycle (the period of the full moon per moon cycle)...in other words, he would have fought for 20 days, and stop fighting for 10 days per moon cycle...is this what he did, or did he wait for complete 4 moon cycles--about 118 days?
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Do not laugh too soon, I was leading Professors and Phd students in a Western University, and even with them
they considered me too progressive for their comfort.Are you sure that is what they thought of you (being progressive of their comfort), or your ego's imagination.
Until now, I don't consider you too progressive for my comfort, rather, an arrogant Imam who uses Non-well-established verses to cancel out the well-established ones. Hence, you are the same as the ones whom God described in 3-7 (the ones underlined)He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are well-established revelations; they are the essence of the Book; and others which are not well-established. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow what is not-well-established from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say We believe in it, all is from our Lord. And none will remember except the people of understanding.
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Peace all,
You are wrong about this. Here is one from the many examples of which the Prophet had fulfilled by measuring accurately the Month period
Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.
92So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they hold the bond, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
95Did the Prophet were able to Measure the Period in which Fighting was prohibited?
can't it be taken for a time period spreading over the appearance of 4 markers,(shahars)? You seem so sure about your statement regarding prophet as if you are carrying a video of his .
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can't it be taken for a time period spreading over the appearance of 4 markers,(shahars)? You seem so sure about your statement regarding prophet as if you are carrying a video of his .
Peace, so you are saying that he would have had to not fight for 10 days per moon cycle (the period of the full moon per moon cycle),...in other words, he would have fought for 20 days, and stopped fighting for 10 days per moon cycle (he had to stop the war four times that are equal to 20 days each)...is this what he did, or did he wait for complete 4 moon cycles--about 118 days?