Greeting with Salam vs standard of rejecters
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Peace and be healthy are not much different as greetings. I will not argue again about Salam and what it means, but h?lsningar is a fine way of greeting someone. Peace to you is fine too although your typical Swede will think you are abnormal (not according to the contemporary norm). Heil used to be okay prior to WW2 and Hej is likely a distortion of Heil.
But of course people do not know why they say it except to be polite.
Be well
Amenuel -
Fridens and greetings of peace!
Let me share my sentiments on the topicWhy would 'salam' be "the best" greeting? Because it is an arabic word and associated with Islam?
What does "best" mean here? That it has magic powers, or that it comes from a certain language..??
Wouldn't the "best" greeting always be one that is polite and suitable to the occasion and place?You answered it yourself. Only priests use it nowadays. Therefore, it is not a greeting that is used among people.
So, you are basically greeting people with a word that they never hear being used as a greeting. Of course that would be perceived as odd, hence your lack of response from potential employers. It's almost like walking around in town in viking garment. It would be odd.Language is for communication. We don't use words in an attempt to get credit and points from God because of our pious word choice. We must communicate, and not throw confusing utterances onto people. We use language for the sake of establishing communication and a relationship... so our language needs to be tailored for the receiver, and not for our own personal/individual/private hobbies and interests. Reach out. Don't build walls of confusion and misunderstanding.
Cheers
Salam,
I didn't solely mean the Arabic "Salam", I meant in any language. Salam, Peace, Frid, whatever language I think it's the best greeting (first greeting).
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"Selam" is not greeting. You should greet people with same or better then their greeting.
And "selam" doesn't mean "peace".Silam is a greeting, if you speak Arabic. It means "be (you) healthy" and al-silam aelaikam means "may you be healthy" or perhaps more accurately "healthiness to you", which is similar to for example h?lsningar in Swedish also wishing someone to be of good health. You can see different communities shared the same message in their greeting despite the languages differentiating them. Hail is an archaic way for the same in English unfortunately getting the death blow because Adolf Hitler wished people to say "Heil Hitler" making it inappropriate to use the greeting post 1939 because it is associated with him despite the noble meaning of hail. People will either think you are nuts, coming from a remote location or a sympathizer with the Modern Nazi's if you use it. It is as dead as to say you are Muslim, both abused.
You are correct, Silam does not mean peace but the related sound, healthy, pristine. It is the closely related root Silaw which means peace.
Be well
Amenuel -
Fridens and greetings of peace! )
Let me share my sentiments on the topicWhy would 'salam' be "the best" greeting? Because it is an arabic word and associated with Islam?
What does "best" mean here? That it has magic powers, or that it comes from a certain language..??
Wouldn't the "best" greeting always be one that is polite and suitable to the occasion and place?You answered it yourself. Only priests use it nowadays. Therefore, it is not a greeting that is used among people.
So, you are basically greeting people with a word that they never hear being used as a greeting. Of course that would be perceived as odd, hence your lack of response from potential employers. It's almost like walking around in town in viking garment. It would be odd.Language is for communication. We don't use words in an attempt to get credit and points from God because of our pious word choice. We must communicate, and not throw confusing utterances onto people. We use language for the sake of establishing communication and a relationship... so our language needs to be tailored for the receiver, and not for our own personal/individual/private hobbies and interests. Reach out. Don't build walls of confusion and misunderstanding.
Cheers
"Hej" is a perverted form quite equivalent to the Semitic Salam. It did originally sound hail but the "L" has become a silent letter which you do not spell put. Hi is its English equivalent. This is how common man (the commoner) twisted it colloquially.
Hej or Hi may have became lazy perversions prior to hail's death blow through Hitler's use of it.
But it means "hel" with an address emphasis and that is the same root used to say the English health and Swedish h?lsa. Be whole or var hel is the primitive meaning, so now understand the meaning of "var h?lsad".
Be well
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So does it mean "be at peace"?
What?
Silah means be at peace
Silam means be at health or be sound as some say. The opposite is being insane or diseased, and then one is not at peace with themselves. Insanity is bound to the spirit while disease is link to bodily malfunctioning, however insanity is also a sign of a weak or vulnerable spirit when the body is damaged or attacked by an external jinn (body), i.e. some substance driving them mad.
Both are highly interrelated. Silam is a linguistic construct of the more primitive Siin-Lam-Waw root, you could say it carries a suffix altering its meaning slightly.
It might appear that both words mean exactly the same, but this is not true. There is a difference.
This is lost knowledge I have been digging into. A reason is because interpreters of the language in medieval times were not native with it but pretended they had competence to be the scholars to derive the proper meanings. This is why they needed scholars in the first place.
Just like Aramaic Arabic is not one dialect but the language differed around the ancient Middle East and corrupt leaders abused the language and dogmatically shaped it. The language was spread with different meanings in different dialects even though Arabic words just as Aramaic only have single general meaning.
Unfortunately I did not live this life 1000-2000 years ago so I cannot eye-witness this happening.
The best explanation I have is that Quran was rediscovered and interpreted by people foreign to the language in which it was written. I am absolutely sure they did not know the language well, in fact they were very lousy at it and made a pathetic subversion of it and inserted something entirely different upon an innocent discourse. They knew it so badly that instead of even trying to get it remotely right they simply went imaginative and fantasized something which "would be likely" based on how it sounded and was written, and their bias and religious interests which they were absolutely convicted about and which doctrine you find when you read their interpretation.
Their best comparison would be the Pharisee clergymen in the Biblical Gospels. I would not be surprised if it was their descendants who were tampering with it.
Be well
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Nothing wrong with using 'Salam' although I don't use it always. I prefer 'Hej' or it all depends on the language used. The only times I'd use 'Salam' is when I talk to Arabic speakers in Arabic. But are you sure your employers don't think you're saying Salami? lol
And Salam does not mean "peace" but it is a word meaning "may one be healthy" (sound). It means identically the same as Hail.
An alternative with connotation on peace is Siin-Lam-Waw. It is related to Salam but not really the same. This is what you can see David saying in the so-called psalms by expressing Selah.
Now balance, peace or harmony may be quite close to soundness, healthiness, and so this is reflected by Arabic, and other Semitic languages by the close relationship between the two words.
I'm no expert on Arabic but speaking the language fluently I'll say when most Arabic speakers say 'Salam' they mean peace so I don't think what you're saying is true.
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It'll be true only if lughat of Arabs is lisan of the Qur'an, but it's not.
So, no matter what any word is for Arabs, its meaning in the Qur'an can be (is mostly) different.Maybe if we could hear resulallah a.s. ...
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Is everything okay in your life?
Yes, Elhamdulillah. How's your life, brother?
I wanted to say (and you probably understood) that it's not important how Arabs render any word from the Qur'an, since its lisan is not same as their lughat. It was said that it's as resulullah's (sawa) lisan, so I thought it would be helpful if we can hear him.
Btw, I spent hours reading mmkhan's posts about resulullah (sawa) and I'm tired, but it's 2am here. I'll try not to read here, but new posts, because I got an idea (<>theory) that "free masons" and "free minds" are not much different.
I seek a refuge with Allah from sheytan, expelled.
Anyways, selam is not a greeting.
There're some people who will enter Jennet and maybe some of them don't like "birds' meat"... what will they do? Will they be forced to eat it? -
Peace Aladin.
What does ( sawa)you put after rasulullah mean?
Just curious?
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Allah, stay close to him and his family.
But maybe you thought it contains "we sellim". It can.
A cow was "musellemat" in 271, but there's a lot of misunderstanding with that cow.
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Peace Aladin.
Thank you for your response.When we mention people who are no longer alive and we say " Peace be upon them" it may make sense. Anything else may not make sense at all.
For example why restrict the closeness of Allah to the family only? What about if some members of the family were not true believers? And what about all the true believers that devoted their life to GOD during the rasul life ,before that and beyond that?
I have always wondered why we keep repeating words that our parents/generations before us said without checking if the words really make sense?
I keep asking here and elsewhere why do Muslims keep saying when to rasul is mentioned " Salla Allahu Alaihi wa ala Aalihi...etc" I have not to date received a logical answer that makes sense!
GOD bless you brother.
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You're welcome, my brother.
Family here means "those who live(d) with him", as household (if I found good word in English).
You opened so many questions with your questions and please don't get me wrong.
- as I said before "selam is not peace and it's not a greeting", but if anybody wanna greet others with "peace" they can and I don't find anything bad in that
- "closeness" is not for him sawa and his family only, it's can be for ALL of us also 3341-43
- mu'minoon are not believers, there's no such a thing as "religion" or "belief" in words from this root
- maybe you thought about "qalb" as belief?
- I checked, these words make sense for me, this is why I am repeating them; repeating some words is good and useful
- read 33rd surah, maybe it can give you more answers and less questions then me.
I hope Allah swt will help you, and all of us. Amin.
Selamun 'ala 'ibadis-saliheen.
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You're welcome, my brother.
Family here means "those who live(d) with him", as household (if I found good word in English).
You opened so many questions with your questions and please don't get me wrong.
- as I said before "selam is not peace and it's not a greeting", but if anybody wanna greet others with "peace" they can and I don't find anything bad in that
- "closeness" is not for him sawa and his family only, it's can be for ALL of us also 3341-43
- mu'minoon are not believers, there's no such a thing as "religion" or "belief" in words from this root
- maybe you thought about "qalb" as belief?
- I checked, these words make sense for me, this is why I am repeating them; repeating some words is good and useful
- read 33rd surah, maybe it can give you more answers and less questions then me.
I hope Allah swt will help you, and all of us. Amin.
Selamun 'ala 'ibadis-saliheen.
Salam
What is a muhminoon then?
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Peace Aladin.
You say ,quote
6) read 33rd surah, maybe it can give you more answers and less questions then me.I read surah 33 many times, there is no verse/s that instruct us to say anything when the rasul is mentioned. If you disagree please state which verse/s do this?
Muslims who idolise the prophet have sited 3321 and 3356 and claim we should say such and such!!!!
When GOD addresses the Nabi in Qoran it is always when the Nabi was alive. What was said about the rasul in 3321 was also said about Abraham and the devoted believers everywhere throughout the generations.
As for 3356 GOD is simply saying He supported the prophet along with the angels and is asking the believers of that time to support and help him during his life. There is nothing mentioned anywhere in surah 33 that asks us to parrot meaningless words when the Nabi has gone!!!
My simple question to those who claim GOD is asking us to say "Salla Allahu Alaihi wa sallam" or any other nonsense is how does GOD and His angels "Yusalluna alla Nabi"? Does GOD and His angels parrot these words continuously?
However people are free to parrot any nonsense they choose ,even if it makes no sense at all!!!
GOD bless you.
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good logic, we should know that none of them is dead, they are all alive.
HP_TECH, iman and islam are about confirmation by words and deeds.
May we live and die as Muslims only.
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Aladin,so you agree there are no verse/s in Qoran that instruct us to say/parrot words when we mention the rasul?
Please bring any verse/s if you disagree.
That was my main point.
GOD bless you.
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It's not much important for you will I tell you that there's or is not any ayet about this or anything else. We should be able to recognize them personally and to accept them. After that we will be mu'minoon in them if we claim so.
So, it's important for you how you understand words from root in all ayets and if you are recognizing what you asked about. Then, it's important for you if you'll accept what you "saw" and if you'll claim so.
Shortcut for words I used is my wish and prayer that Allah swt stays close to Muhammed sawa and his pure family. I'm using it as a claim that I wanna be close to him, as mu'minoon were ordered to.
I don't see this as a physical closeness, it's "spiritual". In the case of iman (by tongue) it's in our words, and in the case of islam it's in our deeds.
So, I understood ayet 3356 as talking (claiming by words) about this closeness, because we were called by name "ya eyyuhe-l-ledhene amenoo". It stays there w/o "we 'amilu-s-salihat", so it's only about saying something. In case of Allah swt and melaiket it's not about iman (saying, claiming) only.
Qur'an is useless for us unless we think about it, with His Help.
God bless you too, brother.Allah swt knows best
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Former Prophets may be alive, but is it sane to be compelled to utter a greeting phrase each time you merely mention their names?
It sounds like a typical braindead religious ritual.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel