:: How to... Salaat, Saum, Hajj, Zakaat! ::
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Salaam,
I would to share my understanding on these issues and wanted to know if anybody agrees with me.
InshaAllah, I will put forward only what Allah has guided me to.Disclaimer Please note that whatever written below is my personal understanding from my Lord, Allah. Please check carefully all the aayaat quoted and seek Allah's help before accepting or denying this.
How to perform alSalaat? What is the correct way to do alSaum and alHajj? And what is the procedure of giving alZakaat and how much? And there are many many questions like these ones. I just wanted to ask those who ask these questions, why you need other people's understandings on this? Why you want to follow others? Allah is going to ask for your deeds and you cannot point anyone saying that he/she told me to do so and so when Allah asked you why did you do so! Right?
As per 5156, we have been created to serve Allah. That means, whatever Allah guides us to or asked us to do, we have to do that way. That is the only way to serve Allah. It is the matter of individuality as we are going to stand in front of our Lord individually to answer for our deeds 1995. If Allah made you understand that you have to do alSalaat 5 times a day or 30 days of alSaum, then you are bound to do so. You cannot see others what and how they are doing.
Either Allah will make you understand by explaining you directly in your heart or through someone else who will explain you and make you understand. Now you will need to follow whatever is explained to you only if you understood it, no matter even if others who are more knowledgeable to you are practicing the other way.
You will never find any specific or precise ways for Salaat, Saum, Hajj and Zakaat in alQuraan/alKitaab. That is because fixed ritual makes it a religion and Islam is not a religion. Islam is the way towards Allah. There are many ways to reach to our Lord, Allah. Every individual is guided and leveled up as per his/her level of understanding, surroundings, culture, traditions, etc.
That means every individual has his/her own personal understand on the basis of what Allah has guided them to. And everyone has their own way towards their Lord, the Creator, Allah alone 548. In such case we cannot say/call anyone kaafir or mushrik if they are honest and sincere from their hearts towards their Lord. And we don't know what is there in an individual's heart. Today or tomorrow Allah will upgrade their level too, inshaAllah.
This is how I understand and practice at the moment by the grace of my Lord, Allah alone hail
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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How about there are no rituals to explain why you find no details?
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Salaam,
I would to share my understanding on these issues and wanted to know if anybody agrees with me.
InshaAllah, I will put forward only what Allah has guided me to.Disclaimer Please note that whatever written below is my personal understanding from my Lord, Allah. Please check carefully all the aayaat quoted and seek Allah's help before accepting or denying this.
How to perform alSalaat? What is the correct way to do alSaum and alHajj? And what is the procedure of giving alZakaat and how much? And there are many many questions like these ones. I just wanted to ask those who ask these questions, why you need other people's understandings on this? Why you want to follow others? Allah is going to ask for your deeds and you cannot point anyone saying that he/she told me to do so and so when Allah asked you why did you do so! Right?
As per 5156, we have been created to serve Allah. That means, whatever Allah guides us to or asked us to do, we have to do that way. That is the only way to serve Allah. It is the matter of individuality as we are going to stand in front of our Lord individually to answer for our deeds 1995. If Allah made you understand that you have to do alSalaat 5 times a day or 30 days of alSaum, then you are bound to do so. You cannot see others what and how they are doing.
Either Allah will make you understand by explaining you directly in your heart or through someone else who will explain you and make you understand. Now you will need to follow whatever is explained to you only if you understood it, no matter even if others who are more knowledgeable to you are practicing the other way.
You will never find any specific or precise ways for Salaat, Saum, Hajj and Zakaat in alQuraan/alKitaab. That is because fixed ritual makes it a religion and Islam is not a religion. Islam is the way towards Allah. There are many ways to reach to our Lord, Allah. Every individual is guided and leveled up as per his/her level of understanding, surroundings, culture, traditions, etc.
That means every individual has his/her own personal understand on the basis of what Allah has guided them to. And everyone has their own way towards their Lord, the Creator, Allah alone 548. In such case we cannot say/call anyone kaafir or mushrik if they are honest and sincere from their hearts towards their Lord. And we don't know what is there in an individual's heart. Today or tomorrow Allah will upgrade their level too, inshaAllah.
This is how I understand and practice at the moment by the grace of my Lord, Allah alone hail
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanI like it very much!
Thank you
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MoF, he explained that in the article, if someone's understanding is that there is no ritual so that's that person's responsibility and comprehension.Peace
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It was more of a rhetorical question.
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I fully agree with you. Great post. Something clicked in my head when I saw verse 343 today.
O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow ."
I get a completely different meaning in the verse when I read it without the addition of . I am not able to grasp it though.Notice prostrate comes before bow. In traditional salaat, the opposite happens. Also it isn't possible to prostrate without bowing first. And also there is repetition of the bow in the line. He didn't do this for prostrate. Anyone care to interpret it?
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Reel,
It is because neither of them words refer to prostration or bowing but was from playful medival sectarian interpreters who wished to insert their doctrine in an innocent text.
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Reel,
It is because neither of them words refer to prostration or bowing but was from playful medival sectarian interpreters who wished to insert their doctrine in an innocent text.
You know that bowing and prostrating pre-dates medieval times and was practiced before the Qur'an in all the religions from around the world pretty much though. It certainly would be anomaly that such a practice is lacking mention in the Qur'an when it was familiar to the Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, and Hindus of the time. It would also be interesting that the actual word doesn't exist in the Semitic language when it was such a common practice, that they had no word for it that they could recognize.
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Freedomstands,
Yes I know that very well because I am a researcher on religion and particularly Abrahamic ones. But that does not say that prostration is a prescribed practice in the perception of GOD. And the words in Quran do not refer to physical practices and since Quran is not a Pagan book it primarily focused on the abstract and speaks against materialism (Paganism).
Prostration predates most of monotheism too but people did that in polytheism to worship their gods who had a physical apparition.
The prostration itself does not come from religion exactly, but is an ancient kind of formal greeting and show of humbleness.
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Freedomstands,
Yes I know that very well because I am a researcher on religion and particularly Abrahamic ones. But that does not say that prostration is a prescribed practice in the perception of GOD. And the words in Quran do not refer to physical practices and since Quran is not a Pagan book it primarily focused on the abstract and speaks against materialism (Paganism).
Prostration predates most of monotheism too but people did that in polytheism to worship their gods who had a physical apparition.
The prostration itself does not come from religion exactly, but is an ancient kind of formal greeting and show of humbleness.
Yeah, that is right, pagans did it too, it was a type of formal expression yeah.
I did it in the swimming pool the other day, lol maybe I'm the first ever to do the formal worship in water, maybe not though.
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But worship in older Aramaic and Hebrew texts seem to lack mention of any ritual even though occasionally the people do prostate. Jesus seems to oppose the Pagan way of praying altogether. There are never any specific details on prayer mentioned in any non-Arabic text that I have encountered so far. I have seen kneeling and outstretched hands as well.
I consider the prostration ritual to be a sectarian invention and a remnant from Paganism. Not do GOD have any need for it whatsoever nor do you as a person have any benefit from doing some intricate physical moves either except from natural exercise. GOD knows what you are going to say before you even opened your mouth and GOD knows better than you do what you need.
"Prayer" in the non-sectarian account is meant for personal reminding; that you recite a succession of chosen words to realize yourself in whereupon you say "amen" (be done so).
GOD on the other hand is in constant communion with you as long as you are not sealed off which happens that the majority of people are because their "Door" fades away while their helmet falls down over their eyes so they cannot see.
And the way you glorify GOD is by walking in its aura to be perfected. Only the good fruit will be harvested and saved. The bad will be discarded, and sadly it appears GOD's harvest will be meager. But GOD likes the best of the best for why should GOD "eat" rotten fruit?
The roots need to not be from this world.
Be well
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But worship in older Aramaic and Hebrew texts seem to lack mention of any ritual even though occasionally the people do prostate. Jesus seems to oppose the Pagan way of praying altogether. There are never any specific details on prayer mentioned in any non-Arabic text that I have encountered so far. I have seen kneeling and outstretched hands as well.
I consider the prostration ritual to be a sectarian invention and a remnant from Paganism. Not do GOD have any need for it whatsoever nor do you as a person have any benefit from doing some intricate physical moves either except from natural exercise. GOD knows what you are going to say before you even opened your mouth and GOD knows better than you do what you need.
"Prayer" in the non-sectarian account is meant for personal reminding; that you recite a succession of chosen words to realize yourself in whereupon you say "amen" (be done so).
GOD on the other hand is in constant communion with you as long as you are not sealed off which happens that the majority of people are because their "Door" fades away while their helmet falls down over their eyes so they cannot see.
And the way you glorify GOD is by walking in its aura to be perfected. Only the good fruit will be harvested and saved. The bad will be discarded, and sadly it appears GOD's harvest will be meager. But GOD likes the best of the best for why should GOD "eat" rotten fruit?
The roots need to not be from this world.
Be well
I try to do both the aura thing and the meditative exercise thing, I consider the formal worship (pagan as it may be, since indeed the pagans did worship in a similar manner throughout history), a meditative practice which does have the benefit, at least in my case, of relaxing me and bringing back my focus and stuff, taking breaks throughout the day to do that seems to have some benefit for some people (it isn't for God, but for the individual to profit, God never profits from anything because to God belongs all wealth and all that jazz, and all jazz as well). God isn't very important to me in that sense, because God will always win, aka who cares about God. I'm concerned about my survival and comfort now that I've been created.
I want to make a picture thread in the trash, will you contribute? I heard you're fit.
I do lots of exercise and fun stuff, I am nice to people etc, but it isn't so much for external reactions as it is for loving being beautiful in conduct, I like seeing myself pretty, and everything I do is so that when I ask the mirror on the wall who the fairest one of all is, it is always me, and if it ever isn't, I try to get better and better.
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Meditation is good for as long as you do not turn it into ritualism in the sectarianistic sense. It has to retain its purpose and intention.
I learned "meditative mood state" (as I may call it) some years ago meaning I can begin a focused session wherever I am and I am always in a semi-meditative trance. This is possible when you can "separate the spirit from the flesh" and connect straight through your "Door".
I can generally sense when the body is going to make me act instinctively or when it overwhelmed my open "Door" that I lose control. The key is to be prepared and act proactively before you fail and nowadays I can save the moments when I would lose control in the past. Emotions are usually the worst triggering factor and those can be tough even for a skilled "spiritualist" to restrain. Anger is probably the hardest of them when you would think you have a valid reason to be angry your body more often than not deceived you.
This aspect is often nearly nonexistent in sectarian faith unfortunately despite that Quran beneath its sectarian interpretation speaks much of it.
If you were open minded towards the Biblical Gospels they can teach a thing or two about control, if you follow Jesus emotional detachment for when people mistreat you and you can still manage to turn the other cheek to someone who slapped you on the first one instead of a straight right fist. Jesus taught principles to bring with you in life to apply when possible, and the one who can apply them the most is successful.
It may sound like Buddhism, but the spiritual aspect of those teachings from there are those with best integrity from the prophets.
Islam teaches something entirely different and it is sad that a faith can be so corrupted. They teach it is okay to indulge in the physical creation. On that level I am not a Muslim anymore despite following the same scripture ironically.
Be well
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My intention is to make a full conversion so I am not only semi-meditative but fully absorbed, but it appears I am only close but not there. It is called Nirvana in Buddhism. There are many measures to take to achieve it and you have to staunchly make sure to follow every parameter of the so-called 'Ten Commandments' as well as abstaining from the body, which does not mean miserable living by nearly killing the body but only being in control rather than controlled. Jesus said "... while I am a glutton and a drunkard". It is the held control over matter that counts. A quick way is to get rid of all your love for possessions and the chemical reactions in your body.
Be well
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I fully agree with you. Great post. Something clicked in my head when I saw verse 343 today.
O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow ."
I get a completely different meaning in the verse when I read it without the addition of . I am not able to grasp it though.Notice prostrate comes before bow. In traditional salaat, the opposite happens. Also it isn't possible to prostrate without bowing first. And also there is repetition of the bow in the line. He didn't do this for prostrate. Anyone care to interpret it?
O Mary, be dutiful for your Lord and submit/acknowledge/prostrate and yield/bow/incline/humble-yourself with those who yield/bow/incline/humble
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
I agree with the message of the op.
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Peace,
Praise Allah for what He has guided us to.
AlhamduliAllahi Rabbil Aalameena hailI like it very much!
Thank you
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MoF, he explained that in the article, if someone's understanding is that there is no ritual so that's that person's responsibility and comprehension.Peace
Thank you.
And also would like to thank you for your reply to MoF.I fully agree with you.
Thank you.
I agree with the message of the op.
Thank you.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
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O Mary, be dutiful for your Lord and submit/acknowledge/prostrate and yield/bow/incline/humble-yourself with those who yield/bow/incline/humble
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
Thanks Wakas for the priceless link.
This one I would take home
Being submissive / to honour / to pay respect could be said to be more universal concepts and tell us something about one's mindset, whilst conducting a "physical prostration" may or may not, as it is a superficial body-physical action. So one has to ask themselves what is God primarily concerned with is it a person's mindset or a physical act? Of course, God is primarily concerned with the deep and universal concept and not the superficial "physical prostration". We can empirically verify this ourselves by observing the fact that many people do "physical prostration" yet disobey God. So have they really done the "SuJuD" that is discussed in AQ?
Making superficial display is not what AQ is about, and this can clearly be seen in 2264, 438, 847, 1076 and other verses. It is commonly stated in Traditional Islam that one's intention is most important, and this shows that the inner outranks the outer, internal is more important than external. Outer/external display is secondary, not primary.Reel,
It is because neither of them words refer to prostration or bowing but was from playful medival sectarian interpreters who wished to insert their doctrine in an innocent text.
I suppose it was enforced from other religions like Judaism, but again, even that one ended up with innovations or downgrade.
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Being submissive / to honour / to pay respect could be said to be more universal concepts and tell us something about one's mindset, whilst conducting a "physical prostration" may or may not, as it is a superficial body-physical action. So one has to ask themselves what is God primarily concerned with is it a person's mindset or a physical act? Of course, God is primarily concerned with the deep and universal concept and not the superficial "physical prostration". We can empirically verify this ourselves by observing the fact that many people do "physical prostration" yet disobey God. So have they really done the "SuJuD" that is discussed in AQ?
Making superficial display is not what AQ is about, and this can clearly be seen in 2264, 438, 847, 1076 and other verses. It is commonly stated in Traditional Islam that one's intention is most important, and this shows that the inner outranks the outer, internal is more important than external. Outer/external display is secondary, not primary.
I suppose it was enforced from other religions like Judaism, but again, even that one ended up with innovations or downgrade.Peace,
Why do you feel the need to choose between the inner and outer prostration,
Physical in addition to mental prostration is better than either one alone.Peace,
To me religion is a fixed set of beliefs and practices.
Blessed Ramadhaan to you too.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanDefinition of Islam
noun Is?lam \is-l?m, iz-, -lam, is-, iz-\
the religion which teaches that there is only one God and that
Muhammad is God's prophet the religion of MuslimsEasy yes, unless you make your own definitions. nope
God bless
peace
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Salute @hawk99, all
Definition of Islam
noun Is?lam \is-l?m, iz-, -lam, is-, iz-\
the religion which teaches that there is only one God and that
Muhammad is God's prophet the religion of MuslimsEasy yes, unless you make your own definitions.
Where does one find such a definition in the Qurn!?
~ What's the qurnic word for "religion"?
