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Time To Change Your Paradigm

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    FreedomStands
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    True, but they are wrong on this one (and on many maany maaaany more concepts...)!

    Such teachings (when understood correctly) don't belong to Sunnism, but to G-D!

    Genies on the other hand are non-quranic!
    Ie., man-made fiction! ? An ancient myth, adopted and promoted by mohammedans, to be precise.

    Prove it.

    You're entitled to your opinions, as I am, my sister.
    Facts, however, are not opinions, but serve as evidence to support opinions.

    SLM

    Jinns are humans made of fire before the humans?

    1526
    Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,
    1527
    And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.

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      hicham9
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      Jinns are humans made of fire before the humans?
      1526
      Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,
      1527
      And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.

      You're confounding with
      because you rely on Sunni translations ...

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        FreedomStands
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        You're confounding for
        because you rely on Sunni translations ...

        Is it just because you haven't personally dealt with any of these creatures? I've dealt with something, but since Jinn don't exist we can call whatever I've dealt with clearly and photographed and documented something else that exists in this world.

        So the world is flat but there are only humans, some jinn and some nas (I'm a jinn by the way, a ninja).

        So Iblis was a jinn, a human created before Adam.

        Can you help me out with the translation though?

        I had to add the "So" before those sentences in case anyone thinks I'm making those claims.

        Anyway, if anyone wants to meet some other thing that isn't a jinn, simply go to any forest with a heat vision camera (or with your eyes opened) and try to meet some, and bring some alcohol or something and you can make some not jinn friends that look like smoke or mist but are made of plasma.

        Just remove the word Jinn from this and replace it with some other word

        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607124.0

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          hicham9
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          So the world is flat ...

          Not "the world"!
          The ground, aka. terra firma.

          I'm a jinn by the way, a ninja

          Good for you, naruto.

          So Iblis was a jinn, a human created before Adam.

          Nop!

          Iblys was a malak,
          it existed long before Adem ...

          Now, it's the root of all evil.

          Zzzz

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Hello FreedomStands,

            So Iblis was a jinn, a human created before Adam.

            Nowhere does it mention Ibliss together with Jinn. Yet Ibless is misconceived and it is supposed to be used as a normal word in the context and not a proper noun.

            Jinns are humans made of fire before the humans?

            The word naar does not mean fire but it means light/heat/energy, and that is true. You probably know that the world is made of energy if you made your studies at school. Jinn is a very general expression for "the flesh" (lit. outer later), i.e. all cover of the world. So if 'nas' and 'jinn' are mentioned together it is because the language speaks of "spirit and flesh". Connect that in your mind and you see it logical that the "outer layer" of the world, that which you see, is made of naar, i.e. energy, but there is a world beyond that "flesh".

            That Shaytaan is mentioned together with Jinn is because the word Shaytaan means "instinct" and "jinn" is usually used to connote on "worldliness". Following one's instincts is worldliness and the desire to indulge in this world. To follow Shaytaan is to basically indulge in the beastly ways of your body and not some fictional character called Shaytaan.

            Be well bro'

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              FreedomStands
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              #554

              Good for you, naruto.

              No!

              Iblys was a malak,
              it existed long before Adem ...

              Now, it's the root of all evil.

              Zzzz

              Iblis was a malak who was of the jinn meaning a hidden malak or what?

              I guess now might be a nice time, if you feel up to it, to lay it all out, maybe your whole theology and everything so that we might correct ourselves thereby.

              For mainstream Muslims, jinns are a creature that aren't angels or humans, though most of them don't really know what they are and might imagine silly things too.

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                noble
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                You're confounding with
                because you rely on Sunni translations ...

                LOL!

                is the plural of

                Ibliss was not a Malak he was a Jinn in the Garden, close to God, until God decided to create Adam, then all hell broke loose (excuse the pun), and so all of Ibliss, Adam and Eve got cast out of the Garden.

                Malak, singular for Malaika, is translated using Biblical terminology as Angels, Malaika are controllers (free-minds ijtihad).

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                  hicham9
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                  LOL! is the plural of

                  Actually, is plural of
                  Hence, is pl. also .

                  Edit

                  &

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                    noble
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                    Dude, learn Arabic, don't rely on Farsi or Urdu, or whatever.

                    Plural of is

                    Arabic does not obey same rules for plural names, as in other languages.

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                      hicham9
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                      Dude, learn Arabic, don't rely on Farsi or Urdu, or whatever.

                      Plural of is

                      = a people (indefinite)
                      = the people (definite)

                      This is a plurale tantum (Arabic &#1593.
                      Ie., it has no sing. form!

                      That said,

                      denotes the corporeal.
                      denotes the incorporeal.

                      Arabic does not obey same rules for plural names, as in other languages.

                      Believe me,
                      you have no f. idea what you're talking about!

                      I suggest you go back and graduate kindergarten.

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                        noble
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                        = a people (indefinite)
                        = the people (definite)

                        This is a plurale tantum (Arabic ).
                        Ie., it has no sing. form!

                        That said,

                        denotes the corporeal.
                        denotes the incorporeal.

                        Believe me,
                        you have no f. idea what you're talking about!

                        I suggest you go back and graduate kindergarten.

                        OK, my Arabic is very rusty, and I didn't learn it the normal way through school, still learnt it from infancy as first language.

                        Jinns exist and are not Humans and that's all I have to say...

                        I have no time for your word games MoF and hicham9.

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                          noble
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                          @hisham9

                          and by the way I was correct, I don't need grammar rules, because it is my language.

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                            Man_of_Faith
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                            Some people have already failed the test it appears, or have a long way of coming along. Problem is people do not understand that the behavioral part is way more important than what exact details one believes in as long as the concept is right.

                            Be well

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                              noble
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                              Some people have already failed the test it appears, or have a long way of coming along. Problem is people do not understand that the behavioral part is way more important than what exact details one believes in as long as the concept is right.

                              Be well

                              Didn't they tell you, MoF, when in a hole, stop digging

                              Peace

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                                Man_of_Faith
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                                Nabster,

                                Not when I have started digging for a treasure down there which for sure is there. It would be wasted energy would it not? -)

                                Besides, I pointed at the appalling mannerism here and not what people say about something else.

                                Be well

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                                  Someone
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                                  Peace all,

                                  "ins" comes from the root/verb "anessa" which translates as "be friendly , be sociable".

                                  "jinn" comes from the root/verb "janna" which translates as "envelop , enshroud , cover , curtain , cloak , conceal , blind , cache , screen , hide".

                                  A hint to relate this to the reality, is to make the connection that people can be described as either "introvert" or "extrovert", it is not to belittle any of the 2 categories, both have good and bad qualities.

                                  Just think that "most of the generosity and naivity" come from the "extroverts", and "most of the creativity and scheming" come from the "introverts".

                                  Also, before the existance of language, all the people "bashar" were "introverts" or "jinn" due to non-existing forms of communication.

                                  From http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8469.msg41858#msg41858

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                                    FreedomStands
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                                    Peace all,

                                    "ins" comes from the root/verb "anessa" which translates as "be friendly , be sociable".

                                    "jinn" comes from the root/verb "janna" which translates as "envelop , enshroud , cover , curtain , cloak , conceal , blind , cache , screen , hide".

                                    A hint to relate this to the reality, is to make the connection that people can be described as either "introvert" or "extrovert", it is not to belittle any of the 2 categories, both have good and bad qualities.

                                    Just think that "most of the generosity and naivity" come from the "extroverts", and "most of the creativity and scheming" come from the "introverts".

                                    Also, before the existance of language, all the people "bashar" were "introverts" or "jinn" due to non-existing forms of communication.

                                    From http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8469.msg41858#msg41858

                                    So the introverts were created from smokeless fire and fire intensely hot before the extroverts, and the introvert Iblees made bold and haughty arrogant claims as compared to the extrovert Adam who was after him?

                                    Iblees announced that introverts are made of fire, while extroverts are made of mud!

                                    Am I getting it right? Help me out.

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                                      huruf
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                                      jinn, means "covered" in that sense, it does not have to have the meaning of any particular being, it may apply to any being or thing provided it is covered.

                                      Now a particular being the essence or foundation of which would be to be covered would be something else. May be in the Qur'an there are both. There may be people who afre jinn in th sense that for certain purposes they are covered ones, and then for other purposes they are not. And thtne those that their nature is to be covered.

                                      Salaam

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                                        FreedomStands
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                                        jinn, means "covered" in that sense, it does not have to have the meaning of any particular being, it may apply to any being or thing provided it is covered.

                                        Now a particular being the essence or foundation of which would be to be covered would be something else. May be in the Qur'an there are both. There may be people who afre jinn in th sense that for certain purposes they are covered ones, and then for other purposes they are not. And thtne those that their nature is to be covered.

                                        Salaam

                                        And whoever is covered is made before humankind and out of fire?

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                                          hicham9
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                                          According to the Quran (1527, 5515), it was l-Gn () that G-D apportioned out of a 'mrig' () from 'nr l summ' ( ) ...

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