IS EARTH STATIONARY/FIXED?
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Peace,
These verses about the heavens, sometimes known as the "firmament" look like they fit perfectly when applied to the Concave Earth theory.
It is often times confused with the Flat Earth and the Hollow Earth theories which are much different.
Below is a video of the model.-MG
https//youtu.be/wC79vDkb-1c
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Indeed, Earth does not "spin" around itself while whirling/revolving roundabout helios, a "giant fire ball" (400 times its scale) ~ neither in the Qurn (Divine Guidance), nor in Reality (Sense Experience) ! It's the sun/moon luminaries and stars that move/circulate above us in the heavens, each hovering about a fulcrum ? The earth (QA ) is at rest.
?Let ?imagination? picture to the mind what force air would have which was set in motion by a spherical body of 8,000 miles in diameter, which in one hour was spinning round 1,000 mph, rushing through space at 65,000 mph and gyrating across the heavens? Then let ?conjecture? endeavor to discover whether the inhabitants on such a globe could keep their hair on?
If the earth-globe rotates on its axis at the terrific rate of 1,000 miles an hour, such an immense mass would of necessity cause a tremendous rush of wind in the space it occupied. The wind would go all one way, and anything like clouds which got ?within the sphere of influence? of the rotating sphere, would have to go the same way. The fact that the earth is at rest is proved by kite flying.?
Thomas Winships
Did i mention Earth's perfectly observable and measurable FLATness ?
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Hi,
From "the quran" we can also learn that the roof of the earth has a lot of doors and when those doors are opened water falls down, evidence
5411 So We opened the doors of the sky with pouring water.Oh and the earth has eyes yes evidence
5412 And We caused eyes to gush out of the earth. Thus the waters met to a command which had been measured.Quran confirms this all yes
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Qaf-Ra-Ra = to be or become cool, remain quiet, be steadfast, be firm, refresh, be stable, be firm, receive satisfy, affirm, agree, settle, last. qarar - stability, a fixed or secure place
yeh earth is fixed... but fixed in a orbit that what the meaning of fixing,,, fixing volume in running sound dosent make the sound at rest... and other words make it more clear that's the quality of gravity that make u stable like we assume in a running bus that our body is in rest but infact its in motion so when you jump from it body make u push forward so its imp to run and make motions match.. hafiz sahib inertia ,,,
secured place ,, well the meaning are not contradicting but it gives us more explaination..that even in the motion of earth we behave and feel stable ,, that's what allah want to tell you to amaze on it..
Allah it is Who appointed for you the earth a dwelling-place
we need to thanks to allah he is telling us how he controls all the physical laws of physics and make it possible for you to dwell/live/habitate on earth.. earth is appointed as other celestial bodies but earth appointed for living sun appointed for giving heat light energy and obviously gravitational force... moon stars tree water aww everything is appointed for reason.
Is not He (best) Who made the earth fixed place and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any Allah beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not! (An-Naml 61)
Is the translation correct? Does the verses convey the message that the earth is stationary? YOUR HELP IS NEEDED.
hmm there is nothing difficult to understand in all these ayats of quran.. where is addresses it motionless and stationalry infact all things are in harmony and support of movement lets look at last ayat he made earth fixed in a orbit so gravity makes it fixed for you to hold you down ... as soon you go to look the full verse more hidden meaning will be prevail and rivers in the fold thereof,,, what does this mean to you have you ever encounter a river that is not running ... every river is running and travel downward .. in flat earth is this possible tell me honestly.. in the case of motion less flat earth water cycle is not possible as we know water travel downward.
next is placed firm hills in it.. the know how mountains work the one third size of mountain is on top of surface and more than double size of mountain is in earth same when u hook some nail in the wall... but again do u really think mountain are fixed,, na my frd there are plates that cause earthquake some times...
next is we placed a barrier between two seas ,, what does this mean.. a barrier of gravity as well as properties of heavy/salty water and soft/drinking water.. a barrier of gravity holds the water at the surface and heavy water always stay away from light water and light water finally evaporates...
for more details look Archimedes principal of floating bodies.. we know water can only sink a thing which is heavier than water weight.. so automatically heavy water stay where it is and light water never sink in depthness..furthermore it stays in planet .. in flat earth motionless model Archimedes principal cant work,,
Portuguese exploration of Africa and Asia, Columbus's voyage to the Americas (1492) and finally Ferdinand Magellan's circumnavigation of the Earth (1519?21) provided the final, practical proofs for the global shape of the Earth.
and ending part of verse but most of them dnt know... here is the answer for this
A later classic Sunni commentary, the Tafsir al-Jalalayn written in the early 16th century says "As for His words sutihat, ?laid out flat?, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay?a) have it, even if this does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law. Other translations render "made flat" as "spread out".
The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) ?And the mountains as pegs? . He called them awtaad (pegs) even though these mountains may have large flat surfaces. And the same is true in this case."
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A later classic Sunni commentary, the Tafsir al-Jalalayn written in the early 16th century says "As for His words sutihat, ?laid out flat?, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay?a) have it, even if this does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law. Other translations render "made flat" as "spread out".
Indeed, QA. soiat (ت, the passive form of vb. saaa (َ , doesn't mean Earth got "spread out" (as the majority miscalculate) but lit. translates as it got flattened, or made level, ie. laid out flat ? put into tabular form.
Earth has no https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-TxHdsKWB3Eg/VuQC9EwBnpI/AAAAAAAAAjY/3vwvpjpaW2gre7gcUmy1FWsdsPPz7LdWA/s1600/398b8c3e58e961cdea0fe626771f3243.png
It's planate, not a "planet".http//airpano.ru/files/Stratosphere-Caucasus/images/image2.jpg
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EARTH IS STATIONARY
Geocentrism? Wasn't that disproven?
Good question. Like many of you, we were surprised to find out the answer to this question is actually no! Many theories have been brought forward to suggest that the earth moves, but so far all experimental evidence has failed to demonstrate the motion of the earth.
Notable experiments that either failed to demonstrate the earth's motion or are supportive of geocentrism
1610 Galileo's Phases of Venus
Tycho Brahe's geocentric model explained this, as well as the retrograde motion of Mars, by having the other planets orbit the sun while Earth remains motionless with the sun orbiting it.1871 Airy's failure (Animated explanation)
Airy pointed two telescopes side-by-side at the same star. One was filled with air, the other with water. If Earth were moving, the aberration of the starlight was predicted to be exaggerated in the water-filled telescope due to refraction.This was not observed.
1887 Michelson-Morley
Michelson & Morley tried to find a difference in speed between two light beams, one traveling in the direction of Earth's (alleged) orbit and another perpendicular to it. This difference was predicted to correspond to a 66,000 mph orbital motion of Earth.This was not observed.
In spite of the fact that Geocentrism would have explained the results perfectly, Michelson completely ignored that when he published several potential explanations for the dumbfounding data.
Incidentally, Einstein rejected Michelson's hypotheses in favor of his own Relativity. Einstein argued there was no difference in the speeds of the two light beams because lightspeed is constant and unchanging. In spite of the bizarre implications of this theory, such as time-dilation, length-contraction, and relativity of simultaneity, the scientific community came to accept it because the alternative (Geocentrism) was simply unthinkable to them.
1913 Sagnac .PDF
Sagnac was a Frenchman who refused to accept Einstein's theory of constant lightspeed, and designed an experiment to falsify it by measuring a non-constant lightspeed on a spinning disc.He succeeded. Soon after, Einstein revised his original Relativity Theory by declaring it only applied in special cases, like when the observer is not accelerating. That's why it's called Special Relativity.
1925 Michelson-Pearson-Gale .PDF 1 .PDF 2
Despite his failure to prove Earth was orbiting the sun, Michelson set out to prove Earth was spinning on its axis.The experiment was considered a success. However, whereas Michelson believed he had proved Earth is rotating within the aether, Geocentrists believe he proved the aether is rotating around Earth.
1942 Dufour-Prunier
The French duo, Dufour and Prunier, performed a variety of interesting variations on Sagnac's original experiment. They reported lightspeed is always observed to be c+v (where v is the speed of the rotor in Earth's frame) regardless of whetherthe observer is co-rotating with the device
the observer is sitting stationary in the lab (while the optical bench co-rotates with the rotor)
some of the mirrors comprising the optical circuit are stationary in the lab while others co-rotate on the rotor (the light is diverted from a set of spinning mirrors up to a set of stationary mirrors suspended in the air over the rotor, then diverted back down to the spinning mirrors and observer)
They concluded that Relativity is 'in complete disagreement' with the results. Amazingly, mainstream science has been ignoring their experiments for over 70 years... and counting. The support for Geocentrism in these experiments may not be immediately obvious, and it's a little difficult to explain but this video illustrates it nicely.
2004 Wang .PDF
For almost a century, acceptance of Special Relativity prevailed in spite of the experiments of Sagnac and Michelson-Pearson-Gale (Dufour-Prunier was, and still is, simply ignored) because it was argued that they measured lightspeed in an accelerating frame of reference and Special Relativity doesn't apply in such cases.But in 2004, Dr. Wang proved that a non-accelerating observer can also measure a difference in lightspeed, falsifying the commonly accepted explanation for Michelson-Morley (Special Relativity) and proving that Earth is indeed motionless.
Physicist Dr. Robert Bennett has developed a Geocentric theory to explain all of this data (incidentally, it's the only theory in the world which actually tries to make sense of every single one of these experiments). The theory is called A.L.F.A., Absolute Lab Frame & Flexible Aether.
Doesn't Foucault's pendulum demonstrate the Coriolis effect and prove Earth is rotating?
Foucault's pendulum is one of the most famous demonstrations claiming to prove earth's motion. While the basic premise (that the earth rotating underneath the pendulum makes it slowly change direction) might seem to be correct, Mach's Principle requires that the universe rotating around Earth is an equally valid explanation.An alternate, and more plausible, theory is that the universal, rotating aether drags the pendulum around.
How do you explain the Eotvos effect?
Just as a bird flying into the wind experiences greater lift and weightlessness, so a bullet flying eastward, into the aether wind, will experience lift (Eotvos Effect). Earth remains stationary.Well what about geostationary satellites, then?
This is also covered by Mach's Principle. It is also covered by aether theory, where two counter-currents of aether cancel each others' effects at the altitude of the geostationary satellite orbits. See this thread for a more detailed description of this ingenious hypothesis.It should be pointed out here that if geostationary satellites were to prove Earth cannot be motionless, then modern science is doomed, because according to Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, Earth must be able to remain motionless. That was the whole point of Einstein's theory... to enable any object in the universe to be considered as completely motionless. So if you subscribe to Relativity, you cannot refute Geocentrism without also refuting Relativity! Attempt to do so at your own risk...
If Earth isn't spinning, then the stars must be literally circling Earth every 24 hours. But given the vast distance between Earth and the stars, this would mean they are moving faster than light! But that's impossible!
That nothing can exceed the speed of light is actually a common misconception. Even Albert Einstein's Theory of General Relativity lets objects move at any speed, even faster than light, so it's a wonder that this objection is so common. You can read an explanation in this thread from /r/asksciencediscussion. -
Hi,
From "the quran" we can also learn that the roof of the earth has a lot of doors and when those doors are opened water falls down, evidence
5411 So We opened the doors of the sky with pouring water.Oh and the earth has eyes yes evidence
5412 And We caused eyes to gush out of the earth. Thus the waters met to a command which had been measured.Quran confirms this all yes
Peace bro,
Earth does not have eyes... the Arabic word 'A3yn means a pond or a place where water stays all the time.
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Peace bro,
Earth does not have eyes... the Arabic word 'A3yn means a pond or a place where water stays all the time.
salaam bro,
I thought it was obvious that I was being ironic.
Anyway what I find intrestring is that you and some other member only commented on the "eyes" verse.
So do you think the earth has a roof with doors which can be opened (5411)? For me, both verses (eyes and doors) are equally nonsense the way I "explained" them. -
So do you think the earth has a roof with doors which can be opened (5411)? For me, both verses (eyes and doors) are equally nonsense the way I "explained" them.
C'mon bro, haven't you seen Truman Show? There you have a door, albeit very near the horizon. )
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I thought it was obvious that I was being ironic.
965 And if you ask them, surely they will say, "Only we were conversing and playing." Say, "Is it Allah and His Verses and His Messenger (that) you were mocking?"
Anyway what I find intrestring is that you and some other member only commented on the "eyes" verse.
So do you think the earth has a roof with doors which can be opened (5411)? For me, both verses (eyes and doors) are equally nonsense the way I "explained" them.There is a lot of speculation about the "gates" in this response but bear with me I only seek the truth.
5411 So We opened (the) gates (of) heaven with water pouring down
5412 And We caused to burst the earth (with) springs, so met the water(s) for a matter already predestined.If you take this translation and accept the notion that the sky above us is a structured roof as Quran highlights, it is possible to conceive that this roof may have specific designated areas that can be more dense than others upon the will of our Lord. These specific areas can give away under some type of atmospheric pressure and let the waters from above the roof pour down to our plane. It is also not far-fetched to suppose that there could be literally some form of gates in this roof structure.
What I won't do is ridicule, because the truth could be nothing like you'd imagine it to be.
If my Lord says gates then it is gates.
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C'mon bro, haven't you seen Truman Show? There you have a door, albeit very near the horizon.
Great movie.
Actually, I think if the earth was indeed like in the movie then we would have the same situations like Jim Carrey when he tried to escape.
As soon as we make an attempt to reach the outer of the dome then all kind of obstacles would be thrown at us. -
965 And if you ask them, surely they will say, "Only we were conversing and playing." Say, "Is it Allah and His Verses and His Messenger (that) you were mocking?"
Hi,
I also thought it was obvious that I was not mocking the quran but giving an example about how some twist (knowing or unknowing) verses to make it fit to their conviction.
btw ayaats does not mean verse but signs as per my understanding but I could be wrong.
There is a lot of speculation about the "gates" in this response but bear with me I only seek the truth.
5411 So We opened (the) gates (of) heaven with water pouring down
5412 And We caused to burst the earth (with) springs, so met the water(s) for a matter already predestined.If you take this translation and accept the notion that the sky above us is a structured roof as Quran highlights, it is possible to conceive that this roof may have specific designated areas that can be more dense than others upon the will of our Lord. These specific areas can give away under some type of atmospheric pressure and let the waters from above the roof pour down to our plane. It is also not far-fetched to suppose that there could be literally some form of gates in this roof structure.
What I won't do is ridicule, because the truth could be nothing like you'd imagine it to be.
If my Lord says gates then it is gates.
RED That is great! Me too. And I hope everyone else here too.
GREEN Yes I agree, sorry if it was offending.What you described can be very well true, but for me that is an unlikely scenario for a lot of reasons
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Great movie.
Actually, I think if the earth was indeed like in the movie then we would have the same situations like Jim Carrey when he tried to escape.
As soon as we make an attempt to reach the outer of the dome then all kind of obstacles would be thrown at us.But that is the case Bender.
There is a tremendous correlation between rocket launches and comets. Look it up.
Have you not come across ALL the many Signs in the Quran that mention that the sky is filled with guards and every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke?
Look at the surah with jinn talking about how they sought to touch the heaven but they found it filled with guards.
Look at surah ArRahman where Allah tells men and jinn to try and go beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth if they can, but they won't be able to without authority.
728 And that we sought to touch the heaven but we found it filled (with) guards severe, and flaming fires.
729 And that we used to sit there in positions for hearing, but (he) who listens now will find for him a flaming fire waiting.5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
There are many more Signs like the above
What do you think when you are reading these Signs or are you pondering at all?
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Kings Dethroned. By Gerard Hickson.
The Enlightenment of the World. By John G. Abizaid
Also
Zetetic Cosmogony. By Thomas Winship.
The Terrestrial Plane. By Frederick H. Cook
100 Proofs Earth is Not a Globe. By William Carpenter.
Terra Firma The Earth Not a Planet. By David W. Scott.
Zetetic Astronomy Earth Not a Globe. By Samuel B. Rowbotham.And 200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball . By Eric Dubay.
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But that is the case Bender.
Hi,
I have never heard of someone who had similar experience as Jim Carey.
There are no stop signs on the south pole district. If you have the money then you can make a trip to it, like many people are doing now and in the past.There is a tremendous correlation between rocket launches and comets. Look it up.
Have you not come across ALL the many Signs in the Quran that mention that the sky is filled with guards and every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke?
Look at the surah with jinn talking about how they sought to touch the heaven but they found it filled with guards.
Look at surah ArRahman where Allah tells men and jinn to try and go beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth if they can, but they won't be able to without authority.
728 And that we sought to touch the heaven but we found it filled (with) guards severe, and flaming fires.
729 And that we used to sit there in positions for hearing, but (he) who listens now will find for him a flaming fire waiting.5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
There are many more Signs like the above
What do you think when you are reading these Signs or are you pondering at all?
RED When I read translations like "every time a devil snatches something by sitting to listen he is chased with fire and smoke" then for me it's a clear sign that something is totally wrong with the translation. I can think of at least ten "valid" reasons why it totally makes no sense to me.
Yes I ponder on verses of the Quran but I try not to translate them to my conviction, if I do that then I am not reading the verses but my conviction. In this way I can make every verse fit my conviction.btw I have probably a different understanding then yours what a jinn is.
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Why do you assume such translation is wrong? That seems arbitrary.
Forget about the jinn.
My point was that the Quran conveys the heavens are indeed filled with guards and projectiles deter away those who attempt to pass the roof.There is massive evidence in the Quran and it is no translational error.
If so you claim, though, then I'd have to ask how you'd interpret it and also your methodology and sources.You cannot deny that the Quran conveys the heavens are filled with guards or protection.
Please take your time and read all these Signs.1514-18
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675 rujuman= missiles/projectiles
861-4It is clear that the stars, beyond being beautifying phenomena inspiring acknowledgement of Allah as Signs of His Creation of the Heavens and the Earth,
are missiles/projectiles (thrown) set up as a protecting/guarding mechanism against the Roof breachers.Great movie.
Actually, I think if the earth was indeed like in the movie then we would have the same situations like Jim Carrey when he tried to escape.
As soon as we make an attempt to reach the outer of the dome then all kind of obstacles would be thrown at us.That is exactly what the Quran in those Signs posted above is indicating. So please ponder about this and do not mock.
Because the Quran is literally saying that things are thrown =rujuman at those who attempt to approach the ceiling in 675
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Why do you assume such translation is wrong? That seems arbitrary.
Hi,
Because it totally makes no sense to me.
Not only a little bit but like everything.Forget about the jinn.
My point was that the Quran conveys the heavens are indeed filled with guards and projectiles deter away those who attempt to pass the roof.A roof? From what is it made? Till this day no one ever saw a roof or a guard with his/her telescope.
There is massive evidence in the Quran and it is no translational error.
If so you claim, though, then I'd have to ask how you'd interpret it and also your methodology and sources.RED If the quran speaks the truth and your translation is the truth then show me. Have you ever heard of someone who claimed he saw this roof?
You cannot deny that the Quran conveys the heavens are filled with guards or protection.
What do you mean with guards and protection?
Please take your time and read all these Signs.
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675 rujuman= missiles/projectiles
861-4It is clear that the stars, beyond being beautifying phenomena inspiring acknowledgement of Allah as Signs of His Creation of the Heavens and the Earth,
are missiles/projectiles (thrown) set up as a protecting/guarding mechanism against the Roof breachers.What roof breachers are you talking about? I seriously have never heard of someone who is on a mission to reach the roof.
How big do you think a star is? I mean if a star is a missile then how big is it's target? To stop me from reaching the roof you seriously do not need a star as a missile?That is exactly what the Quran in those Signs posted above is indicating. So please ponder about this and do not mock.
I do not mock or at least that is not my intention, but sometimes some things are so unrealistic to me that maybe I express myself not in a correct way.
Because the Quran is literally saying that things are thrown =rujuman at those who attempt to approach the ceiling in 675
Let Allah guide you and fill your sudurin with knowledge and wisdom from Him.When you read such translations do you not have a feeling that at least it sounds weird?
You should know that the people who translated the quran are just people like you and me.
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Hi,
Because it totally makes no sense to me.
Not only a little bit but like everything.A roof? From what is it made? Till this day no one ever saw a roof or a guard with his/her telescope.
RED If the quran speaks the truth and your translation is the truth then show me. Have you ever heard of someone who claimed he saw this roof?
What do you mean with guards and protection?
What roof breachers are you talking about? I seriously have never heard of someone who is on a mission to reach the roof.
How big do you think a star is? I mean if a star is a missile then how big is it's target? To stop me from reaching the roof you seriously do not need a star as a missile?
I do not mock or at least that is not my intention, but sometimes some things are so unrealistic to me that maybe I express myself not in a correct way.
When you read such translations do you not have a feeling that at least it sounds weird?You should know that the people who translated the quran are just people like you and me.
When they where translating they had not a dictionary included with the quran, they are just guessing like you and me.When i was a child (around 35 years ago) i read about the meeting of 2 seas in quran. The explanation of that verse at that time is ok with science and common understanding at that time, which is something like the meeting of mediteranian sea and red sea in suez or anything like that.
But now with the advancement of our understanding, we can see that quran is actually talking about the meeting of salty and fresh water in the ocean literally, which was unthinkable 35 years ago.
Can you imagine what will happen to somebody from our time if he go back 35 years ago (or more) and told the people that quran literally talk about the meeting of salty and fresh water in the ocean and they dont get mixed up at all? almost everyone will mock him, unless the ones with the open mind.
If only all our (we as humankind) research is pointed out to dig what the quran literally say, maybe the fact about salty and fresh water have been found much much earlier.
Do you think that the sky as the roof, gates in heaven, and missile for the jinn that quran talk about has similar case with this? Such as animal communication to sulaiman and among themselves. In my perception, it is a big yes.
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guys , our arguments always started when we think everything by our own perceptive,
one need to understand when God communicates with humans its something that human can understand,
Allah have eyes but his eyes are not like us, limited and lens body parts etc,, but Allah dnt need to see world by lens.
Allah has hands but not like us , that can only bear certain amount of load.
allah has ears bit not like us ..
same way if Allah is refering a roof we suddenly start thinking about the roof what that made up of,, how does it look like,, how does it works , mechanism etc..
now star discussing about material things , infact investigating the source of creation is out of reach,,now see one verse ,, do not the unbelievers see that we created heavens without pillars,, we raised heavens and imposed balance,,
have you ever see a roof in this world without pillars its magical , but we cant make roof here in this planet without pillars gravity make it fall down,, but why you guys are thinking about gravity law in case of Allah he know how to make roof without pillars he know how to rectify the laws of physics,, one need to understnd these things with the power of Allah.. no telescope can grasp a image of roof what you consider roof is not the roof same like pur house ,, by roof mean Allah protected everything in balance under his observation..
time travelling is not possible for us but its Allah who can break the law of physics anytime,
reversal of time in the case of birds flight of abraham,
reversal of time in the case of a person who sleep for one hundred years and bones of donkey he see..but generally laws of physics are going towards fututre same like expanding universe..glass cant be unbroken, we are getting old , time is moving forward, but for him he can change the laws anytimme anywhere he wishes,,
but make sure while discussing the source of God creations we need not to b agressive , we need to understand deeply the characteristics of source.
peace