New proofs (?) prove that PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE is REAL
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Peace lost INtheWORLD.
As I have already posted before,I believe Qoran does not support punishment in the grave idea!!!
Have a look at the followingWe learn that death is exactly like sleeping; complete with dreams (660, 4046). The period between death and resurrection passes like one night of sleep (2259; 660; 1045; 1621; 1811, 1819, 1825; 3055).
At the moment of death, everyone knows his or her destiny; Heaven or Hell.
For the disbelievers, death is a horrible event; the angels beat them on the faces and rear ends as they snatch away their souls (850, 4727, 791).Consistently, the Qoran talks about two deaths, the first death took place when we failed to make a stand with God's absolute authority (Appendix 7). That first death lasted until we were born into this world. The second death terminates our life in this world (228, 2266, 4011).
THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT DIE; when their lives on this earth come to the predetermined end, the angel of death simply invites them to leave their earthly bodies and move on to Heaven.
Heaven has been in existence since Adam and Eve. Hell does not exist yetWe learn from 8927-30 that God invites the believers' souls "Enter My Paradise."
Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive.
O you who believe, you shall respond to God and to the messenger when he invites you to what gives you life.* You should know that God is closer to you than your heart, and that before Him you will be summoned.
Those who emigrate for the sake of God, then get killed, or die, God will surely shower them with good provisions. God is certainly the best Provider.
They do not taste death therein - beyond the first death - and He has spared them the retribution of Hell.
(At the time of his death) he was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "Oh, I wish my people knew.
As for the disbelievers, they know at the moment of death that they are destined for Hell. The angels beat them up on the faces and rear ends (850 & 4727), order them to evict their souls (693), then "snatch their souls" (791).
The Qoran teaches that the disbelievers go through 2 deaths (228 & 4011). They will be put to death - a state of nothingness during which they see Hell day and night in a continuous nightmare that lasts until the Day of Judgment (4046). Hell is not yet in existence (4046, 8923).
As far as people are concerned, the righteous "die." People do not realize that the righteous simply leave their bodies, and move on to
Paradise. The verses shown above are self explanatory. They tell us that the righteous die only once - the one death we have already experienced as a consequence of the great feud (3869).Of course Qoran advises everyone to check all information.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Your response is totally demolished quoting only ONE verse
"Then , We would have made you taste double life and double death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper" http//quran.com/17/75
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its not according to me , who i am nothing more than a slave to my master ,
but if you feel ,afraid all the time about punishment and you already know you will be punished if not follow the master , then its you who make your life hell , its your character/thinking is responsible
make urself in heaven accept whatever Allah say then you will be relaxed atleast , in this life and herefafer is definate.
you are asking a question or situation a thief attempts to robbery , and thinking he will not get caught , if he is lucky he wont get catch by police or law but , there is one ultimate law , that will punish him , in this life he always afraid , anytime police can catch him , he is tensed, depressed afraid ,
but if he listen the law at first place he should not go for robbery,
Forget all this Neo-Mu'tazili Philosophy.
"Then , We would have made you taste double life and double death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper" http//quran.com/17/75
The double punishment after death is
1/ punishment in the barzakh
2/ punishment in the Judgment Day -
I cannot see in this aya 17.75 anything that speaks of barzakh or of a third term beides life and death. Inn this life he would suffer double and after death he would suffer double. There is no third element beside those two. And it is not unsusual in the qur'an to assert that eveil people will suffer unishmet or curse in this life and in the other.
Salaam
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I cannot see in this aya 17.75 anything that speaks of barzakh or of a third term beides life and death. Inn this life he would suffer double and after death he would suffer double. There is no third element beside those two. And it is not unsusual in the qur'an to assert that eveil people will suffer unishmet or curse in this life and in the other.
Salaam
"Then , We would have made you taste double life and double death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper" http//quran.com/17/75
Double punishment AFTER the death.
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Of ocurse after death instead of sufferinng let us say 5 inn the pain sacale he suuffers 10 but it is still one punishment. By that logic the he would have to have two lives before death inn order to also suffer double punishment in this life. And you are mmissing whompletely the point, a poit which is made several times in the Qur'an which i the responsibility before God. A prophet, if he does right gets double (multiplied) reward and if he does wrong gets double punishment. It i very, very simple and not problematic at all. Same a the women of the prophet if they were guilty of fahisha got double punishment and nd double in the hereafter and so on.
Salaam
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Of ocurse after death instead of sufferinng let us say 5 inn the pain sacale he suuffers 10 but it is still one punishment. By that logic the he would have to have two lives before death inn order to also suffer double punishment in this life. And you are mmissing whompletely the point, a poit which is made several times in the Qur'an which i the responsibility before God. A prophet, if he does right gets double (multiplied) reward and if he does wrong gets double punishment. It i very, very simple and not problematic at all. Same a the women of the prophet if they were guilty of fahisha got double punishment and nd double in the hereafter and so on.
Salaam
This is only speculation.
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I have good laughs with you. it is the pan calling th ekettle black.
Salaam
Claro ejem, ahora usted me viene con lo de "la sart?n le dijo al cazo".
You have not intelligent answers to counter-argument.
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http//www.authentictauheed.com/2013/07/485-punishment-of-grave.html
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I have good laughs with you. it is the pan calling th ekettle black.
Salaam
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Then how when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs? (47, 27)
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"And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved... They are striking their faces and their backs and , "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire" (8, 50)
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The Fire; they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon, and on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels) "Cause Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people to enter the severest torment!" (40, 46)
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We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great (horrible) torment. (9, 101)
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What will be punished?
Will our life blood be punished it's what keeps is alive everything rots without it.
What part I'm a person remains what contains the consciousness?Your soul
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Your soul
exactly now you are getting it, slowly slowly , soul/spirit/character is responsible for every action hence its soul/charatcer need to face the consequences of actions.
by fire its an example to make your soul understand how much is the pain of getting burn in this wordly life with our bodies as a garment, body should not get suffer its character who is responsible,
just start thinking from this life if u have no need of food sex garments, cold hot , just a being /soul /thinking/character , and somebody put you in jail for number of days , i think no body gona like as our egoo never let it happen, same will happen hereafter . the azab is something which make you feel tense disturb, irritation, azab ul shadded mean highly depressing life of character, on the other hand ,the soul of paradisers have same authorities of freedom, with adavance tecnologies even they can travel to glaxies for checking the old world ,, ho amazing,
now decide like this life want to live as a criminal or a sober person, criminal life will be tensed , punished in some cases but a sober person life is relaxed like job kids meal hangout with partner, think about it,,
literally quran talk as a poetry manner, giving examples are to make them understand,,
do u know what havia is,,, what do you know what havia is,,,, a sparking blazing fire,(thats the extreme torture/pain we can think in this wordly life), what about the life herafter
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exactly now you are getting it, slowly slowly , soul/spirit/character is responsible for every action hence its soul/charatcer need to face the consequences of actions.
by fire its an example to make your soul understand how much is the pain of getting burn in this wordly life with our bodies as a garment, body should not get suffer its character who is responsible,
just start thinking from this life if u have no need of food sex garments, cold hot , just a being /soul /thinking/character , and somebody put you in jail for number of days , i think no body gona like as our egoo never let it happen, same will happen hereafter . the azab is something which make you feel tense disturb, irritation, azab ul shadded mean highly depressing life of character, on the other hand ,the soul of paradisers have same authorities of freedom, with adavance tecnologies even they can travel to glaxies for checking the old world ,, ho amazing,
now decide like this life want to live as a criminal or a sober person, criminal life will be tensed , punished in some cases but a sober person life is relaxed like job kids meal hangout with partner, think about it,,
literally quran talk as a poetry manner, giving examples are to make them understand,,
do u know what havia is,,, what do you know what havia is,,,, a sparking blazing fire,(thats the extreme torture/pain we can think in this wordly life), what about the life herafter
At least you recognize the existence of a punishment or a bliss in the barzakh
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At least you recognize the existence of a punishment or a bliss in the barzakh
lol
my brother i already told you about all this, death is compared to us as sleep , if someone is sleeping in bedroom and if someone is sleeping in jail cell are two different things,
in sense of grave punishment dnt go for literal meaning , see the way of quran how they represent it, quran talks about dimenshn, beleiving in death in other words is to beleive in another dimenshn,
its not possible for any human being to pass that dimenshn or create one by his own,
its our lord who create life and death to test us,
step by step like algorithm everything will take place,
Allah is the one who initiate the creation and he will definately repeat it,
but why think about punishment of any type at first place,, i cant even imagine to be punished, so i will try my best to avoid the anger of God in any possible way.
so
we should not ask a address of town where we dnt need to go,
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we should not ask a address of town where we dnt need to go,
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Then how when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs? (47, 27)
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"And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved... They are striking their faces and their backs and , "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire" (8, 50)
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The Fire; they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon, and on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels) "Cause Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people to enter the severest torment!" (40, 46)
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We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great (horrible) torment. (9, 101)
These 4 verses explicity talk about the Angels demolish the dead in the Barzakh. I want to know why others Submitters try to avoid this or deny this.
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for all these answers wait for death to approach us, the best in the light of quran you take it , rest of it do your research again , no rush, make urself satisfied logically and if you try to understand the laws of unseen , trust me nobody can help you apart from Allah,
some of the questions only Allah knows, ask from him honestly , i m sure he will lead you a way. sometimes i stuck in matters that seems uncontrolable , but surprisingly Allah saves me from harms,
believing in one supreme being, supreme master, supreme lord is required for us, we are weak, limited knowledge creation, do you really think human is so intelligent and he discover things by his own mind, think about it, its God who put ideas that leads you towards success,
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Only worldly humans are weak.
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Only worldly humans are weak.
lol i only knnow wordly humans,
i never encounter any heavenly human yet