Hello all, this is my new home !
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Welcome to the forum.
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The movement started by Rashad Khalifa was a bold and brave action
people before khalifa were already aware about it but they was confused..in rejecting the hadith science in full..
like people including , syed ahmed khan, allama iqbal(national poet of indo pak) and more recently ghulam ahmed pervaiz...
khalifa came up with an agenda , which he later added... he was infact not a hadith rejector he support his very claim with the same secondary sources..
anyway.. its glad that there are always people who use reasoning and brain and they distinguish between right and wrong.. free minds is a movement no doubt God blessed them with intelligence... they can figure out things easily..
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Welcome to the group !
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Phase one of "Operation Convert Ummah Forum" is complete! Muahahahahahaha!! voodoo elektro
Welcome to the forum brother. )
Google group... Huh. Never thought about that. How did you even find out about it to begin with if it's private? Why is it private? Is it still active? How many people?
Makes me wonder if all the other sites who appear "article only" have a closed group or something... I know the Quranists site has Facebook groups. One of them even has 1k members, there's another Facebook page with 6k likes...
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Phase one of "Operation Convert Ummah Forum" is complete! Muahahahahahaha!! voodoo elektro
Welcome to the forum brother. )
Thank you !
ught about that. How did you even find out about it to begin with if it's private? Why is it private? Is it still active? How many people?
I would say they got around 110 members. So far the members entered the group after they contacted the admin with their personal questions (admin the owner of the website, his e-mail is on the website) Before they get access they face trial-questions like "what is the correct form of Shahada and how many times a day do you pray". The group is exclusive because they don't want a discussion-group but a group with only like-minded fellows. Frequently there are members who get kicked because they turned out to be on the wrong path.
I can give a few examples- One guy got kicked because he saw the Torah still as the word of God even though the Quran says it got corrupted. He didn't like the fact that tattoo was not forbidden in the Quran like in his beloved Torah.
- Another guy got kicked because he considered the bible, torah as books from God, together with the Quran. He had started separate Facebook groups; each group for each book.
- Generally making statements without evidence from the Quran can get you warnings with the risk of being removed from the group
Sometimes members asks to be removed themselves
- One member asked to be removed when he refused to believe RK was a messenger from God
- One member removed himself when he believed his input to improve the Quran-translation was ignored, even though his Arabic knowledge was bad.
And yes the group is still active. I am still in it's whatsapp-group which is hosted by a separate member.
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HOLA! ?COMO ESTAS? welcome
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Welcome.
You see, I was always in a learning phase of Islam. My parents are slow teachers.
I was just blindly following my family without questions. But always very sceptical.You followed your inner compass...... usually a good thing. We are all in a learning phase, it never ends.
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Thank you !
I can give a few examples- One guy got kicked because he saw the Torah still as the word of God even though the Quran says it got corrupted. He didn't like the fact that tattoo was not forbidden in the Quran like in his beloved Torah.
- Another guy got kicked because he considered the bible, torah as books from God, together with the Quran. He had started separate Facebook groups; each group for each book.
- Generally making statements without evidence from the Quran can get you warnings with the risk of being removed from the group
Sometimes members asks to be removed themselves
- One member asked to be removed when he refused to believe RK was a messenger from God
Interesting... sounds like Quran + RK cult....
welcome
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Interesting... sounds like Quran + RK cult....
welcome
Thanks. In the beginning they were alert though Unlike submission.org and masjidtucson.org they said they do not glorify RK himself. But since they attributed more verses to RK then RK himself originally did, I knew the line between them was getting thinner by the day. Before I suggested to remove RK's translation from the website, I preferred no translations from the Quran instead using a bogus one like from RK. But they refused.
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Peace Dakhan.
Have you got a better translation out there than RK? If you have please provide it so we can compare.
And before you rush judging people as idolising this and that, my aim is to compare the translation of the Arabic verses one by one.
We can all easily claim anything. We need to demonstrate our claim from Qoran,then we can use the verses to consolidate our claim.
For example ,to date I have not found a better translation for this verse
2215
If anyone thinks that God cannot support him in this life and in the Hereafter, let him turn completely to (his Creator in) heaven, and sever (his dependence on anyone else). He will then see that this plan eliminates anything that bothers him.Thank you.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Dakhan.
Have you got a better translation out there than RK? If you have please provide it so we can compare.
And before you rush judging people as idolising this and that, my aim is to compare the translation of the Arabic verses one by one.
We can all easily claim anything. We need to demonstrate our claim from Qoran,then we can use the verses to consolidate our claim.Peace, I will look into a way of how I can upload that translation. But I will wait first till that translation is finished. Currently it is in the revision phase, which means the verses are each by each being re-checked for any translation-mistakes.
For example ,to date I have not found a better translation for this verse
2215
If anyone thinks that God cannot support him in this life and in the Hereafter, let him turn completely to (his Creator in) heaven, and sever (his dependence on anyone else). He will then see that this plan eliminates anything that bothers him.Thank you.
GOD bless you.
PeaceInteresting, that the verse you give is one of the few verses that got a footnote attached to it. I will forward it to you
For the one who thinks that God will not support him in this world and in the Hereafter, let him reach out to the sky with his cause, then sever all else. Then let him see if his action removes what aggravates him.
Footnote 2215 ? This verse has been subject to various misinterpretations. Some claiming that God is advising us to dangle a rope from the ceiling and hang ourselves! Obviously this can never be the correct understanding since it would contradict with the Quranic prohibition of taking any life except in the course of justice. These glorious words in actual fact provide a great test for all people with regards to how much they trust and depend on God. God invites anyone who doubts God?s support in this life or the Hereafter, to turn to the sky (in prayer to God) and sever his dependence on anyone else. He should then look and see if this action removes what has been aggravating him or not.
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Peace Dakhan.
You mean RK got that verse translated right according to your footnote?
I wonder why throw away all of RK s translation then?
Like I said I found some of his work inspired. The best out the hundreds of translations I have studied.In fact the majority of today s translators are copying his work.
GOD S invisible forces that guard Qoran will not allow any insincere person to have access to Qoran. RK must have been sincere at least?
The sad thing is some are copying him and discrediting him at the same time. Strange.
GOD bless you.
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although the translations of rk are nice but again its just translations , he just did something with two verses which cause lot of people to turn away from his teachings...
he should not do a thing which was not authorised to him... instead of rejecting the verses there were other solutions which could solve the problems for him but i dnt know why God let it happen like it , otherwise 19 would be a Big idol , now after that atleast people use reason instead of blind faith...
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Peace Dakhan.
You mean RK got that verse translated right according to your footnote?
I wonder why throw away all of RK s translation then?
Like I said I found some of his work inspired. The best out the hundreds of translations I have studied.In fact the majority of today s translators are copying his work.
GOD S invisible forces that guard Qoran will not allow any insincere person to have access to Qoran. RK must have been sincere at least?
The sad thing is some are copying him and discrediting him at the same time. Strange.
GOD bless you.
Peace.In a group convo, the translator of the Quran I am using (translated by the admin of quran-islam.org) had this to say about RK's translation when I confronted him about RK's translation-errors
The translation of RK, even though contains numerous errors, yet is a very sincere translation and delivers the message of the book perfectly well. In addition, unlike all the translation that were available at the time of RK, it is not influenced by, nor promotes hadith whatsoever.
It was for that reason that when I launched my site (17 years ago) it was the best translation available at the time.Here is a example how the Quran I am using is translated A member in the google-group questioned the new Quran-translation and preferred RK's translation of verse 3357. The admin of Quran-Islam.org responded to the member with the following post
Salaam *****,
Thank you for your comment.
When I translate the Quran I like to be consistent with words I translate rather than translate them differently in various verses, unless we have clear evidence that a word in the Quran has more than one meaning (like for example the words Salat and Zakat).The word "Yu'thoon" means to cause Atha ... Atha in Arabic means harm.
We cannot get away from this meaning.
So "Yu'thoon" means to cause harm.I see your point that using "oppose" suits the context of 3357 better since no one can harm God.
But the way I understand this verse is that the disbelievers "think" that they are harming God by harming His messenger ... so the intention of harm is in their minds, but as you said no one can harm God.
This is not any different from the phrasing in the following verse
They attempt to deceive God and those who believe, but they deceive none but themselves without realising it.
In theory, no one can deceive God, but they "think" they are doing it ....
this is the same in 3357 .... they "think" they are harming God, but they can never do that, all they do is harm themselves.The reason I reject RK's translation is because he added his name in some verses, to back-up his claim for being a messenger, for example
We have sent you (O Rashad) to this community, just as we did
for other communities in the past. You shall recite to them what we
reveal to you, for they have disbelieved in the Most Gracious. Say,
"He is my Lord. There is no god except He. I put my trust in Him
alone; to Him is my ultimate destiny."We have sent messengers before you (O Rashad), and we made
them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce a
miracle without GOD's authorization, and in accordance with a
specific, predetermined time.We have sent you (Rashad) as a deliverer of good news, as well
as a warner.We have sent you (O Rashad) to all the people, a bearer of
good news, as well as a warner, but most people do not know.Say, "I ask you to do one thing Devote yourselves to GOD, in
pairs or as individuals, then reflect. Your friend (Rashad) is not
crazy. He is a manifest warner to you, just before the advent of a
terrible retribution."Are they saying, "He (Rashad) has fabricated lies about GOD!"?
If GOD willed, He could have sealed your mind, but GOD erases the
falsehood and affirms the truth with His words. He is fully aware of
the innermost thoughts.Your friend (Rashad) is not crazy.
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7411 So leave Me alone with the one I have created.
7412 And I gave him abundant wealth.
7413 And sons to bear witness.
7414 And I made everything comfortable for him.
7415 Then he is greedy, wanting that I give more.
7416 No. He was stubborn to Our revelations.
7417 I will exhaust him in climbing.
7418 He thought and he analyzed.
7419 So woes to him for how he analyzed.
7420 Then woe to him for how he thought.
7421 Then he looked.
7422 Then he frowned and became bad tempered.
7423 And then he turned away in pride.these are some important verses in the chapter in which the 19 angels of hell fire are being mention by God...
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RK have two editions of translations one before messengership one after messengership ,
that indicate something fishy was going on his mind...
