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    hawk99
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    Salute @hawk99, all

    Where does one find such a definition in the Qurn!?

    Peace hicham9 9/31, 14/52 33/40

    Salute @hawk99, all

    ~ What's the qurnic word for "religion"?

    Do you mean "Arabic" word for "religion"?

    God bless

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      hicham9
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      9/31, 14/52 33/40

      What's the qurnic word for "religion" in these passages!?

      Do you mean "Arabic" word for "religion"?

      No!

      By "the qurnic word for religion" I meant
      The word G-D used in the Qurn to denote "religion"!

      Ps. In (post-qurnic) Arabic, the word for "religion" is diynah () Pl. diynt () !

      SLM

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        reel
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        Why do you feel the need to choose between the inner and outer prostration,
        Physical in addition to mental prostration is better than either one alone.

        Although from my experience I can say that in love for Allah bowing and prostrating happen naturally due to our mental conditioning the article points outIf we take the above as prostrations/prostrating (as some translations do), then this would clearly imply that no matter which direction the shadow faces it is STILL prostrating to/for God, i.e. God is everywhere, which links with "to God belongs the east and west so wherever you turn there is God's face/regard", see 2115. This strongly and clearly implies direction is irrelevant here.

        Should I show Allah my rear end from the other direction by physically bowing and prostrating? I would think of it as little insulting. I have learned that my eyes shut down when I am reciting Quran verses to praise and worship him.

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Reel,

          Whatever direction you face you show your rear towards GOD so it is no big deal.

          Be well

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            FreedomStands
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            Reel,

            Whatever direction you face you show your rear towards GOD so it is no big deal.

            Be well

            God also exists within all butt cracks and toilets and doesn't mind giving the similitude of a gnat or anything smaller.

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              Man_of_Faith
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              Freedomstands,

              Do not say that to a sectarian Muslim. They will be upset. You cannot even say GOD's name in a toilet.

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                FreedomStands
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                Freedomstands,

                Do not say that to a sectarian Muslim. They will be upset. You cannot even say GOD's name in a toilet.

                Made me laugh imagining saying God's name into a toilet, even funnier if its an emergency exhale from a plumber at work. Yes, they often use the toilet as the reason for saying Allah is not everywhere, but then they say Allah's knowledge is everywhere, which somehow leaves Allah less sullied in their imagination. Of course they should consider, Allah is the creator of all that stuff, the whole system of pooping and poop itself, that doesn't mean poop is good for us but Allah is deep inside poop dealing with all the little bacteria inside and whatever else on this flat earth of ours.

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                  hawk99
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                  What's the qurnic word for "religion" in these passages!?

                  No!

                  By "the qurnic word for religion" I meant
                  The word G-D used in the Qurn to denote "religion"!

                  Ps. In (post-qurnic) Arabic, the word for "religion" is diynah () Pl. diynt () !

                  SLM

                  Peace hicham9

                  In the passages (9/31,14/52, 33/40) refer to one God and Muhammad as his messenger.
                  as per the definition of Islam

                  Although from my experience I can say that in love for Allah bowing and prostrating happen naturally due to our mental conditioning the article points outIf we take the above as prostrations/prostrating (as some translations do), then this would clearly imply that no matter which direction the shadow faces it is STILL prostrating to/for God, i.e. God is everywhere, which links with "to God belongs the east and west so wherever you turn there is God's face/regard", see 2115. This strongly and clearly implies direction is irrelevant here.

                  Peace reel, don't be fooled by such explanations, the facing is for
                  oneness and uniformity during congregational prayer.

                  God bless

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                    hafeez_kazi
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                    Peace

                    Your ally is none but Allah and His Messenger and those who have believed. Those who establish prayer and give zakah, and they are those who bow 555

                    He, who bows establishes salat and gives zakat brickwall

                    Every believer establishes salat and gives zakat without BOWING brickwall

                    What is the connection between zakat and BOWING? Does someone needs to BOW before giving zakat.

                    Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason 822

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                      mmkhan
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                      Peace,

                      Definition of Islam

                      noun Is?lam \is-l?m, iz-, -lam, is-, iz-\

                      the religion which teaches that there is only one God and that
                      Muhammad is God's prophet the religion of Muslims

                      Easy yes, unless you make your own definitions. nope

                      God bless

                      peace

                      Peace brother,

                      Yes, agreed!
                      You have given the definition of religion where Islam is not included even in your definition.
                      It could be a religion of sunnis or shias or many other sects/groups.

                      May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                      mmKhan

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        Hafez kazi,

                        That portrays me someone who gladly bows down and says "Thank you! Come again!".

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                          mmkhan
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                          In the passages (9/31,14/52, 33/40) refer to one God and Muhammad as his messenger.
                          as per the definition of Islam

                          Peace bro,

                          Thank you for the aayaat.

                          • is about Eisa not Muhammad as you mentioned by mistake.
                          • is about Allah alone, no religion or Islam is mentioned in it.
                          • has nothing to do with religion or Islam.

                          May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                          mmKhan

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                            hawk99
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                            Peace bro,

                            Thank you for the aayaat.

                            0931] - is about Eisa not Muhammad as you mentioned by mistake.
                            1452] - is about Allah alone, no religion or Islam is mentioned in it.
                            3340] - has nothing to do with religion or Islam.

                            May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                            mmKhan

                            Peace mmKhan,

                            The question was "is Islam a religion?" therefore I gave you
                            the "English" definition of Islam then I mentioned the
                            three ayats to support the conclusion.

                            Peace,

                            Definition of Islam

                            noun Is?lam \is-l?m, iz-, -lam, is-, iz-\

                            the religion which teaches that there is only one God and that
                            Muhammad is God's prophet the religion of Muslims

                            Easy yes, unless you make your own definitions. nope

                            God bless

                            peace

                            1. The point of 9/31 is there is no deity except Him

                            9/31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and
                            the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to
                            worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever
                            they associate with Him.

                            1. The point of 14/52 reinforces this truth

                            This is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that
                            they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded.

                            1. The point of 33/40 is that Muhammad is a messenger of Allah.

                            Muhammad is not the father of one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah
                            and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

                            If you like, reference the three verses with the English definition of Islam.

                            May God bless you

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                              mmkhan
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                              Peace brother hawk99,

                              Thank you for clarifying your understanding.

                              That definition of the "Arabic" word Islam in "English" is not supported by alQuraan.
                              That might be a web definition which is irrelevant.

                              The way you try to fit your own definition from those 3 aayaat has nothing to do with the real definition of alQuraanic word Islam. In this way I can fit anything that I wanted to, to prove anything I wish

                              May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                              mmKhan

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                                hawk99
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                                Peace brother hawk99,

                                That definition of the "Arabic" word Islam in "English" is not supported by alQuraan.
                                That might be a web definition which is irrelevant.

                                Peace mmkhan,

                                Proof please

                                Peace brother hawk99,

                                Thank you for clarifying your understanding.

                                The way you try to fit your own definition from those 3 aayaat has nothing to do with the real definition of alQuraanic word Islam. In this way I can fit anything that I wanted to, to prove anything I wish

                                It is not my definition but Merriam-Webster English Dictionary nope
                                I am only referring to the English definition and not one that suits you. (nice try)

                                Peace mmKhan,

                                The question was "is Islam a religion?" therefore I gave you
                                the "English" definition of Islam then I mentioned the
                                three ayats to support the conclusion.

                                Quote from hawk99 on June 19, 2015, 015502 PM

                                Peace,

                                Definition of Islam

                                noun Is?lam \is-l?m, iz-, -lam, is-, iz-\

                                the religion which teaches that there is only one God and that
                                Muhammad is God's prophet the religion of Muslims
                                (You say this definition is not supported by Quran?) nope

                                1. The point of 9/31 is there is no deity except Him

                                9/31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and
                                the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to
                                worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever
                                they associate with Him.

                                1. The point of 14/52 reinforces this truth

                                This is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that
                                they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded.

                                1. The point of 33/40 is that Muhammad is a messenger of Allah.

                                Muhammad is not the father of one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah
                                and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

                                If you like, reference the three verses with the English definition of Islam.

                                Have a blessed Ramadan

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Peace mmkhan,

                                  Proof please

                                  Peace brother,

                                  Oh I have to prove it? It was not my definition nor I have quoted that definition.
                                  Anyways, proving is easy, it does not support by alQuraan, hence it is not the true definition of Arabic word "Islam".
                                  Now you need to prove it the other way.

                                  It is not my definition but Merriam-Webster English Dictionary nope
                                  I am only referring to the English definition and not one that suits you. (nice try)

                                  I told you already that you might be using a web definition.
                                  Suits me? hmm You have to refer to definition to suit what you have said.

                                  Peace mmKhan,

                                  The question was "is Islam a religion?" therefore I gave you
                                  the "English" definition of Islam then I mentioned the
                                  three ayats to support the conclusion.

                                  Quote from hawk99 on June 19, 2015, 015502 PM

                                  Peace,

                                  Definition of Islam

                                  noun Is?lam \is-l?m, iz-, -lam, is-, iz-\

                                  the religion which teaches that there is only one God and that
                                  Muhammad is God's prophet the religion of Muslims
                                  (You say this definition is not supported by Quran?) nope

                                  1. The point of 9/31 is there is no deity except Him

                                  9/31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and
                                  the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to
                                  worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever
                                  they associate with Him.

                                  1. The point of 14/52 reinforces this truth

                                  This is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that
                                  they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded.

                                  1. The point of 33/40 is that Muhammad is a messenger of Allah.

                                  Muhammad is not the father of one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah
                                  and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

                                  If you like, reference the three verses with the English definition of Islam.

                                  Peace brother,

                                  Repeating same thing again and again does not make it true. )

                                  Have a blessed Ramadan

                                  Have a blessed Ramadhaan to you brother.
                                  My Ramadhaan is over in May itself. Thanks.

                                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                  mmKhan

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                                    Man_of_Faith
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                                    Hawk99,

                                    The word Muslim refers to a person who is sound. Try to make a religion of that.

                                    It is not Quran's fault people have made it into a Pagan cult.

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                                      hawk99
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                                      Repeating same thing again and again does not make it true.

                                      Peace mmkhan,

                                      However, repeating the truth over and over does make it true.

                                      My Ramadhaan is over in May itself. Thanks.

                                      ???

                                      May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr

                                      Agreed handshake

                                      The word Muslim refers to a person who is sound. Try to make a religion of that.

                                      It is not Quran's fault people have made it into a Pagan cult.

                                      Peace Man of Faith

                                      You still have not provided your Arabic word for "kill."

                                      May God bless you both

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                                        mmkhan
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                                        Peace mmkhan,

                                        However, repeating the truth over and over does make it true.

                                        Peace brother,

                                        The truth does not need repetition. I know you will agree with this

                                        ???

                                        Yes bro, I live in India so fast accordingly.
                                        May be next year it is not gonna be same as Allah is updating me

                                        May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                        mmKhan

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                                          theAlchemist
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                                          As per 5156, we have been created to serve Allah. That means, whatever Allah guides us to or asked us to do, we have to do that way. That is the only way to serve Allah. It is the matter of individuality as we are going to stand in front of our Lord individually to answer for our deeds 1995. If Allah made you understand that you have to do alSalaat 5 times a day or 30 days of alSaum, then you are bound to do so. You cannot see others what and how they are doing.

                                          That means every individual has his/her own personal understand on the basis of what Allah has guided them to. And everyone has their own way towards their Lord, the Creator, Allah alone 548.

                                          Salaam Brother,
                                          Nice thought.Brother don't you think that this type of approach toward Islam or deen (whatever you say) will create dispute among muslims. I think, If this happen everyone will claim themselves the right one only.Then what about communal unity? Its already in our muslim community.Those four Majhab out there are exactly doing this right now. I think ,There are some verses in Quran that command us to do certain thing collectively.
                                          Share your thought on this )

                                          z.neion

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