hey guys do you think Allah dwell in us?
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okay so i was watched this video (ahttps//m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf5I9ZF-bW4nd )around the 50th-54th minute part he said Allah dwell in us and I just want to ask you guys what you guys think of what he said. Because I am afraid of jumping to conclusion since I am afraid to commit shirk. Thanks.
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Yes, it is a correct statement. The word 'Allah' also linguistically means (the) 'Who Is ', being a third-person form similar to what was told to Moses in the Torah "I am who am I". The problem for us humans is to truly have the Spirit of God in us rather than no spirit at all (lifelessness) and part of the "automation" of the "Flesh", i.e. the instinct and its enticing force to do things like a slave.
And for your information, Satan is a word misinterpreted and it refers to the instinct, i.e. there is no one named Satan. Also, in Arabic Satan is always referred to as Al-Shaytaan and this form cannot be used as a proper noun (just as Al-lah cannot be a name due to the same argument). You will not see a true proper noun in Quran used with the AL prefix. See for yourself.
In Torah is said that man was created in His image and this is a correct statement although it is slightly mistranslated and it is supposed to be "created TO BE in His image" which means unless you become 'Who Is' (which is metaphorical for "to exist for real" basically) and that you do when you dwell in the Rabb and the Rabb in you, i.e. you have the Spirit of God in you and developed.
The summary is that God is a symbiotic phenomenon where one is 'Who Is' depending on the self-realization. This collective is historically referred to as 'Ellohim' which is a plural of the singular Allah. The double 'Lam' (ل is just a feature of the updated (A)Rabbical language and does not really mean anything differently other than being an emphasized form, i.e. THE 'Who Is' or Such Who Is. The phrase "la Elah ila Ellah" simply means "To be 'Who Is' is to be "Such (as) Who Is'".
The above is the true account, the other more official one is just from clerics and scholars who were not particularly insightful but boasted they were. Like Jesus said, the Kingdom is at hand and can be joined right away and one has no reason to wait until a non-existent (non-happening) resurrection. The only resurrection that happens is a failure which is rebirth in the Flesh and in Gehennom and a fate that is recurring. These same clerics and scholars misunderstood the word of fire too as it does not refer to some kind of burning in Hell but being destined/"fated" and the word Nur/Nar refers to energy/force and implies compulsion in the literature.
With this information it is quite easy to reconcile the Abrahamic lore with such as Buddhism and Hinduism too even though they also have been exposed to perverted teachings to some extent mainly involving superstitious elements.
The faith denominations have always taught abstention from the world and this is all they use to have in common on the surface excluding all perversions. What they fail to convey is WHY do you abstain from the world? Not to please a deity for some show of obedience, no. You abstain from the world because Rabb made in the world a contradiction which is all that you see including your own body and this body will entice you to things in a slavish manner unless you are wary. The concept of rejecting the world and choosing the ethereal beginning in this world is a working remedy and solution to escape the bondage. You are forcefully bonded with the Flesh and this entrapment does not have to be permanent but you were to grow up in this environment and in a contradiction as I told, an illusion.
The most important first thing one has to do in life is to find their selves and strengthen their own self-realization and defeat themselves and their accompanying body. This is then when they will find the Creator (abbu) as well and the One Who is your Foundation-Giver (Rabb), the One you shall be merged with in unity. And you are a share of Rabb, a part which has been called Ebn in the SEMITIC languages and means "Be With Integrity (of)". The question is whether you grow your share or if it remains undeveloped and you remain dependent and lifeless rather than independent which is the goal.
Wellness to you (El-selam alaikam)
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Yes, it is a correct statement. The word 'Allah' also linguistically means (the) 'Who Is ', being a third-person form similar to what was told to Moses in the Torah "I am who am I". The problem for us humans is to truly have the Spirit of God in us rather than no spirit at all (lifelessness) and part of the "automation" of the "Flesh", i.e. the instinct and its enticing force to do things like a slave.
And for your information, Satan is a word misinterpreted and it refers to the instinct, i.e. there is no one named Satan. Also, in Arabic Satan is always referred to as Al-Shaytaan and this form cannot be used as a proper noun (just as Al-lah cannot be a name due to the same argument). You will not see a true proper noun in Quran used with the AL prefix. See for yourself.
In Torah is said that man was created in His image and this is a correct statement although it is slightly mistranslated and it is supposed to be "created TO BE in His image" which means unless you become 'Who Is' (which is metaphorical for "to exist for real" basically) and that you do when you dwell in the Rabb and the Rabb in you, i.e. you have the Spirit of God in you and developed.
The summary is that God is a symbiotic phenomenon where one is 'Who Is' depending on the self-realization. This collective is historically referred to as 'Ellohim' which is a plural of the singular Allah. The double 'Lam' (ل is just a feature of the updated (A)Rabbical language and does not really mean anything differently other than being an emphasized form, i.e. THE 'Who Is' or Such Who Is. The phrase "la Elah ila Ellah" simply means "To be 'Who Is' is to be "Such (as) Who Is'".
The above is the true account, the other more official one is just from clerics and scholars who were not particularly insightful but boasted they were. Like Jesus said, the Kingdom is at hand and can be joined right away and one has no reason to wait until a non-existent (non-happening) resurrection. The only resurrection that happens is a failure which is rebirth in the Flesh and in Gehennom and a fate that is recurring. These same clerics and scholars misunderstood the word of fire too as it does not refer to some kind of burning in Hell but being destined/"fated" and the word Nur/Nar refers to energy/force and implies compulsion in the literature.
With this information it is quite easy to reconcile the Abrahamic lore with such as Buddhism and Hinduism too even though they also have been exposed to perverted teachings to some extent mainly involving superstitious elements.
The faith denominations have always taught abstention from the world and this is all they use to have in common on the surface excluding all perversions. What they fail to convey is WHY do you abstain from the world? Not to please a deity for some show of obedience, no. You abstain from the world because Rabb made in the world a contradiction which is all that you see including your own body and this body will entice you to things in a slavish manner unless you are wary. The concept of rejecting the world and choosing the ethereal beginning in this world is a working remedy and solution to escape the bondage. You are forcefully bonded with the Flesh and this entrapment does not have to be permanent but you were to grow up in this environment and in a contradiction as I told, an illusion.
The most important first thing one has to do in life is to find their selves and strengthen their own self-realization and defeat themselves and their accompanying body. This is then when they will find the Creator (abbu) as well and the One Who is your Foundation-Giver (Rabb), the One you shall be merged with in unity. And you are a share of Rabb, a part which has been called Ebn in the SEMITIC languages and means "Be With Integrity (of)". The question is whether you grow your share or if it remains undeveloped and you remain dependent and lifeless rather than independent which is the goal.
Wellness to you (El-selam alaikam)
I always find it interesting to read your comments, not that I agree (or disagree).
I've read you once said that humans cease to exist when they stay undeveloped (lose to their ego?).
What about animals? Do they cease to exist when they die?okay so i was watched this video (ahttps//m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf5I9ZF-bW4nd )around the 50th-54th minute part he said Allah dwell in us and I just want to ask you guys what you guys think of what he said. Because I am afraid of jumping to conclusion since I am afraid to commit shirk. Thanks.
I can not give you an answer to your question, for I also don't know. However I just want to say that rushing into taking positions is, as you already know, the wrong thing to do. However as little as I have the needed proof to believe God dwelling in us, I also do not have the proof that it is completely (or partially) wrong. So I do not position myself. Just try to be the best I can, and hope it suffices.
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okay so i was watched this video (ahttps//m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf5I9ZF-bW4nd )around the 50th-54th minute part he said Allah dwell in us and I just want to ask you guys what you guys think of what he said. Because I am afraid of jumping to conclusion since I am afraid to commit shirk. Thanks.
Hi,
Allah is Allah and you is you.
When in the quran it is said He "blew" in you from His roeh, then it means He "blew" in you from His roeh, thus not from Himself.
His roeh is as much Allah as is His rasoel or His naar or His bayt etc etc etcSalaam,
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What about animals? Do they cease to exist when they die?
Hello Study,
Animals do not have any individuality and thus do not have any independent mind, i.e. they are not self-conscious that they are alive and behave like programmed machines, quite much like humans who are undeveloped and thus have no character (lifeless = al-mowt), humans who will act in predictable and obvious ways according to their instinct and which instinct that is all animals got. The human science of psychology is not wrong and you could learn a lot from there.
Humans do have an immense problem and that is the conflict between spirit and body since their superior "seed" has been attached to a lowly animalistic primate and this body causes to entice the superior being potential to take a path into conforming to its desires (the "shayatiin", its primitive will as an animalistic being. Teachers of how to circumvent its shackles have been around for millennia such as Jesus who taught to "separate your spirit from the flesh". The implicit message has been there for generations and people have been warned of Satan without knowing what Satan is and hearkening unto clerics and scholars who made the Satan into a person but in fact the Satan is in you or rather in the conflicting and contradicting body of yours. It is those "whispers" of your mind influenced by the body which is Satan.
I've read you once said that humans cease to exist when they stay undeveloped (lose to their ego?).
They cease to exist in their consciousness, they become absorbed by the world in which they dwell and is its "prisoners", and in a manner as if they voluntarily stayed in there despite that a narrow door is there with the key inside the lock but they were enjoying the prison so much they never paid attention to the narrow passage, and the door becomes smaller and smaller for every interim that they spend therein.
Another parable is that they dwell within a prison without knowing it and in the prison is a very small door barely perceptible but the person therein grows to the size of several doors and cannot get through "until a camel can pass through the 'Eye of the Needle'" (ancient parable remake) once they perhaps realize about their situation but think they can hold unto their love for the world. They then have to make a firm decision and start fasting, and perhaps they will be fit enough for the door before their illusive death and recycle. The perception of resurrection into a Garden elsewhere is a fabricated and erroneous one but that Garden is here.
One has the right to be a person but then they have to be a person at all. And the religious perception of enslavement to a deity is utterly wrong but these persons who are persons at all are like children of their Creator (and Developer/Foundation-Giver = Rabb) and far from slaves without free will. The whole point is to grow into a person in order to truly have free will.
I always find it interesting to read your comments, not that I agree (or disagree).
You may agree or disagree, but always aim for the most logical and rational explanation offered. Mine is a continuation and an elaboration on what Jesus (Eysua) taught based on my learned ability to decipher Arabic and communicate with Rabb, developed through my gradual detachment from the world. I have located the Door and out from it comes inspiration (insight) unto which I listen.
Wellness to you
Amenuel -
Animals do not have any individuality and thus do not have any independent mind, i.e. they are not self-conscious that they are alive and behave like programmed machines, quite much like humans who are undeveloped and thus have no character (lifeless = al-mowt), humans who will act in predictable and obvious ways according to their instinct and which instinct that is all animals got. The human science of psychology is not wrong and you could learn a lot from there.
yes its true ,, I agree..
and yeh mof ur posts are interesting to read but sometimes its very hard to accept on some matters.. just issue of personal beleifs nothing personal..
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Yes Imran. It is that preconception on what "God" is which puts the limitations. In traditional Islam it is heresy to associate yourself with God even though in truth this is what one is intended to do. To be like 'Who Is' in unity. But everything is God while individual ones do not encompass the full greatness (expanse) of God but are mere shares. And God is Rabb and a personal address and thus a one to communicate with. It appears you can communicate with Rabb even if it is communicating with yourself simultaneously through that mysterious symbiotic relationship. When you first realize it, it will feel strange that Rabb is expressed through yourself.
No matter how we twist and turn it, Rabb will be your 'Foundation-Giver' (the Arabic word means this). The question is how much of a person inside the realm you will be and if you are a person at all. One must gain an independent consciousness 'That Is'. Otherwise we are just lifeless without knowing ourselves.
"To be or not to be, is the question". I rather am. I AM is what I like to be.
This is something of lost knowledge, misunderstood utterly by those who call themselves Christians into vain worship of a share of Rabb, i.e. Jesus, while they can be one themselves by growing their mind.
And I do affirm that Rabb is greater than I (encompasses more than I) and I do not equal myself with Rabb in His/Her/Its entirety. Many people misunderstand my stance. Their idolatry of a worldly portrayal of Rabb causes them to think Rabb is separate from one's self, but this is simply not true and you are rather supposed to be in the Rabb's image. Rabb has no separate image, neither abstract nor physical and was explained by the second directive that came to Moses.
Rabb is a living platform and is everything at the same time and absolutely nothing is separate from Him/Her/It but only clouded from seeing the connection. Rabb controls your fate, but not without your ability to affect the destiny depending on your accumulated ascension within Rabb (your share/percentage representation of Rabb). Free will exists, but one must remember there are multiple wills involved and the earliest strongest will prevail over a later one. Thus Jesus could only utter "my will is not of my own but of the one who sent me" in relationship to the prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah and that he had to fulfill them.
And prophesying is serious business if one is influential and can affect the timeline.
As far as I am concerned, there were managers (angels) prior to this "experiment" who stand behind the current reality and are responsible for what happens right now. It is a collective that we can join at any time by showing personal growth of our consciousness.
And it is silly to say an angel is without free will considered the word malakah literally says "one in control". Same root is used to say king (decision-maker).
We were attached to bodies and this acts as a contradiction to us and we were supposed to master ourselves in this "development ground". To make the seed grow, basically. A seed planted by Rabb. First one has to realize it is all an imposed illusion and after that they need a working remedy. Attachment to this world will obviously not help.
This ideology sounds gnostic in nature but this is how things truly are. Fasting is not only from food but from the world at whole. Just abstain from whatever the beast desires in vanity.
Be well
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Hello Study,
Animals do not have any individuality and thus do not have any independent mind, i.e. they are not self-conscious that they are alive and behave like programmed machines, quite much like humans who are undeveloped and thus have no character (lifeless = al-mowt),
Hi,
RED How do you know this?
BLUE Try to kill one and you will see if they are self-conscious that they are alive.
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?Animals machines? ?No individuality?
?Is it referred to ants because ithas been found impossible to exchange personal confidences with any of them?
I have heard before that nonsense about a single soul for a whole species. I do not kow where it comes from, but if it is alleged that it comes from Qur'an I would like to know from which ayas.
And also a definition of soul and to what it corresponds in Arabic in the Qur'an.
Salaam
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Plainly said, animals are completely "automated" and will behave following a predictable pattern, and so will soulless (no character) humans do too. You can find Homo Sapiens-like patterns in animals (Homo Sapiens is also an animal crossed with a superior spirit "seed" and behavior that seems as if they had a soul, but they do not have a soul except a combined existence in Rabb, i.e. no individual existence compared to a human spirit (soul) that can exist independently within the Rabb "platform", much like a unique character. That is not said your animal (pet) cannot be a part of you but as it is an innate share of Rabb this means you can bond with it, but yet it cannot exist independently with such mind, it is always dependent. For example, an animal cannot involve itself in abstract thinking and if a "son of Adam" would not know its condition they would call it rather stupid since it will always follow its instincts inflexibly.
At least for humans they have a superior spirit which enables them to choose to cut off from their body's instinctive drive if they put their minds to it and can thus be Rabb-like. The imposed body is a real contradiction for them. Since the Ten Directives of Moses there has been a remedy to avoid being affected by the entanglement of the instinctive drive (Satan). The more we distance ourselves from our mindless nature as beasts the stronger the spirit becomes, but if we give in to those calls of the beast then that is what we become.
In that way "Allah ('s Spirit) dwell in us", for Rabb made us in His own complete image but placed us in contradicting bodies in order to test us. Rabb then told us Adams to not eat of the fruit and the one who does will have to dwell in the world for a long time or even forever if they succumb utterly. But Satan (the instinct) entices us to eat from the fruit constantly and it is a matter of abstaining from that call. When we still eat from the fruit despite the urge not to then we will have problems to desist and eventually doomed to continue to eat from it, when the power of Satan is too strong to desist. You can compare that to drug abuse which needs a strong willpower to get out of and some real determination. It is also about not giving oneself excuses for things. You cannot say your wife led you to eat from the fruit and the whole world with its population will as peers pull you down. The World was intentionally made to be innately corrupting.
We can do a lot of things in this World, but we should not do what Satan entices us to do. It is wise to be logical and reason by logic. Satan you will have with you for as long as you have a body. Satan has come along with you into the Garden. And in the Garden you have to dwell for some time, longer if you fail and forever if you fail completely.
This is also the officially true story of the parable about the tree in the Garden of Eden.
Be well
Amenuel -
Because it can learn consequences of deeds and a method to hide it (taking it behind cover). Animals will often take prey to a safe location of consumption in the wild, that is an instinct. It will not feel morally wrong since it cannot see right from wrong as it does not have abstract emotions. It has no complex thoughts.
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its more likely what mof want to explain is animals and humans the only difference is character
both got life =hence both got soul/spirit/rooh/immaterial.
but there is a difference between animals and human that distinguish us from animals.a character which is responsible for our actions. we are in command of our character to make him decide something.
in the case of animals they dnt have this authority hence their action are not responsible simply when they hungry they search for food.how they get it its not accountable ,, sometimes they get killed sometimes they kill somebody...they do have sense which tell them how to eat, how to walk , how to run, how to make fun(incase of monkeys)
but their sense is not to b ponder my cat always eat in kitchen,,, yeh when she see me she run awaythey have emotions as well as we know even animals take care of their kids until they become independent,,
but the difference is only about authority of using will that's it...
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@ whats about plants
they are living things along with other living things..
if we study carefully we get results plants do have soul if not why they cry when you cut it down,yeh you cannot hear their cry because the voice is under the frequency of human ears you need instruments to listen their voices..
I want some expert ideas on this issue as well..
and whats about the ants who were talking during Solomon period, recent discoveries are telling ants behave in a manner properly human sort of working and communication..
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Because it can learn consequences of deeds and a method to hide it (taking it behind cover).
And therefore, my cat knows that stealing is wrong.
Animals will often take prey to a safe location of consumption in the wild, that is an instinct. It will not feel morally wrong since it cannot see right from wrong as it does not have abstract emotions. It has no complex thoughts.
Are you saying animals can only feel ?
Never think ?Perhaps the difference lies in how we combine both ?
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Hello Study,
I already answered the question. But you may wait for other replies to the same question.
Be well
Amenuel -
in person God cannot dwell in us,,
his powers , controlling, awareness regarding what is inside us and whats outside,, is in us.. he is watching us but no image can grasp the image of God..
very simple,,, a cd player manufacturer doesn't need to become cd for controlling the device
god don't need to become human.. for making us work,, but God powers are everywhere...some where in quran Allah told us " I m near than ur juglar vain" he didn't say I m inside the vain or body.. infact he is watching u from the source.
when he say everywhere its mean,, God aware whats everwhere and powers of controlling everything everywhere in his command ..