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Greeting with Salam vs standard of rejecters

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    Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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    MoF, if you wanna be mu'min you have to use your words and you have to repeat them w/o any averse.
    Please check all ayets when we were told (not) to do something, by calling us "el-ledheene amenoo". It's always about claims and in case that "we 'amiloo-s-salihat" is added it's about our actions too.
    There is no averse in deen.

    Allah swt knows best

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      Bender
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      Shortcut for words I used is my wish and prayer that Allah swt stays close to Muhammed sawa and his pure family.

      I would appreciate it if you also did the same whenever you mention Bender sawa yes

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        Man_of_Faith
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        MoF, if you wanna be mu'min you have to use your words and you have to repeat them w/o any averse.
        Please check all ayets when we were told (not) to do something, by calling us "el-ledheene amenoo". It's always about claims and in case that "we 'amiloo-s-salihat" is added it's about our actions too.
        There is no averse in deen.

        Allah swt knows best

        Use what words and what is the argument?

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          Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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          I'm not discussing, I'm giving you an advice. Mu'min is in our language, talking and we have to learn what, when, where, why... to say.

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            HP_TECH
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            good logic, we should know that none of them is dead, they are all alive.

            HP_TECH, iman and islam are about confirmation by words and deeds.

            May we live and die as Muslims only.

            I don't feel like you answered my question brother
            If muhminoon does not mean believer according to you, then what does muhminoon mean?
            I am not an Arabic speaker so I am interested in what your opinion is.

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              Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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              I'm not an Arabic speaker either, but there's no connection.

              Iman is about expressing our belief (qalb) by words and islam is expressing our belief (qalb) with deeds.
              So, mu'min is about claiming what is our belief (qalb) with haqq (reality). If a claim is with batil (illusion) and a person knows about, that person is munafiq and if it's different then our deeds that person still can be a Muslim, but jahil for many things.

              If we think about what we should claim then we will know what has to be in our qalb, if He wants so. If it's not there, something's wrong with it.

              For example, if my belief (qalb) is that Akhiret is haqq (reality) and I'm not talking about it and for (for example, to teach others what I know) it, I'm not mu'min.
              If I'm talking about it I can be mu'min.

              If somebody's talking about that Akhiret is haqq (reality) but it's not in their belief (qalb) and they know about that, that person is munafiq.
              If somebody's talking about that Akhiret is haqq (reality) but their deeds are showing opposite or different, but that person didn't understand it, they still can be Muslims if their deeds reflect haqq (reality).

              Qalb (belief) is something which can change, but we should seek what is making us to express its reality (haqq) or illusion (batil).
              Amongs these things are weswesa from our nefs, from el-jinnet and en-nas, Sheytan's l.a. influence (fear is most common), forgetting haqq (reality), emotions (fu'ad) as sadness, fear again in different forms, etc. Crying makes most of these negative influences to disappear and is helping in expressing only reality (haqq).

              Allah swt knows best.

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                HP_TECH
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                I'm not an Arabic speaker either, but there's no connection.

                Iman is about expressing our belief (qalb) by words and islam is expressing our belief (qalb) with deeds.
                So, mu'min is about claiming what is our belief (qalb) with haqq (reality). If a claim is with batil (illusion) and a person knows about, that person is munafiq and if it's different then our deeds that person still can be a Muslim, but jahil for many things.

                If we think about what we should claim then we will know what has to be in our qalb, if He wants so. If it's not there, something's wrong with it.

                For example, if my belief (qalb) is that Akhiret is haqq (reality) and I'm not talking about it and for (for example, to teach others what I know) it, I'm not mu'min.
                If I'm talking about it I can be mu'min.

                If somebody's talking about that Akhiret is haqq (reality) but it's not in their belief (qalb) and they know about that, that person is munafiq.
                If somebody's talking about that Akhiret is haqq (reality) but their deeds are showing opposite or different, but that person didn't understand it, they still can be Muslims if their deeds reflect haqq (reality).

                Qalb (belief) is something which can change, but we should seek what is making us to express its reality (haqq) or illusion (batil).
                Amongs these things are weswesa from our nefs, from el-jinnet and en-nas, Sheytan's l.a. influence (fear is most common), forgetting haqq (reality), emotions (fu'ad) as sadness, fear again in different forms, etc. Crying makes most of these negative influences to disappear and is helping in expressing only reality (haqq).

                Allah swt knows best.

                Thank you for your response!

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