Is there a single Muslim on this whole website?
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Muslims" He lives in the sky above Mecca. According to me He is nearer to me than my jugular vein, He is also everywhere.
Those who do not believe in prayer/ritual and meditate also have to face a certain direction, even if they meditate upside down?
I agree
Allah is sufficient, The Quran informs us who/what Allah is by his attributes and those
who state who/what Allah is outside of his attributes only guess/conjecture.i.e there is a danger for you to pray facing Mecca!!
Peace good logic
What is the danger of facing Mecca?
Under unusual circumstances, you may pray while walking or riding. Once you are
safe, you shall commemorate GOD as He taught you what you never knew.God bless you
peace
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Well Freedom, turning their faces is a very imaginative translation to say the least. Qiblateh means role model or front figure. If your Qiblateh is almasjed al-haraam is means that is your role model. It is inconsistent that that is a building then. But if you have the "Commandments" (I call them guidelines which I deem a better interpretation) that is obviously your role model.
Almasjed Al-haram means to "do what is good/sanctified" basically, as a compound word. Watchword could be another understanding. It speaks of doing what is goodly nevertheless.
Somehow the list of commandments were lost somehow on the way despite that Jesus was very mentioning about it. Here you have the reason why they are not mentioned in Quran as to have focus on them.
It is fairly intriguing why such could be turned into a Pagan idol from an innocent word just as the innocent salateh could be turned into a ritual despite that it refers to your ways, behavior or lifestyle.
Salaam
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Well Freedom, turning their faces is a very imaginative translation to say the least. Qiblateh means role model or front figure. If your Qiblateh is almasjed al-haraam is means that is your role model. It is inconsistent that that is a building then. But if you have the "Commandments" (I call them guidelines which I deem a better interpretation) that is obviously your role model.
Almasjed Al-haram means to "do what is good/sanctified" basically, as a compound word. Watchword could be another understanding. It speaks of doing what is goodly nevertheless.
Somehow the list of commandments were lost somehow on the way despite that Jesus was very mentioning about it. Here you have the reason why they are not mentioned in Quran as to have focus on them.
It is fairly intriguing why such could be turned into a Pagan idol from an innocent word just as the innocent salateh could be turned into a ritual despite that it refers to your ways, behavior or lifestyle.
Salaam
Is "Haram" the word you're translating to mean "Good"?
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Well Freedom, turning their faces is a very imaginative translation to say the least. Qiblateh means role model or front figure. If your Qiblateh is almasjed al-haraam is means that is your role model. It is inconsistent that that is a building then. But if you have the "Commandments" (I call them guidelines which I deem a better interpretation) that is obviously your role model.
Almasjed Al-haram means to "do what is good/sanctified" basically, as a compound word. Watchword could be another understanding. It speaks of doing what is goodly nevertheless.
Somehow the list of commandments were lost somehow on the way despite that Jesus was very mentioning about it. Here you have the reason why they are not mentioned in Quran as to have focus on them.
It is fairly intriguing why such could be turned into a Pagan idol from an innocent word just as the innocent salateh could be turned into a ritual despite that it refers to your ways, behavior or lifestyle.
Salaam
Peace Man of Faith,
Any proof for the above, any ayats? Where do you get these definitions? Do you
make them up yourself? Do you have your own personal version of Islam (hislam)?
What is your translation of 2/144?Peace Man of Faith, mmkhan, what is your Arabic word meaning "kill"?
Did you find your Arabic word meaning kill?
God bless you
peace
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Peace Man of Faith,
Any proof for the above, any ayats? Where do you get these definitions? Do you
make them up yourself? Do you have your own personal version of Islam (hislam)?
What is your translation of 2/144?Did you find your Arabic word meaning kill?
God bless you
peace
Man of Faith has an interesting technique where he paints the meanings of words by the meanings he takes each letter to have (based on apparent observation or something) and then combines those single letter meanings together to come to what he believes is the meaning of the word. I'm also very curious in finding out how he comes to the letter meanings and what words he looks at with those letters to figure out the meaning of each individual letter or whatever the technique may be.
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Hawk99,
The "proof" is in the language itself. It is distorted in interpretation and does not say half of what traditional ones do. Obviously I do not come up with anything out of my imagination, but I use a method to derive the meanings from the language itself. The so-called "initials" of Quran have been a great help in knowing how.
2144 speaks of confusion in faith and it says that there is no confusion since they have the model of the "Commandments". And it says the scholars know this very well, but they are lost wandering in their little bubble.
It is obviously not my personal "Islam", but the one that Quran is teaches beneath all the mud it is buried in.
Salaam
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Hawk99,
The "proof" is in the language itself. It is distorted in interpretation and does not say half of what traditional ones do. Obviously I do not come up with anything out of my imagination, but I use a method to derive the meanings from the language itself. The so-called "initials" of Quran have been a great help in knowing how.
2144 speaks of confusion in faith and it says that there is no confusion since they have the model of the "Commandments". And it says the scholars know this very well, but they are lost wandering in their little bubble.
It is obviously not my personal "Islam", but the one that Quran is teaches beneath all the mud it is buried in.
Salaam
How did you figure out the meaning of the initials at the start of some verses of the Qur'an?
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Man of Faith has an interesting technique where he paints the meanings of words by the meanings he takes each letter to have (based on apparent observation or something) and then combines those single letter meanings together to come to what he believes is the meaning of the word. I'm also very curious in finding out how he comes to the letter meanings and what words he looks at with those letters to figure out the meaning of each individual letter or whatever the technique may be.
) Mysticism? Sufism? Nonsense? Something else?
The "proof" is in the language itself.
Salaamo So terribly unclear. Any proof for the above, any ayats?
Again, Did you find your Arabic word meaning kill?
God bless you
peace
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Peace Hawk.
A simple answer can be- When in danger of being attacked from behind-.
A funny answer can be- when you loose all sense of direction-/ Or you are in a strange place,you forgotten your afternoon prayer until the last minute before sunset and you have no time to confirm the direction .
GOD bless you.
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This forum seems to have it's more than fair share of nutters.
Man of Faith's understanding of the Quran is quite delusional. My advise to all is just ignore what he is saying regarding the Quran. He is either mocking those who want to understand the Quran he's 2 slices short of a fudge cake.
PS. The Quran is what it is. It's simple. It contains the basic message which everyone can understand. It's got the same message as the Bible, Torah and probably most other text from other religions.
Anyone have any questions ask me and I'll clear them up for you.
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This forum seems to have it's more than fair share of nutters.
Man of Faith's understanding of the Quran is quite delusional. My advise to all is just ignore what he is saying regarding the Quran. He is either mocking those who want to understand the Quran he's 2 slices short of a fudge cake.
PS. The Quran is what it is. It's simple. It contains the basic message which everyone can understand. It's got the same message as the Bible, Torah and probably most other text from other religions.
Anyone have any questions ask me and I'll clear them up for you.
You are a good one to speak. I asked you to quote the ayas on some theme you affirmed something and I am still watiing, but never mind.
You may have whatever opinion on whatever, but you do not need to prosilitize in that opinion on somebody who is writing here in the forum for everybody and which therefore everybody can judge without you preaching us on what to think about it. If you disagree go ahead a disagree as much as you need or wish, but to treat the rest of us a needing a nany to keep us from "swallowing" bad stuff is out of place.
Salaam
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Salaam hawk99,
Unclear or not. I literally let the language speak by itself from its base, the letters they consist from.
And I do not have a word for kill at this time. It is not clear to me yet. But it is not used as much as in the mainstream Islam, particularly as a "command" to perform it.
It may contain the letter at least because that marks consciousness. Arabic words "paint up" what they like to say quite literally.
Have faith
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You are a good one to speak. I asked you to quote the ayas on some theme you affirmed something and I am still watiing, but never mind.
You may have whatever opinion on whatever, but you do not need to prosilitize in that opinion on somebody who is writing here in the forum for everybody and which therefore everybody can judge without you preaching us on what to think about it. If you disagree go ahead a disagree as much as you need or wish, but to treat the rest of us a needing a nany to keep us from "swallowing" bad stuff is out of place.
Salaam
I think you'll find that I have answered all your questions. If you are referring to your question about the ayats which say the sun and stars orbit the earth you'll find them near the beginning of that topic.
I was warning those who have a weak understanding of the Quran, also those are who have recently converted. I myself was easily persuaded by some muslims on what the correct interpretation of the Quran was. The reason being that I was expected to have some false beliefs which then made the Quran more palatable to certain muslims and non believers. One example is whether the prophets are sinless. The mainstream sunni belief is that all prophets are sinless. The reason being they are entrusted with a message from God or have been chosen by God for a special purpose and God would never choose a sinner/wrong doer. There is no such "belief" in the Quran. Some prophets did sin, they were human, they made mistakes, they repented, God forgave and honoured them.
So if you really don't need a nanny then you should have understood and ignored it. If you are weak in understanding or new to the faith then take heed.
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This forum seems to have it's more than fair share of nutters.
True
Even though you had a problem here which is also basic in its understanding
oh boy, nope first we see the sun, then we see the moon ooooooorrrrrrrrrr,
first we see the moon then we see the sun, I know that may be complicated, but just go
outside and observe. One follows the other.Back to you post,
Man of Faith's understanding of the Quran is quite delusional. My advise to all is just ignore what he is saying regarding the Quran. He is either mocking those who want to understand the Quran he's 2 slices short of a fudge cake.
At least be patient and let the brother explain himself.
PS. The Quran is what it is. It's simple. It contains the basic message which everyone can understand. It's got the same message as the Bible, Torah and probably most other text from other religions.
Not so, The Quran has more details.
Anyone have any questions ask me and I'll clear them up for you.
I look forward to your input.
Peace good logic
I still don't understand the danger of facing Mecca?
Salaam hawk99,
Unclear or not. I literally let the language speak by itself from its base, the letters they consist from.
And I do not have a word for kill at this time. It is not clear to me yet. But it is not used as much as in the mainstream Islam, particularly as a "command" to perform it.
It may contain the letter at least because that marks consciousness. Arabic words "paint up" what they like to say quite literally.
Have faith
But you provide no proof!
Are you using ancient hieroglyphics in your analysis?
God bless you
peace
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hawk99,
Regarding the sun and stars going around the earth thread it seems you didn't read properly. The thread was to entertain the possibility that the sun and stars do go round the earth hence it would be a major sign of God which all of mankind can observe in any generation. The verses which you think say that the God was describing an observation which is obvious to all may have different meaning which you have been brain washed into thinking by modern science.
Geocentrism is not as strange as you might think once you go into the details of it.
Good logic was simply saying that if you are in danger/trouble/difficulties then it's OK not to face Mecca when praying. Once out of danger/trouble/difficulties then face Mecca when praying. He was not saying there is danger for you if you pray towards Mecca.
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Peace Hawk.
Just gave the exception of if one s life is in danger. i.e you are not able to because you are forced .
Hope this is clear now.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Man of Faith,
And you could then immediately see the error in the ritual salateh too and also the even grosser error in praying towards a building in the desert of Arabia.
I agree that the way "Muslims" (capital M) perform salat, is based on man made fabrications and mistranslations of al-quran, and is no where to be found in al-quran/the reading.
There is no praying towards a cube stone idol in the desert of Arabia according to al-quran.
There is no physical bowing during salat as per al-quran.
There is no physical prostration during salat as per al-quran.
There is no facing a physical direction during salat as per al-quran.
There are no rakats/units in salat as per al-quran.
There are no 5 daily salat timings as per al-quran.
What would you say if I suggested that according to usage and context of al-quran, "aqimi al-salat" is establishing a connection with the infinite Creator and includes the following
- Thanking, praising, glorifying, and remembering the infinite Creator.
- Studying, pondering, and reflecting on the signs of the infinite Creator.
- Meditating and opening up a channel to communicate with the infinite Creator.
Would you agree that salat could possibly mean establishing such a connection with the infinite Creator? The lessons learned from such a connection can then be implemented and applied to one's life to positively alter our behavior towards others (amal salehin, performing good deeds, service to others).
Salat/connection with the infinite creator -----> lessons learned -----> application to one's life (amal salehin/altering behavior/doing good deeds/service to others).
Peace and may the infinite Creator bless you.
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Regarding the sun and stars going around the earth thread it seems you didn't read properly. The thread was to entertain the possibility that the sun and stars do go round the earth hence it would be a major sign of God which all of mankind can observe in any generation. The verses which you think say that the God was describing an observation which is obvious to all may have different meaning which you have been brain washed into thinking by modern science.
Nonsense
From My Name is Ted
If you read the Quran and the Bible it quite clearly describes the Sun as going around the Earth.
I can't see how the translations and words could mean anything else. Does anyone else agree with this?Please provide verses where the sun goes around the earth.
Just gave the exception of if one s life is in danger. i.e you are not able to because you are forced .
Hope this is clear now.Thank you good logic for clarifying your post.
God bless you both
peace
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Please provide verses where the sun goes around the earth.
Quran-2133 ?It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.?
Qur'an 911-2 "By the sun and his brightness, And the moon when she followeth him"Qur'an 3637-40 "A token unto them is night. We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness and the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."
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Peace Man of Faith,
I found an old post of yours that is in line with my current understanding of salat in al-quran (emphasis mine)
Perhaps this forum has made some further breakthroughs in understanding the Truth. Good work!
I had suspected for quite a while that the prayer is intended to be more of a meditation than the salat traditionalists perform. I had previously worked on making the salat less ritualistic and more about meditation and this may prove I was not doing wrong. It is true that concentration is very important during salat, and the counting and moves distract the practitioner quite much. Focus on what you are really intended to do with the salat instead, like establishing a connection.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605828.msg338694#msg338694
Do you still have the same understanding?
The meaning of "connection/bond" fits all occurrences of "salat" in al-quran and makes perfect sense, while staying within the classical Arabic linguistic usage.
Please see the following article by Dr. Ayman on salat and let me know what you think
http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part3.pdf
Also please see my previous post addressed to you above.
Peace and may the infinite Creator bless you.