problem with salah(contact prayer) please help me:(
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Armanaziz,
The difference between you and me does not arise not so much in terms of understanding God (or the RABB) - rather in understanding "How to approach God". In your world VIEW taking any form of symbol for the RABB is unacceptable to the RABB. You feel physical acts like prostrations imply God to be a physical entity and hence is a form of "shirk"! This is where I absolutely differ. I view there can be many different ways of approaching God or RABB and each major religion in fact preaches some different approach. To me, since humans themselves are limited in physical time and space and their body and mind are synchronized into one - physically prostrating to the RABB definitely helps him concentrate his respect and reverence to the "Foundation" of all existance. And adhering to physical rituals is one of the very many paths that can potentially lead us to the same destination.
I too very much agree with you on this. Thanks for your explanation )
Peace.
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Man of Faith tries hard though to interpret the Quran so as to free people from being forced to perform rituals whether they prefer them or not, from fixed ancient culture government laws as according to the current version of Quran translation, limited gender roles, a God who professes to have excellent traits yet actions show something else, etc into a softer and more spiritual version of the Quran. His method of translation has been interesting to me, mainly because of the meanings he has been deriving from them.
So yeah, there would still be clash of perspectives every now and then, but then at least Man of Faith tries to deliver what he finds suitable from his perspective, and hence help a number of people (such as me) to gain better understandings and peace as well.
I appreciate you guys, Armanaziz and others, to have interesting discussions and deliver valuable insights and perspectives. May Allah bless you all for the amount of time you guys spend to try to understand spiritual matters better.
Peace.
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Arman,
Your excessive emphasis on "no physical ritual approach" turns you incapable of accepting and understanding approaches of others. "My path is the only right path" attitude arises out of envy of others - and is sure to lead to a narrow sectarian mindset.
I can understand others, but it is a dangerous path and erroneous because you agreed yourself that the Rabb it not separate from yourself nor the world and other beings since it is the platform of existence itself. That is not "excessive emphasis" but a word of advice to everyone around me, and many people believe that this Quran says it while it does not due to sectarian meddling with its interpretation.
Obsessive-compulsive rituals are not part of the deen even though one can on own volition do some sort of "concentration exercise" that they have found to work on them, e.g. meditation.
You are still wrong about me because I can accept and understand the practices of others, but I can still say that they are deluded due to misguidance out there if I have the appropriate information. My work here is out of empathy and compassion for other humans and that I seek to help them and not boast my ego.
"Your excessive emphasis on "no physical ritual approach"" is simply because that is not the way of the Rabb, with an emphasis on PHYSICAL. Prostration as a practice requires a target and that target is lacking with the Rabb. And to have a "holy" location on Earth requires a concentration of energy over that spot making it an idol, i.e. an image of the Rabb somewhere which is against parameter 2 on the 'Ten Commandments'.
You see, it is just a propagation of information that I am commencing on this forum and not a dogmatic spree. Not do I wish for my fellow humans to be stuck in the god delusion with Pagan rituals. But should they not desire to hearken unto my words they are free to continue with whatever practice they were doing. I just like to free them of shackles that are meaningless that they do because of a delusion of a dogmatic god is enforcing them. If they still want to do rituals and rites without it being thought of being enforced by a scripture then that is up to them. I personally do meditation every now and then and it could count as a ritual depending on how you see it, although a ritual to me is compulsive behavior. I interpret 'ritual' as a word with a negative implication which is dumbening because in the end you just do it due to the compulsive nature.
My Master has been kind enough to broaden my mind and guide me to how people differ in the teaching of various prophets - and I am not going back to a narrow mindset, no matter how much you try. I have learnt from the Qur?an that piety is not in turning to the east or the west. God does not differentiate between who goes to Mecca for spiritual awakening vs. who goes to Kailsh. God judges by faith and action of people. But of all the various paths leading to God, Qur?an recommends a middle path (millat-i-ibrahim) which encourages ritually offering our reverence, our purity and our obedience to the Master of the universe, but rejects taking any image of God and then calling it God. The criteria of judgement is not whether one is expressing his reverence physically or mentally - the criteria is whether one has been conscious and had faith and acted righteously.
With all due respect, "millat abraham" as per the sectarian interpretation of Quran is definitely not the "middle way". It has a clear distinction of the god rather than evening the god out on all of existence in oneness. The only middle way is by seeing the world from the perspective of pantheism or otherwise it is dualism or more theism. Despite their strange deviation in Buddhism and Hinduism they have more of a middle way on the god perception than "millat abraham' because they do not really have any central god at all.
As for your approach to force-fitting Qur'an into your world view is concerned, I find it not worthy of discussion.
It is not my world view. It is the Rabb's view as teaching in Quran. I relay it here on the forum. If you ever would wake up to the fact that what I say is actually true then you would speak otherwise. I am not forcing Quran to say anything other than what it really says. It is those everyday copy-pasted passages on the forum with sectarian ancient interpretations that are "force-fitting" Quran. There you have "force-fitting" Quran. Do you think I am speaking because it is my idea of the world? No it is wrong, it is because that is how the world looks like and its functionality.
The network parable with the Rabb as the system it an modern adaptation of a way to metaphorize the way the Rabb works as Quran really expresses itself. Each human that opens their "Door", i.e. manages to connect to the Rabb, has immense wisdom and knowledge flowing through the "Door". That last sentence is nearly exactly what the Quran says.
The world is a contradiction that was made to test a species that which was made in the copy of the being of the Rabb but put into the Homo Sapiens body. Every soul is identical but comes along differently depending on bias etc. It is like the Rabb being a Father and then spreads a lot of seeds to later harvest the better of the results. And those people are later malekat.
Those are not my words but of the Rabb. It can come forth in the Biblical Gospels, but most people here do not believe them to be authentic words but invented by the Greco-Roman clergy. It does not help that Quran was interpreted by Persian clerics who invented Islam as a sort of offshoot of Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Obviously those clerics in the Middle-East did not accept Jesus' words then and obviously they needed an entirely opposite doctrine that reinforces the typical god delusion. You see how much exaggerated emphasis there is on the deeds of the allah in Quran to the extent of the god being mad about self-gratification. This is not the true message that it speaks of beneath the sectarian clerical interpretation. It just takes to understand what you and others read is not even remotely close to what Quran really says.
The god is not righteous in Quran as traditionally implied. It wants to proclaim an ego more huge than a mountain yet ask every human to be humble beneath it. That is hypocrisy of the biggest sort. To ask something of someone else but you yourself can be in any mode you like. That is why a sharp-minded person can see that these are clerics who have been sitting down with their human view of the world to compile an interpretation of it. Obviously the Rabb does not need to sit around a whole scripture bragging of its deeds because that it not the point. Why brag about a delusion that was enabled to be a contradiction to deceive foolish and insincere humans that they are actually part of a test? I suppose if you enabled your mind you can see that it appears hypocritical by the Rabb then.
Be well
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Man of Faith tries hard though to interpret the Quran so as to free people from being forced to perform rituals whether they prefer them or not, from fixed ancient culture government laws as according to the current version of Quran translation, limited gender roles, a God who professes to have excellent traits yet actions show something else, etc into a softer and more spiritual version of the Quran. His method of translation has been interesting to me, mainly because of the meanings he has been deriving from them.
Exactly. My main effort is on making people understand that they are deceived by interpretations to believe it is compulsory to perform rituals. If they when they know the Rabb does not ask for anything like it in a scripture deemed authentic still desire to perform rituals it is up to them, but they know this is voluntary and their own venture.
Red Yet the ancient lexicons have the definitions that I use during the reinterpretation and translation project. They are not taken out of the blue which people accuse me of.
So yeah, there would still be clash of perspectives every now and then, but then at least Man of Faith tries to deliver what he finds suitable from his perspective, and hence help a number of people (such as me) to gain better understandings and peace as well.
I do not desire to have a huge ego. These views are brought entirely from Quran and insight that I have through the "Door". Quran does confirm all of them.
I may seem dogmatic but that is because I am one who speaks with authority due to confidence since I know things. Obviously I would not speak of something I was not sure about because I am actually quite a meek person and afraid of committing errors. It took me nearly three years to stop the ritual salat because I was afraid lest I was wrong so I continued it even if I was already relatively sure it was not a ritual "in case of", so one could rest assured I know what I am talking about. In 2014 it was that I finally made the move of cessation on the ritual of delusion. And nothing has impacted me negatively ever since and my understanding has continued to grow steadily. In fact what has rather caused it to grow is an increased abstention from the world with less indulgence.
Be well
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MoF,
Given this, what I find problematic is he is hell bent to prove that Qur'an preaches the "no symbolism" philosophy, and to prove his point he takes a free ride in redefining even the most basic arabic words. Even when that falls APART, he happily rejects the verses he cannot reconcile - as "manmade".
This approach I do find troublesome. This is the similar problem with 19-ers. Good intension does not make falsification justified.
This part of Arman's words have been disturbing though. Can you please explain it? Thanks.
Peace.
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MoF,
This part of Arman's words have been disturbing though. Can you please explain it? Thanks.
Peace.
He cannot accept that his Arabic language can be conjectured upon to the extent that barely anything is portrayed as the original language wished to proclaim. There are many hidden or unused definitions in ancient lexicons that better define what words in Quran likes to say. And traditional interpreters have not always identified the right root but chosen another root or decided to invent their own root which did not exist. The people who ever sat down to interpret the Quran in the past were likely not native with the language but it was like a foreign language and they had to decipher it and they did not do it well either. One can see that what shines through is a sectarian doctrine rather than what the Rabb likes to proclaim through the language.
I have said it before and I can reiterate it many times, that to successfully decipher anything foreign then one needs to remain unbiased and not be too trusting in what so-called scholars say and you have to evaluate it carefully and be awake when there appears definitions in lexicons that appear disturbingly different. For example, this salateh word which is a popular discussion topic on the forum, its main examples in ancient lexicons circulates about following something and there are examples with horse races etc where the second in lead follows the leading horse closely behind. Yet a majority of interpreters follow the sectarian interpretation and what is usually accepted as definite for Quran. This is why I think people do not leave their bias behind when they try to decipher Quran. And people blame me, like Arman, for doing away with simple words that everyone agrees on. But why if these all people are following each other like lemmings?
And the results of my deciphering of Quran reveals that the interpreters that came up with this translation we have today had no clue in how to interpret it properly and did numerous errors and so to say invented their own grammar rules to be able to resolve to interpretation acrobatics, much like people do today. One fault is to say that Arabic words have more than one meaning and particularly two entirely opposite meanings. One example is ma, it can mean a variety of meanings in the sectarian interpretation of Quran, but the word exclusively refers to 'no/not' in all occurrences that I have encountered so far and that is consistent. If the word would have a different meaning then it opens up for misinterpretation and if Quran is compiled through the Rabb as claimed then it needs to be perfectly clear and not ambiguous.
And 'la', this word they likely decided to interpret as 'not' because it occurs with their favorite idol allah and without it it would imply that people are supposed to be allah which their pagan minds cannot accept.
All roots follow that of Aramaic and it would not surprise me if this language as used in Quran was invented for the purpose and that is why you have a lot of ignorant people thinking they know what it says.
People do not even follow the grammar rules that they know. Allah for example cannot be a noun because it is grammatically incorrect. It would need to be written (Allateh) to be a noun using the AL article.
You have an example with Pharaoh, Quran writes it AL Pharaoh/Feroun with AL distinctly separate from the proper noun. If the Arabic would follow the grammar rules and LAH be a proper noun then it would be written or if the word was supposed to be a proper noun. And was the word to be a normal noun then you would need the letter on that instead of which marks a singular object.
Yet people are ignorant when it comes to the AL article because that word marks that a word is an adjective or adverb in the context, i.e. such as + attribute. And in Arabic you can make such as and attach a noun too, e.g. with . Arabic is a little more like a code and mathematics than a language sometimes playing with its affixes to convey the meaning.
Be well
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So you have not been doing away with verses or certain words in the verses?
Peace.
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Hello Samira,
Not so far no. However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage. It is more a distraction than useful because the ancient interpreters broke the passages at awkward locations which hint me that they did not really understand what they were doing overall.
Be well
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Io6XBRRUs
Make the lyrics meaningful, you can replace "dance" with "pray" or "worship" or "move the way I move" and then it says other things that could refer to paradise, and dressing well at every place and time of worship and other revelations haha. For your Safety.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zti9Vl5SKkc
You never know whose looking on.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fValudFZMs
"Land Of Confusion"
I must've dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But I can hear the marching feet
They're moving into the street.Now did you read the news today
They say the danger's gone away
But I can see the fire's still alight
There burning into the night.There's too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see
This is a land of confusion.This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in.Ooh Superman where are you now
When everything's gone wrong somehow
The men of steel, the men of power
Are losing control by the hour.This is the time
This is the place
So we look for the future
But there's not much love to go round
Tell me why, this is a land of confusion.This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in.I remember long ago -
Ooh when the sun was shining
Yes and the stars were bright
All through the night
And the sound of your laughter
As I held you tight
So long ago -I won't be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
We're not just making promises
That we know, we'll never keep.Too many men
There's too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see
This is a land of confusion.Now this is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for.This is the world we live in
And these are the names we're given
Stand up and let's start showing
Just where our lives are going to. -
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8TlrYhBxk
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZu6L7z-alA
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzmBRI8LoVs
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzlhbLIIrCU
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hFSQbVjpw
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=71cLmgZKilo
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Peace.
I enjoyed the song.I have had my "Suhur". I am ready for today s fast.
Now I am off to do my Fajr prayer.
Of course we are all the same.
Oh,except that some do not fast, or pray,or enjoy music,or get up early ,or...Indeed, we are all the same.
Except that some have different Bibles,or different Qorans or different gods or....Yes we are all the same.
Except that some will be right,or some will be left,or some will be right ,then left then right,then...Ok we are all the same.
Until we meet our Creator and we will be shown all our differences.GOD bless you all.
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Peace.
I enjoyed the song.I have had my "Suhur". I am ready for today s fast.
Now I am off to do my Fajr prayer.
Of course we are all the same.
Oh,except that some do not fast, or pray,or enjoy music,or get up early ,or...Indeed, we are all the same.
Except that some have different Bibles,or different Qorans or different gods or....Yes we are all the same.
Except that some will be right,or some will be left,or some will be right ,then left then right,then...Ok we are all the same.
Until we meet our Creator and we will be shown all our differences.GOD bless you all.
Peace.haha I thought the same! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I think we are all the same because we have the same master controlling us, but we are all different, because if we were all the same then we would literally be one person. The only thing we have in common EVER is the King. Not Elvis or Michael Jackson or Jesus! The One, the Only, ______ (can't agree on the name).
Always happy to hear about your despicable Muslim practices, they do please me greatly. My fast is over in a few hours, it is 627 PM here and it ends around 927.
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Hello Samira,
Not so far no. However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage. It is more a distraction than useful because the ancient interpreters broke the passages at awkward locations which hint me that they did not really understand what they were doing overall.
Be well
Salam Man of Faith.
Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?
Regards,
Arman -
Salam Man of Faith.
Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?
Regards,
ArmanWhat are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.
56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.
4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.
We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.
Be well
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What are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.
56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.
4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.
We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.
Be well
Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?
Arman
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Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?
Arman
I have found nothing that indicates that words have been removed from Quran at this time.