Was the Quran we have now written and authorised by Mohammed the Prophet ?
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is the exhibition still on right?
how did you find the manuscript, worth paying a visit?its untill 5th of august 2016 hardly ten days left , we need to pay a visit to birmingham library...
they are not telling the story from where did they get it , i think as soon exibition finish they will introduce more pages , and earn money everytime thats what the idea i have in my mind God knows best.. its still a mystery how they found these pages...
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its untill 5th of august 2016 hardly ten days left , we need to pay a visit to birmingham library...
they are not telling the story from where did they get it , i think as soon exibition finish they will introduce more pages , and earn money everytime thats what the idea i have in my mind God knows best.. its still a mystery how they found these pages...
That's interesting, the official story is that a researches bumped into a set of old manuscripts piled up somewhere and decided to radio carbon date them (something along those lines); how many pages are there at the moment? have they said that there are more pages to be introduced ?
do you know where the manuscript is going ? I called them and they said that it will be at the museum until the 3rd of August but forgot to ask where it goes after and whether it's possible to see it.
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That's interesting, the official story is that a researches bumped into a set of old manuscripts piled up somewhere and decided to radio carbon date them (something along those lines); how many pages are there at the moment? have they said that there are more pages to be introduced ?
do you know where the manuscript is going ? I called them and they said that it will be at the museum until the 3rd of August but forgot to ask where it goes after and whether it's possible to see it.
no i dnt have any idea where it will go afterwards... and i dnt know they have more pages ... but the official story is just a cover up there is something behind it with the passage of time they will let us know... now adays every fiels is more concerned about money rather than truth... thats what they are doing... its untill 5th august i think..
btw are you from uk
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no i dnt have any idea where it will go afterwards... and i dnt know they have more pages ... but the official story is just a cover up there is something behind it with the passage of time they will let us know... now adays every fiels is more concerned about money rather than truth... thats what they are doing... its untill 5th august i think..
btw are you from uk
yes I am from manchester and you?
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yes I am from manchester and you?
and i m from birmingham,, so come if u get a chance ,, before 5th of nxt month we will go together... wht u say?
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and i m from birmingham,, so come if u get a chance ,, before 5th of nxt month we will go together... wht u say?
I will try to see if I can make it this saturday ) check your PM
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I will try to see if I can make it this saturday ) check your PM
yeh thanx i got it ,,, see ya
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Was the Quran that we have now written and authorised by Mohammed the Prophet?
If so, could you please elaborate on it since i am seeking for the science of it.
Quick answer We don't know...
There isn't any statement of "I'm Muhammad, and I have thoroughly reviewed this document and declare it to be true as per my knowledge. It contains X sentences, Y words and Z letters"...
Most probably, if refering to the "Standard Islamic History" it wasn't written and authorized by Mohammad the prophet as it was compiled by a caliph long after Mohammad's death.
But does it really matter?
That's why one should not take a book (any book) as if it's an idol..
Does Tao The Ching that we have now written and authorized by Lao Tse?
The same answer We don't know..
And for the majority of it's readers, it doesn't really matter.. as they don't treat the book as idol or consider it as holy..The book of Gospels (especially Mark and Matthew) really INSPIRED me, it's opening up a new idea, a new point of view.. although it wasn't written and/or authorized by Jesus (and / or God).. And so does Book of Isaiah, Daniel and Jeremiah.. and many of other books..
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That's why one should not take a book (any book) as if it's an idol..
yeh thats logical.. nothing should b idol including books, messenger, code or anything...
but yeh about quran that book is not of muhammad, its from God and yeh God authorised it ... thats really matter...
quran is a book of God to the whole humankind...
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quran is a book of God to the whole humankind...
i don't think so...
The Quran is so "Israelitic" and so "Semitic"....
Non Semites or those who are not exposed or familiar with Semitic cultural background will not find it either compelling or interesting or relevant.. Some good examples has been discussed on various thread on this forum..Yet it also doesn't matter...
The "writings of God" (metaphorically speaking) can be found on the entire universe around you..
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i don't think so...
The Quran is so "Israelitic" and so "Semitic"....
Non Semites or those who are not exposed or familiar with Semitic cultural background will not find it either compelling or interesting or relevant.. Some good examples has been discussed on various thread on this forum..Yet it also doesn't matter...
The "writings of God" (metaphorically speaking) can be found on the entire universe around you..
And it cannot be forged by anyone...the signs of God in methphorically/ physically/ literatureally found on entire universe.. but with the passage of time things get updated the things that human being use... specially..
so the updated version is in hand and it challanges its worth,, isralitic scripture although share the same approach but when comes to challange its quran that provide a channel of logical judgement...other scriptures failed to provide scientific or logical challanges even mathematics erros ... and contradictions... but with quran its not the case..
as far the threads and misconfusion regaridng quran its either human weak understanding or interpretation by some secterian agenda... but truth stands firm ...
but again if u have soomething to share with me let me know something which make me revise my understanding,, becoz in the start i also try to find a error in quran but every time i failed ,, may be some of ur points will help me finding the error or illogical fallacy..
peace
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Imran,
Besides that Quran is very primitive style in the sectarian interpretation which I find a huge contradiction. Many times it is incoherent jumping from topic to topic. There are cases where there is a clause within the passage which is misfit.
Nothing can be made of fire meaning it is scientifically incorrect. Fire is just a visual phenomenon of a heated object which is disintegrating.
The sectarian interpretation of Quran has multiple problems. The subjective impression of divine writing blinds people from being objective. Quran is coming from Rabb, but it needs to be read as it was intended by its author then too.
Quran is primarily intended to teach about Rabb as an instruction to someone who already knows the truth about Rabb. It contains many pedagogical tips and tricks.
Be well
Amenuel -
brother ammanuel forget about the interpretation of secterian or anybody else...
what we need to understand is the boook of God and the book of einstien(wordly books) there must b a difference in it ,
thats what logic and reason tell us.. about things like fire spirit blow of God these are mataphorical when the human understanding cannot percive through dialouge so the language take a word what we commonly know similie or methaphor to give us a cloing understanding...
let say i told you brother ammanue i see a garden nobody ever see it...
then you ask a question from me what you see there...?
i try to explain you in the communicating way what you easily understand so i make things similar with things what you see ..
now see my answer ,, i see there rivers are flowing in layers , first layer was of milk second was of water.. third layer was of honey...
you just understand water river becoz you already saw it.. you will disagree with me about milk and honey its not possible...
then you ask again what else you see...
i told you about the sound that was very melodious i cannot explain its music or what
so again i used similie i say i heard a glorious music now you understand a worldy music which already we listen but it was far away from music it was a enchanting sound ... only the one who experience can understand ...anyway treat quran like how it should be treated dnt run so fast my brother.. i also once try to find a error but more i investigate more i get to know how stupid i m , becoz i dnt even know lot of things how they work in this life law.. so i first need to learn these laws... and i m still learning ... learning not finish but i think my life will get finish one day and i will still be a student when death approaches me.. lol
peace
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You still cannot make an object out of fire, imran. Fire is not a substance. It is like I wrote the "visual effect" of a chemical process by the heat of disintegrating matter when it has turned unstable and had a reaction. It could be seen as being mere energy and the flame is the amount of heat signified by varying color of it depending on temperature. Yellow is quite cold in comparison. So actually fire is heat that has generated due to the reaction and as you know heat streams upwards just like the lit flame.
And what does the sectarian interpretation of Quran say? "Jinn" are made of fire. It is factually wrong as the world is not designed that way. Actually the world (the bodily = al-jinn) is made of energy/heat (root Nun-Waw-Ra in Arabic) and it is what Quran wishes to disclose among virtually worthless interpretations. Translation of Nun-Waw-Ra is wrong, the Jinn is made of energy/heat and marks the objects of this world. The body of ours is a jinn. Everyone here on Earth is (in) a jinn. Your neighbor is in a jinn.
Scientific advancements reveal that the above is true. Quantum physics has reached a kind of crossroads. They have discovered that marvelously the world seems innately to be constructed by a kind of "charged unknown entities/fragments".
You also cannot destroy energy, it just takes a different form. Same is true for atoms being burnt or manipulated by other means. They transform into something else. A burnt human turns into the carbon it is partially made of (to ashes). But fire cannot be turned into anything as it is not a substance to begin with.
If a matter started to disintegrate by reaching a certain amount of generated heat (usually called flammability) then such as oxygen fuels the disintegration. This phenomenon is quite marvelous. What is visible of this disintegration is CALLED fire. The heat takes a color when it dissipates from the burning object. Radiation/light, it all goes hand in hand and is marked by the Arabic root Nun-Waw-Ra. The phenomenon of the universal energy is called Nun-Waw-Ra and when in reaction it produces heat. It is even the friction between the matter itself (same substance) that generates heat. Enough friction and you get smoke. Rub your hands sufficiently against each other and they may turn red and it is due to the friction and generated heat. Your cells in the hands may eventually begin to die (by matter instability) due to this heat if you obsessive compulsively continue to rub your hands.
Hope you understand what I mean by this and see the contradiction in saying Jinn are made of fire and saying they are invisible beings.
First of all, were they against logic made of fire they would clearly be visible because as long as something is on fire it will show up and if it is not on fire it will cease to exist (if fire was a substance something could be composed of).
This is ancient superstition, imran. Similar kind of superstition as the Zoroastrians who always keep a live flame lit. God is everywhere no matter if you have a fire lit or not. Same is that angels are here no matter if you/they have a fire lit. Angels nor God are limited by the dynamics of this world and they are unbound to matter. Being made (controlled) of Nun-Waw-Ra is a trait of weakness, imran. What God has willed to show is that the world (symbolized by the bodily/jinn) is made of energy or heat depending on how to look at it. Satan is of the jinn because Satan is simply put our body's instinctive drive -)
Be well
Amenuel -
I will try to see if I can make it this saturday check your PM
I advice you to go on another day, every day except on Saturday since we should respect the Shabbath in light of the Torah.
Peace.
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Quick answer We don't know...
There isn't any statement of "I'm Muhammad, and I have thoroughly reviewed this document and declare it to be true as per my knowledge. It contains X sentences, Y words and Z letters"...
Most probably, if refering to the "Standard Islamic History" it wasn't written and authorized by Mohammad the prophet as it was compiled by a caliph long after Mohammad's death.
But does it really matter?
That's why one should not take a book (any book) as if it's an idol..
Does Tao The Ching that we have now written and authorized by Lao Tse?
The same answer We don't know..
And for the majority of it's readers, it doesn't really matter.. as they don't treat the book as idol or consider it as holy..The book of Gospels (especially Mark and Matthew) really INSPIRED me, it's opening up a new idea, a new point of view.. although it wasn't written and/or authorized by Jesus (and / or God).. And so does Book of Isaiah, Daniel and Jeremiah.. and many of other books..
You should really reconsider what you said.
If God authorised the Quran, and in the Quran we find that God also authorised the Gospel, and in the Gospel we find about Isaiah and Jeremiah..
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How?
Because we read a lot about Abraham? Noah? Adam? Umm, Moses, David, Jesus?
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Imran,
Besides that Quran is very primitive style in the sectarian interpretation which I find a huge contradiction. Many times it is incoherent jumping from topic to topic. There are cases where there is a clause within the passage which is misfit.
Nothing can be made of fire meaning it is scientifically incorrect. Fire is just a visual phenomenon of a heated object which is disintegrating.
The sectarian interpretation of Quran has multiple problems. The subjective impression of divine writing blinds people from being objective. Quran is coming from Rabb, but it needs to be read as it was intended by its author then too.
Quran is primarily intended to teach about Rabb as an instruction to someone who already knows the truth about Rabb. It contains many pedagogical tips and tricks.
Be well
AmenuelDon't forget about how the Israeli people saw how most of the Arab nations hated them openly.
But yet the Quran told us that the Torah and the Gospel contain guidance and light.
We read the Quran in it's light anyways if we also read the Torah, Psalms and Gospel.
The Problems start when we abandon the Torah, and start reading books like that of Bukhari, Ibn Madja, Tirmidhi etc.
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Don't forget about how the Israeli people saw how most of the Arab nations hated them openly.
But yet the Quran told us that the Torah and the Gospel contain guidance and light.
We read the Quran in it's light anyways if we also read the Torah, Psalms and Gospel.
The Problems start when we abandon the Torah, and start reading books like that of Bukhari, Ibn Madja, Tirmidhi etc.
Are you talking about th Balfour declaration or what are talking about.
You seem to wander thousands of years mixing eveyrthing up and of course blaminng tha Arabs. Always blame the Arabs, there you cannot be wrong.
And in what are many parts of the old testament any better than Bujari and why should the qur'an be passed through the sieve of the old Testament as if it wasn't clear enough or the old testament were any cleaarertha the Qur'an.
That is where a lot of hadith come from recisely from te old testament. Bukhari is notopposed to the old testament but abut the same.Plus ?a change plus c'est la m?me chose.
Salaam