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    Adam_The_Warner
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    The most common amongst Sunnis is the 6 books you mention, particularly Bukhari and Muslim.

    In terms of most authentic, you can make up your mind using mathematics
    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601492.msg265068#msg265068
    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598092.msg197247#msg197247

    ;D

    Anyways, you started discussing. So.., how many narrations do you think were the same of these 600.000? Were they all unique? If they were not all unique it makes your calculation not correct.

    Anyways, what made me turn away from these books is just the cult, indoctrination, contradictions etc. and what made it worse is that they propagate it in the name of Mohammed.
    Also just look at how God talks about the Torah and the Gospel, as a Guidance and a Light, and He honored the Psalms and David, the King of Israel which did strive for Zion. And compare that view with the view of these people that act like how the "HAMAS" and groups like "ISIS" act today.

    Oh, about "ISIS". The whole Sunni world claims to follow the books of bukhari/muslem/ibn madja etc. but it's only groups like "ISIS" who practise such books. Who wouldn't dream about an "Islamic state"? Who wouldn't dream about "a free ticket to paradise"? Who wouldn't dream about "taking like 70 people according to your own desire with you to paradise" etc.?

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      no need to mention certain narrations from those books

      The ones I mentioned were not from their books.

      i wonder how much time he got left to read the Quran.

      He didn't. Hence, he has artificial verses in his collection
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609007.msg397805#msg397805

      What we learn from hadiths?
      Prophet Musa is more knowledgeable than Allah, the tyrant who went to burden us humans with 50 prayers.

      Only Prophet Muhammad received revelations from Allah and Islam was new.Sahih al-Bukhari 4981

      Greatest Sins= greatest hitsSahih al-Bukhari 5977
      Book 78, Hadith 8, Book 65, Hadith 4477 and weak Sunan Abi Dawud 3342/Book 23, Hadith 17

      Killing is the solution to every problem and reward whether it is a geko, dog, snake, crows, exmuslim, adulterer, disbeliever, thief, animal raped by a human...I might have missed listing some more. I apologize for it.

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        The ones I mentioned were not from their books.

        He didn't. Hence, he has artificial verses in his collection
        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609007.msg397805#msg397805

        What we learn from hadiths?
        Prophet Musa is more knowledgeable than Allah, the tyrant who went to burden us humans with 50 prayers.

        Only Prophet Muhammad received revelations from Allah and Islam was new.Sahih al-Bukhari 4981

        Greatest Sins= greatest hitsSahih al-Bukhari 5977
        Book 78, Hadith 8, Book 65, Hadith 4477 and weak Sunan Abi Dawud 3342/Book 23, Hadith 17

        Killing is the solution to every problem and reward whether it is a geko, dog, snake, crows, exmuslim, adulterer, disbeliever, thief, animal raped by a human...I might have missed listing some more. I apologize for it.

        Yeah, i meant the other brother which did mention narrations from those books. I hope one day all books which are falsely being attributed to God will be burned. Amen.

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          I said just the sect name and compilers of narrations. This is a thread that is probably soon to be going forgotten because of all the discussions that it will have.

          Also, i already mentioned the 6 compilers/narrators, there was no need to mention certain narrations from those books. Have you even read the whole post that i did made ignore?

          But yeah guys, you are right there are so many contradictions. Impossible what Bukhari did, i wonder how much time he did have to read the Quran. If he actually existed.

          May the Lord guide humanity, we should spread the message of "Quran alone". What about making youtube videos, using social media? Take your chance! Especially those who are learning Arabic, spread the Message because i do not know if Arabs even dare to think outside the box. I often think, what kind of faith would i have if i grew up in a place in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Syria. In the end God is Almighty, and it's He who Guides of course!

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            As long as we are speaking about sects, please include in your list

            "Christian" sect
            Paul

            Modern day Christianity is heavily influenced by Paul, it is even termed Paulinian doctrine.
            Modern day Christianity takes its major teaching from letters of Paul and forgot the letters written in red.
            There was clear enmity between Paul and the disciples. Add the fact that Paul did not even know the Messiah, Isa and that Isa warned his disciples and followers of a false prophet.
            If I take the letters written by Paul at face value, then a clear example and evidence of Paul inventing his own religion is when he claims that everything is lawful for food.
            Whilst Isa clearly said he has not come to change the laws of the prophets.
            Therefore your average Christian(a vast majority) has chosen to follow a false prophet like the average Sunni, Shiite, Salafi and so on have chosen to follow false prophets.

            Judean sect
            Pick any of your rabbinic authority of choice responsible for Talmud if they are identifiable

            I don't think I need to really explain this further look at the majority of the present day "practicing Jews".
            Perhaps this term alone suffices goyim

            They're all pathetic sectarians let's not single out any of them.
            If you hold that we are all brothers of the Book then don't be partial in your criticizing of the corruptors and the astray.

            Actually I want to ask because all this ties together.... You use a lot of citations from the Bible, a newly converted Quran Alone Muslim who was before a Christian may be enticed by such methodology.
            Could you really spread the Message of Old Testament Alone or New Testament Alone, as you wish to be done with Quran Alone?
            I say this because a lot of acquaintances attempt to show me through bible verses that Jesus is God and that he is His only begotten son by citing John and other evangelical books. It is in the Bible.
            Perhaps you and I understand that such is not true but what rationale can you supply a Christian to convince them that it is a falsehood if you yourself claim with no restriction that the Quran strongly suggests that the people of these books should judge with these books?

            I patiently await an intelligent and thoughtful response addressing my points.

            Thank you in advance

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              As long as we are speaking about sects, please include in your list

              "Christian" sect
              Paul

              Modern day Christianity is heavily influenced by Paul, it is even termed Paulinian doctrine.
              Modern day Christianity takes its major teaching from letters of Paul and forgot the letters written in red.
              There was clear enmity between Paul and the disciples. Add the fact that Paul did not even know the Messiah, Isa and that Isa warned his disciples and followers of a false prophet.
              If I take the letters written by Paul at face value, then a clear example and evidence of Paul inventing his own religion is when he claims that everything is lawful for food.
              Whilst Isa clearly said he has not come to change the laws of the prophets.
              Therefore your average Christian(a vast majority) has chosen to follow a false prophet like the average Sunni, Shiite, Salafi and so on have chosen to follow false prophets.

              Judean sect
              Pick any of your rabbinic authority of choice responsible for Talmud if they are identifiable

              I don't think I need to really explain this further look at the majority of the present day "practicing Jews".
              Perhaps this term alone suffices goyim

              They're all pathetic sectarians let's not single out any of them

              hmm Agreed

              There are no "books of Jesus" the new testament is all hadith yes

              1. Paul
              2. Luke
              3. John
              4. Mathew
              5. Revelations
              6. Acts
              7. Romans
              8. 1 Corinthians

              police

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                As long as we are speaking about sects, please include in your list

                "Christian" sect
                Paul

                Modern day Christianity is heavily influenced by Paul, it is even termed Paulinian doctrine.
                Modern day Christianity takes its major teaching from letters of Paul and forgot the letters written in red.
                There was clear enmity between Paul and the disciples. Add the fact that Paul did not even know the Messiah, Isa and that Isa warned his disciples and followers of a false prophet.
                If I take the letters written by Paul at face value, then a clear example and evidence of Paul inventing his own religion is when he claims that everything is lawful for food.
                Whilst Isa clearly said he has not come to change the laws of the prophets.
                Therefore your average Christian(a vast majority) has chosen to follow a false prophet like the average Sunni, Shiite, Salafi and so on have chosen to follow false prophets.

                Judean sect
                Pick any of your rabbinic authority of choice responsible for Talmud if they are identifiable

                I don't think I need to really explain this further look at the majority of the present day "practicing Jews".
                Perhaps this term alone suffices goyim

                They're all pathetic sectarians let's not single out any of them.
                If you hold that we are all brothers of the Book then don't be partial in your criticizing of the corruptors and the astray.

                Actually I want to ask because all this ties together.... You use a lot of citations from the Bible, a newly converted Quran Alone Muslim who was before a Christian may be enticed by such methodology.
                Could you really spread the Message of Old Testament Alone or New Testament Alone, as you wish to be done with Quran Alone?
                I say this because a lot of acquaintances attempt to show me through bible verses that Jesus is God and that he is His only begotten son by citing John and other evangelical books. It is in the Bible.
                Perhaps you and I understand that such is not true but what rationale can you supply a Christian to convince them that it is a falsehood if you yourself claim with no restriction that the Quran strongly suggests that the people of these books should judge with these books?

                I patiently await an intelligent and thoughtful response addressing my points.

                Thank you in advance

                An English translation of the Gospel -

                Romans 11 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God?

                1 Corinthians 91 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord?

                Acts 1414 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting

                Acts 152 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

                Acts 1522 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers.

                1 Corinthians 11 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

                2 Corinthians 11 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia

                Galatians 11 Paul, an apostle?sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead?

                Ephesians 11 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God?s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus

                Colossians 11 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,

                1 Timothy 11 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,

                2 Timothy 11 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, in keeping with the promise of life that is in Christ Jesus,

                Titus 11 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God?s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness?

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                  An English translation of the Quran - 547 The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked.,

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                    hmm Agreed

                    There are no "books of Jesus" the new testament is all hadith yes

                    1. Paul
                    2. Luke
                    3. John
                    4. Mathew
                    5. Revelations
                    6. Acts
                    7. Romans
                    8. 1 Corinthians

                    police

                    An English translation of the Quran - 355 For God said "O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who have rejected until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed."

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                      An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 1033 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

                      An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 1624 Then Jesus said to his disciples, ?Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

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                        Peace Adam The Warner I understand you trying
                        to propagate your Christianity, but there is no need here at
                        free minds. As a former Christian I hope that you find peace,
                        but for me your words are empty, the holes in Christianity
                        have been filled by Quran Al Kareem. No offense intended.
                        "Lakum Deenukum Waliya Deen"

                        peace

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                          Peace Adam The Warner I understand you trying
                          to propagate your Christianity, but there is no need here at
                          free minds. As a former Christian I hope that you find peace,
                          but for me your words are empty, the holes in Christianity
                          have been filled by Quran Al Kareem. No offense intended.
                          "Lakum Deenukum Waliya Deen"

                          peace

                          An English translation of the Quran - 2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers "We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny."

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                            An English translation of the Quran - 2946 And do not argue with the people of the Book except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit."

                            "we believe.."

                            "in what was revealed to us" ..

                            "and" ..

                            "in what was revealed to you" ..

                            An English translation of the Quran - 566 And if they had upheld the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded from above them and from beneath their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but most of them only do evil.

                            "and"..

                            An English translation of the Quran - 568 Say "O people of the Book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.

                            "you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel", of course if you reject the Law that was send by God to Moses, of course if you reject the Gospel which was preached with an abundance of Love by the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary.

                            And lets not forget the Sabbath.

                            An English translation of the Quran - 447 O you who have received the Book, believe in what We have sent down authenticating what is with you, before We cast down faces and turn them on their backs or curse them as the people of the Sabbath were cursed. And the will of God is always done.

                            "authenticating what is with you", don't act like you know what Christianity is.

                            An English translation of the Quran - 33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.

                            So..., who are you to tell others that the Torah and the Gospel are corrupt and not the word of God?

                            An English translation of the Quran - 239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.

                            Turn back o people! Fear God. Stop following these people who try to tell you they left Christianity and that the Word of God is empty.

                            May the Lord guide humanity.

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                              You have finally exposed yourself nope

                              And lets not forget the Sabbath.

                              You like to cite the Quran only when it is convenient for you, besides citing the Quran to support what you think is the Torah and Injeel it does not seem you know much of what the Quran actually says.

                              You know not the Quran if you claim there is a sabbath.

                              16124

                              Innama juAAila alssabtu AAala allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi wa-inna rabbaka layahkumu baynahum yawma alqiyamati feema kanoo feehi yakhtalifoona

                              Only was appointed the Sabbath for those who differed in it. And indeed, your Lord will surely judge between them (on) the Day (of) the Resurrection in what they used (to) differ.

                              So..., who are you to tell others that the Torah and the Gospel are corrupt and not the word of God?

                              Intelligent rational reasoning functioning unsealed minded God-fearing individuals. That's who we are in this matter.
                              We actually ponder and do not follow our desires like you have demonstrated by your inability to raise sound argument or address the flaws in your reasoning and methodology.

                              You'd have to be unable to read or comprehend apparent language or speech to claim that the Bible as is today is not corrupt.
                              Do you then say the Bible is right in claiming Isa is the son of God?

                              You have also exposed your desires by your most recent icon-avatar profile pic (Isa was not crucified)

                              Turn back o people! Fear God. Stop following these people who try to tell you they left Christianity and that the Word of God is empty.

                              So much to address here....

                              1. First, please take several seats...we have not insinuated at all that the Word of God is empty and bearing such false misleading accusations upon believers will be accounted for on your record undoubtedly

                              2. The fact that you think that Christianity has anything to do with the deen shows your lack of knowledge in Classical Arabic and Quran. How are you going to give lessons in Arabic when you have misunderstood that Christianity is the made-up name of a sect that is completely unrelated to the Nasara in the Quran?? You should reconsider teaching until you have actually learned.
                                The Nasara were nothing like what the Christians are today. Nasara does not even translate to Christian. Hint it is related to a response the disciples gave Isa. And the name Nasara is directly related to Allah not Jesus unlike the name Christian. Christ stems from greek and it is somewhat of a translation of the word Messiah. Complete idol worship even in the name of the denomination.

                              3. You think the Torah and Injeel are the complete Word of God, yet you are unable to explain how people are supposed to judge with a book that tells them that Jesus is God and that Jesus is God's only begotten son and that Mary had a husband and that Lut slept with his daughters and that Moses attributed a miracle to himself, a book that tells them they must mutilate their private parts a book that claims Allah rested on the seventh day after creation....etcc..
                                You can't address these simple issues and all you do is cite the same verses over and over (which by the way is sort of spam)

                              We believe in God's verses and we know that what we have today is either heavily corrupt or not at all the original.

                              The Quran and Torah are supposed to share similarity but the structure, form and writing prose is considerably different.
                              In Quran Allah often addresses the Messenger in singular form (you), Allah authorizes many verses as "These are the Verses of your Lord" and so many more, Allah is The indisputable Narrator, while that is not the case at all for the Old Testament.

                              The Injeel is an other story, although it was supposed to a book sent down to Isa we see not this as the case. We see biographies written about Isa and the narrators are clearly the authors (whoever they may be) not Allah.

                              We are not saying that we disbelieve in what the Quran refers to as Torah and Injeel we are saying that you have misidentified those books as Old Testament and New Testament

                              My reason, experience and understanding leads me to perceive that the Previous Scripture mentioned in the Quran was nothing like what we have today.
                              The bible is highly blasphemous (claiming God had a son and that a prophet is God) and that alone indicates that it is at the least corrupt.

                              Please for YOUR own benefit reconsider your unevidenced erroneous position and ponder carefully over what I presented to you.
                              Perhaps our Lord may guide you to the sound way.

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                                You have finally exposed yourself nope

                                You like to cite the Quran only when it is convenient for you, besides citing the Quran to support what you think is the Torah and Injeel it does not seem you know much of what the Quran actually says.

                                You know not the Quran if you claim there is a sabbath.

                                16124

                                Innama juAAila alssabtu AAala allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi wa-inna rabbaka layahkumu baynahum yawma alqiyamati feema kanoo feehi yakhtalifoona

                                Only was appointed the Sabbath for those who differed in it. And indeed, your Lord will surely judge between them (on) the Day (of) the Resurrection in what they used (to) differ.

                                Intelligent rational reasoning functioning unsealed minded God-fearing individuals. That's who we are in this matter.
                                We actually ponder and do not follow our desires like you have demonstrated by your inability to raise sound argument or address the flaws in your reasoning and methodology.

                                You'd have to be unable to read or comprehend apparent language or speech to claim that the Bible as is today is not corrupt.
                                Do you then say the Bible is right in claiming Isa is the son of God?

                                You have also exposed your desires by your most recent icon-avatar profile pic (Isa was not crucified)

                                So much to address here....

                                1. First, please take several seats...we have not insinuated at all that the Word of God is empty and bearing such false misleading accusations upon believers will be accounted for on your record undoubtedly

                                2. The fact that you think that Christianity has anything to do with the deen shows your lack of knowledge in Classical Arabic and Quran. How are you going to give lessons in Arabic when you have misunderstood that Christianity is the made-up name of a sect that is completely unrelated to the Nasara in the Quran?? You should reconsider teaching until you have actually learned.
                                  The Nasara were nothing like what the Christians are today. Nasara does not even translate to Christian. Hint it is related to a response the disciples gave Isa. And the name Nasara is directly related to Allah not Jesus unlike the name Christian. Christ stems from greek and it is somewhat of a translation of the word Messiah. Complete idol worship even in the name of the denomination.

                                3. You think the Torah and Injeel are the complete Word of God, yet you are unable to explain how people are supposed to judge with a book that tells them that Jesus is God and that Jesus is God's only begotten son and that Mary had a husband and that Lut slept with his daughters and that Moses attributed a miracle to himself, a book that tells them they must mutilate their private parts a book that claims Allah rested on the seventh day after creation....etcc..
                                  You can't address these simple issues and all you do is cite the same verses over and over (which by the way is sort of spam)

                                We believe in God's verses and we know that what we have today is either heavily corrupt or not at all the original.

                                The Quran and Torah are supposed to share similarity but the structure, form and writing prose is considerably different.
                                In Quran Allah often addresses the Messenger in singular form (you), Allah authorizes many verses as "These are the Verses of your Lord" and so many more, Allah is The indisputable Narrator, while that is not the case at all for the Old Testament.

                                The Injeel is an other story, although it was supposed to a book sent down to Isa we see not this as the case. We see biographies written about Isa and the narrators are clearly the authors (whoever they may be) not Allah.

                                We are not saying that we disbelieve in what the Quran refers to as Torah and Injeel we are saying that you have misidentified those books as Old Testament and New Testament

                                My reason, experience and understanding leads me to perceive that the Previous Scripture mentioned in the Quran was nothing like what we have today.
                                The bible is highly blasphemous (claiming God had a son and that a prophet is God) and that alone indicates that it is at the least corrupt.

                                Please for YOUR own benefit reconsider your unevidenced erroneous position and ponder carefully over what I presented to you.
                                Perhaps our Lord may guide you to the sound way.

                                Your "list" of statements already is wrong at point 1, go reread the thread. Really, i do not care about what you say except you sharing the Quranic verses.

                                Anyways, An English translation of the Quran - 16124 Indeed, the Sabbath was only decreed for those who had disputed in it, and your Lord will judge between them for that in which they had disputed.

                                The point is that you are disputing it, so that's why it's decreed for you? I advice you to read the Torah to grasp the context of this verse, it's a Guidance and a Light, send by God!

                                An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 65 Then Jesus said to them, ?The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.?

                                An English translation of the Torah - Exodus 208 ?Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

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                                  offtopic

                                  whatever

                                  yeah

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                                    Anyways, you started discussing. So.., how many narrations do you think were the same of these 600.000? Were they all unique? If they were not all unique it makes your calculation not correct.

                                    I am aware that Bukhari collected duplicates but that does not necessarily mean exactly the same content/matn AND transmission/isnad, e.g. some may have had similar/same content but different transmission. It doesn't really matter as he still spent time collecting/reading/reviewing them. Note in my calculation no time was taken out for any worldly affairs, e.g. sleep, eat etc.

                                    The calculation is an estimate. It's simply another tool to use against the pro-hadith argument.

                                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                      I am aware that Bukhari collected duplicates but that does not necessarily mean exactly the same content/matn AND transmission/isnad, e.g. some may have had similar/same content but different transmission. It doesn't really matter as he still spent time collecting/reading/reviewing them. Note in my calculation no time was taken out for any worldly affairs, e.g. sleep, eat etc.

                                      The calculation is an estimate. It's simply another tool to use against the pro-hadith argument.

                                      Yeah, i didn't calculate sleep,eating etc. also. But a big argument that they can shoot back is "Not all narrations were unique, there were a lot the same".

                                      So this does make the 600.000+/- narrations not the same as 600.000 unique narrations. I hope you understand what i mean. Because it doesn't take the same time to compile 600.000 with repetition as 600.000 unique ones.

                                      600.000 narrations with half of them that are repetitions of others is not the same as 600.000 unique ones. Anyways, may the Lord protect us from the accursed devil, the whisperers of the devils and from them coming closer to us and may He protect us from committing idolatry.

                                      I do not know if those 600.000 are all unique, or how much have repetitions. I do not accept those books anyways, since they are not inspired and contain contradictions, falsehood, propaganda and false doctrines. So it doesn't matter how much are unique or with repetition. The word of God is perfect in detail and complete in justice.

                                      Yeah, so i hope i made my point. I think i understand yours. But there is a catch in it, and they might use it against simple souls.

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                                        photocopying did not exist back then.

                                        Salaam

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                                          Your "list" of statements already is wrong at point 1, go reread the thread. Really, i do not care about what you say except you sharing the Quranic verses.

                                          Anyways, An English translation of the Quran - 16124 Indeed, the Sabbath was only decreed for those who had disputed in it, and your Lord will judge between them for that in which they had disputed.

                                          The point is that you are disputing it, so that's why it's decreed for you? I advice you to read the Torah to grasp the context of this verse, it's a Guidance and a Light, send by God!

                                          An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 65 Then Jesus said to them, The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

                                          An English translation of the Torah - Exodus 208 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

                                          The many reasons given in the Bible for Sabbath have nothing to do with the Truth
                                          http//biblehub.com/topical/s/sabbath.htm#cnc

                                          The Quran well explains that the sabbath was prescribed for a certain group of israelites living on a coastal region and it was pertaining their fishing on the sabbath.

                                          (2657) l-sabti the (matter of) Sabbath
                                          (44724) l-sabti (of) the Sabbath
                                          (415415) l-sabti the Sabbath
                                          (716311) l-sabti the (matter of) Sabbath
                                          (716316) sabtihim (of) their Sabbath
                                          (716320) yasbitna they had Sabbath
                                          (161243) l-sabtu the Sabbath

                                          No rather I advise you to read the Quran (specifically the above shown Surahs for clarification on the matter) to grasp the context of this topic, it's a Guidance and a Light, sent by God!

                                          This is not off-topic because those who edited the bible have fabricated sabbath as a law imposed on all believers, hence they well fit your list of authentic writers that teach false narrations and add to it all the other fabrications made against the prophets

                                          1)Ibrahim the forbearing righteous man supposedly letting Sarah kick his son and the mother of his child out into the wilderness because of simple jealousy
                                          2)Lut supposedly getting drunk and sleeping with his daughters
                                          3)Yaqub supposedly "stealing" the "blessing" of his brother
                                          4)Aaron/Harun supposedly being responsible for building the golden calf for the israelites and allowing them to transgress
                                          5)Moses/Musa supposedly claiming he was the one who provided them with water from the splitting rock
                                          6)Mary/Maryam supposedly having a husband Joseph
                                          7)Jesus/Isa supposedly having a close relationship with a prostitute (God says every prophet had wife and children read Quran friends, meaning this is a defamation of Isa's wife and family)
                                          Isa being killed and crucified by his enemies( Quran is clear that this is not so, yet some people sport the cross even in their profile icons smh)
                                          9)Isa dying for humanity's sin (Quran no bearer of burdens can carry the burden of another! Are you deaf?? blind? dumb?)
                                          10)Isa being the son of God (he never claimed so himself)
                                          11) Isa being God (he was asked several times and always denied such accusations)
                                          12)Hadith saying Muhammad married Aisha when she was very young
                                          13) Muhammad split the moon with his index finger
                                          14)Muhammad telling people to drink camel urine

                                          What is the difference between these false narrations O Adam?

                                          There is no difference! It is that you are merely an undercover "Christian" and hate to have to accept these fabrications and false narrations because it would cause the crumbling of the corruption in the books you think you are guided from, when instead you have Al-Quran which is full detailed.

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