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ALL GODS ONE GOD

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    Matheism
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    The Perfect Man as the manifestation of the Divine

    Adam is the astrolabe of the attributes of Divine Sublimity,
    the nature of Adam is the theatre for His revelations.

    Since in eternity it was the will and decree of God, the Forgiver,
    to reveal and manifest Himself.

    This involves opposition, for nothing can be shown without an opposite,
    and there was no opposite to that incomparable King.

    Therefore He made a viceroy, one having a heart,
    in order that he might be a mirror for His sovereignty.

    So he endowed him with infinite purity (spiritual light),
    and then set up an opposite against him in the form of darkness.

    Know that the world of created beings is like pure and limpid water
    in which the attributes of the Almighty are shining.

    Their knowledge, their justice and their clemency are like a star of heaven
    reflected in running water.

    Kings are the theatre for the manifestation of God?s kingship,
    the Wise are the mirrors for God?s wisdom.

    The beautiful are the mirror of His beauty,
    love for them is the reflection of the desire of which He is the real object.

    This cheek and mole go back to their Source,
    how should a phantom stay in the water forever?

    The whole sum of pictured forms (phenomena)
    is mere reflection in the water of the river.

    When you rub your eye,
    you will perceive that all of them are really He.

    This resembles the other reflections, but in reality it is not a reflection,
    it is the appearance of God in the likeness of a reflection.

    How should the qibla (object of worship), namely, the Divine Unity, be two?
    How should earth be worshipped by the angels?

    The Khwja is the God-man of whom God said You did not throw when you threw

    To see him is to see the Creator.
    To serve him is to serve God.
    To see this window is to see the Daylight.

    Listen, let your inner eye and your heart pass beyond (transcend) the bodily clay!
    This is One Qibla (object of worship)

    Do not see two qiblas.
    Do not say ?two.?
    Do not know ?two.?
    And do not call ?two.?

    Consider the slave to be effaced in his master.

    ~Rumi

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      Matheism
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      Any deity beyond the individual is IMPOSSIBLE.

      This is not philosophy, this is PHYSICS.

      http//carigold.com/portal/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=183913&stc=1&d=1463916449

      Mankind has done a lot of nonsense in the name of pleasing earthly or heavenly gods.

      1 + 0 = 1

      Matters are empty space, and we are the manifestation of God.

      Reach enlightenment (tawba an-nasooha) and free ourselves from mental slavery.

      Be your own hero.

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        ?The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.? ~ Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited

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          Matheism
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          Put your trust in God (truth and spiritual logic), for God (truth and spiritual logic) is worthy of trust.

          Illustation 1

          God did not place two hearts inside any man's body.

          Illustation 2

          Nor has He made your wives whom you equate with your mothers your real mothers

          Illustation 3

          nor has He made your adopted sons your actual sons.

          Fallacy

          These (other ways of life) are words coming out of your mouths.

          Truth

          But God speaks the Truth, and He guides to the right path .

          (Quran 33.3-4)

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            Matheism
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            First Stage Objective

            I am going to place in the earth a khalif. (2.30)

            Second Stage Mission Accomplished - The Khalif, Abraham

            Who could be better in faith than those who submit themselves to God,
            and do good,
            and follow the faith of Abraham,
            who turned away from all that is false?
            God took Abraham as a friend (Khalif).
            (4.125)

            Third Stage Fulfilment

            When God tested Abraham with certain words and he fulfilled them,
            God said, "I will make you a leader of men."
            He said, "And my seed?"
            God said, "My covenant does not extend to the unjust (We hear, we disobey)."
            (2.124)

            Abraham left behind this word to endure among his posterity so that they may return to it.
            (43.2

            Fourth Stage Descendant - "so that they may return to it," ie. the Quran.

            Today, I perfected your way of life for you
            and I fulfilled My divine blessing on you
            and I was well-pleased with submission to the One God for your way of life.
            (5.3)

            Fifth Stage The Signs of Qiyamah

            What are the unbelievers waiting for,
            other than the Hour to come upon them suddenly?
            Its Signs have already come.
            (47.5

            Sixth Stage The Journey - Qiyamah

            God does not harm mankind in any way,
            but men do harm themselves.
            (10.44)

            Evil schemes overwhelm only those who plot them.
            Do they expect anything different, given what happened to earlier people?
            You will never find any change in the way of God,
            and you will never find any deviation in the His way.
            (35.43)

            The Enemy Nimrod and the "family of Imran."

            Instead, they followed what the evil ones used to practice during Solomon's reign. Not that Solomon himself was one who denied the truth; it was the evil ones who denied the truth. They taught people witchcraft and what was revealed in Babylon to the two angels Harut and Marut, although these two never taught it to anyone without first declaring, "We are nothing more than a temptation to evil Do not deny truth." From these two, they learned what can separate a man from his wife, although they harm no one with it except with God's permission. They learned what harmed them, not what benefited them, knowing full well that whoever acquired would have no share in the Hereafter. Surely, evil is the for which they sold their souls, if only they realized that. (2.102)

            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xta31joiIhU

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            Follow the money...

            Seventh Stage - Final Episode

            There is no city We will not destroy before the Day of Rising,
            or punish with a terrible punishment.
            That is inscribed in the Book.
            (17.5

            Indeed Allah exalted Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above all the worlds. (3.33)

            1. Adam - creation of mankind

            2. Noah - to spread mankind

            3. Family of Abraham - Truth and spiritual logic

            4. Family of Imran - Fallacy and mental slavery

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              Matheism
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              Pharaoh fooled his people, and they obeyed him. They were wicked people (as equal to Pharaoh). (43.54)

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              Soundness vs. Fallacy..

              On that Day, We shall ask Hell,

              Are you now full?

              Hell will answer,

              Are there any more?

              (50.30)

              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_MKG6xSUk

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                Matheism
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                Spiritual Journey

                After forty and does not reaching tawba an-nasooha...

                Because of their failure to fulfill their pledge to Him,
                and because of the lies they told,
                He caused hypocrisy to overtake their hearts until the Day they will meet Him.
                (9.77)

                game over...

                Final chance

                Those who will believe in him
                and honor him
                and support him
                and follow the enlightenment that has been sent down with him
                who will succeed.
                (7.157)

                Conditions

                Those who will follow

                1. the Messenger (truth and spiritual logic, Quran),

                2. the gentile (spiritual) Prophet they find described in the Torah and in the Gospel,
                  (truth has no religion, mankind is one nation, good is one)

                3. the Prophet who will command them to do what is obviously right, and
                  (freedom, enlightenment, and real self, "be you!&quot

                4. forbid what is obviously wrong, and
                  (no physical and mental slavery, no religion and sectarianism)

                5. allow them the good things in life, and
                  (salah and equitable ways of life)

                6. forbid them the bad things.
                  (corruption and inequitable ways of life)

                7. He will release them from their burdens and shackles that bound them before
                  .

                (7.157)

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  Matheism,

                  While your way of describing the GOD phenomenon is correct, you cannot implement it on the Quran you are trying to implement it on, because the Quran you try to do it on is very off in its interpretation (unless you reinterpret it). What you propose will simply not be compatible with this sectarian interpretation.

                  Humans were indeed made to be in the One Being, from being an unconscious (without character) seed towards gaining independence in GOD, becoming "kings" or angels as they use to be called (malakat in Arabic). Successful humans are then a substantial part of God, having influence. It is a position of power albeit shared, a sort of symbiosis.

                  Suppose it is you who entered iamthatiam.boards.net and posted in the guest section and claimed what I am telling is not new which is basically true albeit some of it is actually news. It is definitely not new about successful humans becoming angels because even Jesus in the Biblical Gospels tells that people will become angels if they succeed. However I have complemented the information quite much.

                  Be well
                  Amenuel

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                    Matheism
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                    There is no god higher than truth.

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                      Matheism
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                      We do not seek God in ritual ceremony, we become a manifestation of God.

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                        ;D You remind me of ex member muslims (Muslim Atheism)

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                          ;D You remind me of ex member muslims (Muslim Atheism)

                          You're right. Maybe they're the same person, or related.

                          Matheism -

                          I like your posts and the messages you are conveying. ) However, isn't 385 (the first verse you quoted in your first post) a question that the disbelievers asked of the believers?

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                            There is no god higher than TRUTH.

                            Apart from the TRUTH, what is there except ERROR? (10.32)

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                            garbage in, garbage out...

                            and the test for truth will always be "LOGIC"....

                            Spiritiual (real self) Logic (all true premises) ...

                            Free ourselves from mental slavery...

                            If it (the Bible, Torah, Gospel, Quran etc) had been from anyone but god,
                            they would have found many inconsistencies in it.
                            (4.82)

                            Other than that are "lies"..

                            They are only following their GUESS, and they only tell LIES. (10.33)

                            because...

                            GUESS is no substitute for the TRUTH. (53.2

                            God = Truth

                            Satan = Lies

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                              Matheism
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                              Does the Quran mandate Rahbaniyah (rituals) ?

                              We had sent Noah and Abraham,

                              and We placed in their progeny the prophethood and the Book.

                              Some of them were guided, while many were wicked.

                              Then We sent in their tracks Our messengers.

                              And We sent Jesus, son of Mary, and We gave him the Gospel,

                              and We ordained in the hearts of his followers kindness and mercy (practical ways of life).

                              But they invented Rahbaniyah (rituals) which We never decreed for them (ie. not even to Noah, Abraham, Jesus etc).

                              They wanted to please God,

                              but they did not observe it the way it should have been observed.

                              Consequently, We gave those who believed among them their recompense,

                              while many of them were wicked.

                              (5726-27)

                              Inconsistencies ...

                              Lies?

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                                Matheism
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                                Do not follow blindly what you do not know to be true ears, eyes, and heart, you will be questioned about all these. (17.36)

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                                  Whoever follows other than surrender as a system, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. (3.85)

                                  To Him is the call of truth.

                                  And those who are called on besides Him, they will not respond to them in anything;

                                  like one who places his hands openly in the water to drink,

                                  but it never reaches his mouth.

                                  The call of the rejecters is nothing but in misguidance.

                                  (13.14)

                                  Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them which was clear (soundness), and the guidance, after God Had made it clear in the Scripture; these will be cursed by God and be cursed by those who curse. Except those who repent and amend and make clear; for those I will accept their repentance, for I am the One who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. (2.159-160)

                                  God = Truth (soundness = validity + truth)

                                  Satan = Lies (unsound argument)

                                  Apart from the TRUTH, what is there except ERROR? (10.32)

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                                    Man_of_Faith
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                                    Matheism,

                                    You cannot force the sectarian interpretation of Quran to conform with your ideas. It explicitly condemns association. You have to think it over and perhaps you may discover that the passages you quote are not supposed to say what you think, i.e. you have to reinterpret the whole scripture. This is something which I have discovered in recent years. The traditional way of knowing Arabic is more or less like garbage, fabricated by deluded clerics.

                                    Be well
                                    Amenuel

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                                      Matheism
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                                      I'm not a Muslim (arabic language, as "god&quot, and not an atheist...

                                      I'm a Matheist..

                                      Different and separate entity.

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                                      ie. God is Truth, Soundness... and absolute Surrender.

                                      It is those who have FAITH, and do not mix with ,

                                      they will be secure, and it is they who are rightly guided.

                                      This is the REASONING We gave to Abraham .

                                      (6.82-83)

                                      "Reasoning" is GOD... real self, "be your own hero"

                                      Therefore there will be no conflict...

                                      "To you is your system, and to me is mine."

                                      (109.6)

                                      Not a Muslim...

                                      Say, "Bring forward your (hadithers or expert) witnesses who can testify that God has forbidden (or allowing) all this,"

                                      and if they testify,

                                      Do not testify with them ("be your own hero", take responsibility for your life, "no mental slavery&quot.

                                      Do not follow the sinful views of those who have rejected Our messages,

                                      Nor of those who do not believe in the Hereafter while they equate others with their Lord (shirk).

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                                      (6.150)

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                                        Matheism
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                                        Not Christian or Jew or
                                        Muslim, not Hindu,
                                        Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen.
                                        Not any religion

                                        or cultural system. I am
                                        not from the east
                                        or the west, not
                                        out of the ocean or up

                                        from the ground, not
                                        natural or ethereal, not
                                        composed of elements at all.
                                        I do not exist,

                                        am not an entity in this
                                        world or the next,
                                        did not descend from
                                        Adam and Eve or any

                                        origin story. My place is
                                        the placeless, a trace
                                        of the traceless.
                                        Neither body or soul.

                                        I belong to the beloved,
                                        have seen the two
                                        worlds as one and
                                        that one
                                        call to and know,

                                        first, last, outer, inner,
                                        only that breath breathing

                                        human being.

                                        Jelaluddin Rumi

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                                          Matheism
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                                          No God . No Religion . No Nonsense . Spiritual Logic... and No "Muhammad",

                                          only the Quran and Spiritual Logic.. Truth.

                                          There is no god higher than TRUTH.

                                          ALL GODS ONE GOD...

                                          Why do you stay in prison when the door is so wide open?

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