Questions about the soul

NielsJacob

Peace Everyone.

I was having some thought about the soul.

We can read, that when
God created Adam He blew His spirit into him.
3872 "So when I have evolved him, and breathed into him from My Spirit, then you shall submit to him."

And about Jesus/Isa and Mary we read the same thing.

2191 The one who protected her chastity, so We blew into her from Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.

In the last case I see it as the breath is ment for Jesus, but it could be for both.

Anyway is this the formular for creating life/soul. That God is blewing from His spirit?

That led me with some questions?

Was this formular used only on Adam and Jesus, or are we all created the same way?
Is our life (or should we call it the soul), a part of God. If it comes directly from Him. Or is it because its just a breath a catalysator and not a part of the product? (Or is this only relevant in Jesus/Adams case?)
Do animal have a spirt? (breath of God)

I?m just using you people as a great oracle, hoping to get some answers.
With Respect

Thanks and God Bless

Jafar

By understanding of "Spirit" = "Life energy" / "Qi" / "Chi"/ "Kundalini" / "Aura" / "Force" then

Yes, all life form has spirit
Everything in all universes is a "part" of God.
The word "part" is not a good word, given it denotes 'spatial dimension' and 'space' itself is also a creation.
Living animal has spirit and so does (living) plant..

Timotheus

Peace

You shouldn't rely on other people, research for yourself,

God blew into us of his ruh or spirit/breath, Jesus was strengthened with the ruhi al-qudoos or pure/untainted spirit.

Read genesis, it's all in there, animals have the spirit of god in them too.

Peace

NielsJacob

Peace Jafar and thanks for answer.

Thats basiclly also my understanding. Just it opens up for new questions like
That is some kind of job for God if he have to blow into everybody. But offcouse its possible...

Another thing is that if everybody haveing a soul which God created. What happens then to that soul after death. We know that human have to face judgement, but what about all other souls?

NielsJacob

Peace Timotheus

Thanks for answer.

I read Genesis before and also look up the passage about God creating Adam.
Just I cant see or remember anything that should enlightened this question.
As far Im consurned I see more answers in Quran. Maybe you could please tell me which passages you are thinking about.

Man_of_Faith

Was this formular used only on Adam and Jesus, or are we all created the same way?

Yes, the two parts of us which are combined into our perceived reality. Our body, it is created by the power of the nur, and its characteristics are based on the biological parents and their genes. The body is separate from our spirit and the spirit which is our true person was created, and conceived if you so may say, by God. Your spirit is in the image of God albeit a blank "seedling" with the same potential as God although once you nurture your spirit you become one in the image, fulfilled and no longer a shattered part, and therefore you might understand the saying of Eysua (Jesus/Isa - Eysua is the proper pronunciation in Aramaic/Arabic) "I am in the Originator (Father) and the Originator (Father) is in me". Once integrated, you are an integral part, merged.

Is our life (or should we call it the soul), a part of God. If it comes directly from Him. Or is it because its just a breath a catalysator and not a part of the product? (Or is this only relevant in Jesus/Adams case?)

Yes and no, depends on in which condition. Our "seedling" is before it fulfills its own criteria of perfection shattered off from the Originator (God/Father), and this is why you can realize in life that you have no "superpowers" and are quite weak in your little body. Should the Originator "grant you entrance" and integrate you, you would be able to perform deeds like Eysua although it is obviously God's (what God is) that decides how implemented your powers are and whether you gain any ability at all before "detaching the spirit from the flesh" forever (i.e. dying and not returning in a body).

"God" is the "platform of life", the Developer (Rabb) and everything stems directly from "Him" and you are like an extension although developing independently (like a disconnected platform) using the innate functionality of your spirit (the fact you may have a free and very capable mind) and this is how you must prove yourself worthy by showing development over "time" (time is relative).

The illusion and contradiction in this world is our own bodies, they are while a part of God too not a "disconnected" being and made to corrupt us and lead us astray. They will make us feel without free-will and affect us by something we call the instinct and the ancient Semitic called Satan. The bodies are "automated" and follow a kind of "programming" which is very predictable and this is driven by God but in order to deceive us, or rather, it is in order to try us/test us if we may have a sharp mind and spirit. It might sound grotesque, but it is a little like an experiment and I have been notified by God that is like a "development ground" which is probably the best definition one could give it (alternatively "development environment&quot.

If you "rebel" against your own body (master yourself) you will notice a new realm of understanding and that you are thanks to the spirit strength able to go against the "driving" of the body's instinctive system and cease being a predictable beast, and you will easily notice whatever is a bodily ruling. Here are the main instincts part of the philosophy behind the "Ten Commandments" 1 Hierarchy (therefore prone to dualism which is God + Creation instead of Oneness), 2 Materialism, 3 Vanity, 4 Obsession/Absorption/Indulgence, 5 Selfishness (including about your own family/kin), 6 Violence, 7 Domination, 8 Greed, 9 Sex Drive, 10 Jealousy. This is basically listing everything the body is driving towards autonomously.

Do animal have a spirt? (breath of God)

No, they are not an independent soul/spirit. They are just like our bodies autonomous and part of something one may call "the world soul", everything is the driving of Satan. You cannot see an animal and consider it a person for it is not, but you can obviously see God if you like. Unless God puts a soul/nafs into an animal (as what happened to Homo sapiens) you cannot consider it a person, it will merely act as according to its "programmed" instinct.

And about Jesus/Isa and Mary we read the same thing.

2191 The one who protected her chastity, so We blew into her from Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.

In the last case I see it as the breath is ment for Jesus, but it could be for both.

Anyway is this the formular for creating life/soul. That God is blewing from His spirit?

First of all, the sectarian interpretation of Quran is full of poor renditions, but "blew into her from spirit" means she did despite not being impregnated become pregnant "by the holy spirit (holy spirit = the original image spirit of God which is pristine, flawless and which we are to "imitate&quot. It means Eysua had that in him while being the son of Miryem in the flesh (his worldly, physical being is strictly referred to as "Eysua ibn Miryem&quot. Jesus did not have an unfair advantage but had deserved his incarnation being a successful spirit/soul, and he kept being tested while being alive in that body. The (to most people here unreliable) Gospels refer to that he was being tested for many days (40 in ancient Semitic tradition means many just as seven means several, the numbers had that metaphorical language attributed to them and therefore it is wrong to always think of the numbers 40 and 7 as numbers and why many many old writings are improperly translated. For your information, 70 is a multitude (seven multiplied by ten, for those of you having read the Bible and seeing the number 70 occurring for example when Moses takes advisors up on the mountain meaning he took with him a multitude of people to witness).

You can see Jesus referring to "son of man" and "son of God" and despite that the passages are often translated quite poorly you see the reference he does to a person's bodily self and the higher spirit model and potential they were made in. Son is not necessarily biological in ancient Semitic linguistics but its descriptive meaning as a word is "be with integrity (of)", e.g. ibn Miryem = "is with integrity" Miryem. There can be a lot of different associations using son (ibn) or sons (ban as in bani Israel) and each is not necessarily biological such as the mysterious and cryptic term "Children of Israel". Actually, by the language itself, anyone behaving/acting (their integrity like) like Israel is by the spirit an ibn of Israel. But humans tend to be blinded by their physical realm that they reside in and miss that there is a realm beyond it and always interpret words with a concrete connotation rather than abstractly the way the Arabic language usually works. What is the "Children of Israel" anyway? God could raise "children of Israel" from some stones. The spirit of a person has no connection in the bloodline, there is no such connection, and lore from the past ought to testify to that when lots of descendants of the good prophets were actually pretty bad people and it often jumped several generations before there came any good person out of them. And all prophets were not always biologically related to each other even if clergymen wished to make it seem so for their flimsy bodily obsession and perception of bloodline. The psyche of a person is not determined by their biological source but this is determined by the strength of their spirit given one particular moment even though they inherit bodily traits from their parents and this verily imposes a test on them. Even if a person is born of their parents but their spirit is strong (or weak), the child does not necessarily behave like their parents but is follows the condition of his/her spirit. The weak and decayed spirit might become a criminal being deluded and corrupted even though his/her parents were good. The person's bloodline has absolutely nothing to do with the spirit, it is determined to be put in a certain body by God.

Qaf-Dal-Siin (as in Qadas) = to be pure, holy, spotless. qudusun - purity, sanctity, holiness. al quddus - the holy one, one above and opposite to all evil, replete with positive good. muqaddas - sacred. An earthen or wooden pot.

Note Holy is an English word derived from whole, it merely indicates that something is wholly. You may consider the word holy a perversion.

And, God can just will a person to be conceived in the body of a womb-man and the control over atoms will manipulate the flesh so that suddenly a baby is within. For that there is no need of any blowing or strange phenomena, it just takes the power of willing it to happen. It is like when Eysua had the power of the spirit at his disposal and walked around "miraculously" curing people from their illnesses and weaknesses such as blindness, he only needed to will it with his mind and everyone was rendered this and that. That was a demonstration for people what angelhood is like and the power of God. And God had let him carry this arsenal of abilities because God had trust in him and knew his capability and decided to make him the Messiah. He had been growing well, it was a "son" with whom He was very pleased. He managed his many days of testing exemplarily. He did not follow his instinct aka Satan, the Satans did not get to him and he had grown powerful enough to have a huge depth in his consciousness.

But Eysua is not the only one with whom God was pleased, they are several and Abraham (Ebrahem) is one and Moses (Musa) another. They were all considered children. The mistake of the Biblical translations is that it says "Jesus was the only begotten son", but this is grossly misinterpreted and what is implied is his link to the "holy spirit" and that he could control the environment the way he did. No one had been able to do it like that before and this is the meaning in the original Syriac Aramaic he spoke. He was "begotten/created/made appear" "with the integrity" of God, wielding powers of God, if you understand the connection now.

People "with whom God is pleased" may be blessed by this and that depending on the His ruling and either it might be to act as a hint or beacon to lesser conscious people or lead them astray because the ambiguous nature in a prophet's language may also be so confusing they make ignorant inferences, e.g. they may take a "ruling of God" simply literally without any due contemplation of why they should follow it and just mindlessly follow it and end up like most sectarians in the world, mindlessly upholding statutes they know exist because all has to do about obedience in their limited scope and zealous meaningless laws to test obedience only. Of course the directives of God are not meaningless but a fine remedy to their present situation in the grips of the bodily, their body and the world. Only the one who would care to analyze and study and reflect upon the commandments will understand them. Everything has a purpose, God has a purpose, you have a purpose. The purpose is development. And you cannot develop or are slowed to develop because there is an anti-development factor... your body, intentionally made to corrupt, to harden things, quite the challenge actually. Cease being limited by that and you can accelerate on your progression.

And God is neither good nor evil, this is a human invention of words and God is not emotional and does things because they are logical and rational. You cannot call something which does insert a person into this world a good person by the standard of human linguistics, intentionally tricking them they have identity with their body and live in an environment as if it was their natural habitat. God could guide people from the start, but only does so ambiguously and through people of their own (e.g. so-called prophets). Call it an intelligence test and test of your potential. Taking everything takes this much trickery, the development of man must be quite crucial to be employed in a challenging environment. It is an achievement and commendable to understand that.

You shouldn't rely on other people, research for yourself,

Yes and no. No if they are dead/lifeless. Yes if they are alive. It does not hurt to do your own research though, it should reveal similar to this.

Read genesis, it's all in there, animals have the spirit of god in them too.

Genesis says (in common translations) "Man was created in His image". The translation is not too shabby though but actually pretty accurate. The longer version is "Man was created to be in his image and is created with the potential to be" (like a seed which became a seedling and has to grow into completion).

Yes, all life form has spirit
Everything in all universes is a "part" of God.
The word "part" is not a good word, given it denotes 'spatial dimension' and 'space' itself is also a creation.
Living animal has spirit and so does (living) plant..
Yes, either dependently or independently.
Yes.
Perhaps integral phenomenon? Belonging? Share sounds like a separate entity while this is a total merging. One is One. "Piece of" perhaps? Perhaps I/We are allergic and it is okay with just saying "part of" (the Oneness).
Yes, they are part of the "world soul", the dependent form, just like our bodies with its innate driving.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Timotheus

Peace Timotheus

Thanks for answer.

I read Genesis before and also look up the passage about God creating Adam.
Just I cant see or remember anything that should enlightened this question.
As far Im consurned I see more answers in Quran. Maybe you could please tell me which passages you are thinking about.

peace,

both animals and man both have a living soul, according to genisis, it seems that we are simply distinguished in that we accepted the responsibility to establish justice on earth, and to be tested

NielsJacob

Hej Man of Faith

Thanks for your long answer.
Its seems to me that you also in this manner have already made your "research". But most of all I think you have the big picture made up allready. Or are you still working at it.
I think even you are working at it since you wrote that we all must develop in time.
Your understanding is beautiful and is like a new understanding/way of living. I see that you want to include everything in your understanding.
In some aspect I just think you are a little controversial. I think you know
Allow me to point something out that ain't that clear for me.

First you say that human is the only with soul. But later you agree with Jafar about that life in general have a soul. I think he mean everyone have their uniq one, but you see it as a world soul.
I think that we a mixing the things together and dosn?t reach anywhere by doing so.
If we see a soul as the thing God blow into us to get life. And also you see as the thing that separate us from our physical bodies. I think you call it instinct. Then I cant see it fits with animal having it.
But also you see the animal driven by instinct.
Anyway I like the idea of a world soul, (even I think the word soul maybe is wrong). Since we can read in Quran that all creatures bow down for God.
I dont know if that made sence. Just I think you aint that clear about the animals soul...

I like the way you say about Jesus see the soul as being a part of the Father..
Just I was wondering that you say that God aint good, when that Isa apparently claiming in the Gospels.
That leads me to the question How do you look at the Gospels. Do you only take some from it (the one that fits your own view )

You are elobating about the creating of the soul. And see it not from the parents but its own uniq origian.
Here I have a my own understang I cant confirm by any source other than my own experince (I m a father ) that the soul is catch in the moment of the conception. That situation can in that moment be very special and you can sense the spirit you are catching.
I see in my children's souls that very feeling and greatness concentrated in their soul what happend that very moment they were created.
But thats theori have some lacks when we know that people can be made in the lab..
I dont know, but maybe I have that theory from the books of Castanada (have you read them?). I cant remember now.
It always make me think about how the souls of handicap people was "caught" and I would like to make a examination of this theori to confirm or deny it

In some way this maybe fit into your big picture...
I see that you also believe in reincarnation. In some way thats also my view. Just I cant find really proof for that In Quran.

God Bless

Niels

Jafar

Another thing is that if everybody haveing a soul which God created. What happens then to that soul after death. We know that human have to face judgement, but what about all other souls?

A good video discussing the question of "What are you?"
https//youtu.be/JQVmkDUkZT4

-Your body is a country with millions of living things inside.. which one are 'you'?
-The maximum age of any cell within your body is 7 years, none of them will stay 'alive' if your age has reached more than 7 years old. As such it raise the question of "Where does memory / information being stored"? Certainly it's not within any of your brain cells.. or in any other cells..

What happens to 'soul' after death.. one thing for sure it seems to 'disappear' from this universe..
When a bacteria died within your body, it's soul disappear, but 'you' still seem to be here..
When 'you' died.. your soul disappear, yet the soul of some living being inside your body will still be here..

Human soul facing 'judgement', I honestly doubt the reality of 'judgement day' as it was envisioned by Egyptian, Persian, Christianity and Islam religion... I mean a "God" (or Jesus or Ra or Osiris) sitting on a throne asking the soul why you did this and why you did that.. and then both his good and bad deed are being 'weighted'.. Eternal punishment then awaited those whose bad deed are heavier than the good deed.

An illustration taken from Egyptian holy book of the dead.. the oldest surviving manuscript describing the 'event'..
https//photos.travelblog.org/Photos/65344/271592/t/2263513-Judgement-Day-0.jpg

Given to the fact that 90% of the 'deed' or 'decision' of any soul will be dependent and influenced by his / her life context... and the true God who knows everything will know for sure what the soul decision / deed will be even before he / she was being assumed to a body living at specific era, at specific location within specific circumstances. Because everything happened in accordance to His plan.

Man_of_Faith

Cannot reply in full now, but I am not contradicting myself about the soul and I think you misinterpreted my words.

Animals do not have an independent soul but share a "world soul" just as the autonomous human body and its system follows the same. An animal is therefore not a person but so to say part of a collective run by God.

God "put his spirit image" into man and that is what makes us i to what we are. This is what sectarians translate as "blew us into of His spirit". We are nafs's and only we can be such. Nas and nafs are two very related Arabic words.

What I say does not match with the sectarian interpretation of Quran. There is no reason to try. If it does this is a mere coincidence.

I suppose I might be misunderstood about what I wrote saying God is not good nor evil. This is more esoteric than I first thought since good can be different in meaning and can be subjective. Also Eysua's good needs a proper perspective. I gave examples how God is not all out good because God subjects mankind to an enormously deceptive trial. This is in relationship to the human perception of goodness. But God is also not evil. It is not possible to use any category.

I do not cherry pick elements from the Biblical Gospels, but I am aware it has interpretation errors too, just as Quran. The Gospel's interpretation is not as perverted as Quran though somehow. It is as if the Semitic clergymen were not able to hold their grip on the faith due to it being spread into ancient Greek. So therefore you have the Greek writings testifying to something more correct than the Semitic sects (modern) Judaism and Islam (Judaism 2.0).

Eysua did also challenge the Jewish fabricated religion a couple of millennia ago, but he was not able to eradicate their false doctrine obviously and much like in Star Wars there could be a book named "The Clergymen Strikes Back" with sectarian Islam and their way of understanding Quran. The clergymen saw that the blasphemous offshoots resulting after the coming of Eysua had to be stopped and they had gotten their hands on a book called Quran. They inserted their doctrine into it and used that to rally crowds of people to strike back at the religious elite in Shush and Persia who stood for the faith in the Middle East at that time. Opposite of traditional belief, the clergymen who were rebels did undermine the Persian empire under several years and got to find the trust of many people and so the takeover of Persian was quite peaceful although obviously some fighting occurred locally. But the Persian empire as a faction could barely put up any resistance falling apart from within.

So Islam is a "revenge of the clergymen". It turned lots of people refusing the sect on the run or killed them. This is a reason many East Asian faiths have some fragments of Abrahamic faiths in them. Many Persians fled East, they could for obvious reasons not flee West towards the Romans. There is proof available that many Persians emigrated East, you have religious subgroups remaining today in India. I have studied a little about them and they have an intriguing faith system reminding of ancient Judaism, not modern Judaism, a little bit like contemporary people of Eysua.

Zoroastrianism as we now today particularly in Iran is only a subgroup of the original faith. Their practices are almost identical to the oldest parts of the Old Testament, as interpreted. I have studied the similarity and compared it to Persian ancient remains while in the country and by reading historical sources. It is fascinating the people in Persia in ancient times practiced exactly the same thing as in the Old Testament. This has contributed to my confidence it is Persians depicted in the Old Testament. And there were contending religious groups. The religious elite was opposed to the fire altars but let them continue for basically the whole time. It is depicted in the Bible. The fire altars were positioned high up in hillsides of mountains and I have visited a few.

It was also quite obvious Persians were quite involved since one of their King of Kings (Shahansha) came to the rescue of the Babylonian prisoners who were Jewish. He helped them construct a new temple as well which is quite unlikely unless he believed in their faith wholeheartedly. The construction of such temple would have cost tremendous amounts of resources and labor at that time and a king would not have done it just like that.

One thing I have been doubtful about is the location of Jerusalem. I have not been able to prove it is not where it is supposed to have been, but there were magnificent enormous ruins of temples within the former Persian empire while in Israel there are none such ruins (although Israel was part of the Persian empire for most of its era).

For some reason there is the ruins of a building named after David in the Fars province of Iran high in the mountains close to Persepolis.

David had his own city while Solomon chose to create another.

I gave sought to be able to bind and prove any connection between ancient Persian Kings and Biblical lore. I am beyond certain that it is Persia the Old Testament speaks about but I cannot connect them due to language barriers. Also there was not always one uniting King and kingdom who reestablished the failing empire. It is like a puzzle.

The Old Testament also seems to speak of Persians as a distinct group besides Hebrews, yet they practice the exact same religion.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

NielsJacob

Peace Jafar

A good video discussing the question of "What are you?"
https//youtu.be/JQVmkDUkZT4

-Your body is a country with millions of living things inside.. which one are 'you'?
-The maximum age of any cell within your body is 7 years, none of them will stay 'alive' if your age has reached more than 7 years old. As such it raise the question of "Where does memory / information being stored"? Certainly it's not within any of your brain cells.. or in any other cells..

The video says only that most of the cell will be replaced.
I have heard the theory before. But I think its just a myth.
I think the braincell last all life and also i think if all was replaced it wouldnt be able to make tatoo.

Of course you have the right not to believe in judgment day. Gospel and quran just tell something else. And that someone believed in it before could imo just a confirmation.

Me myself dont believe in any prediction. Everybody has a free will that cant be predicted I think.
So I cant see the conclusion you make that God should judge someone he already directed.
Dont you believe in justice after all. Is everything just without any concequence.

God Bless

Jafar

Me myself dont believe in any prediction. Everybody has a free will that cant be predicted I think.

Dig further on such issue... and you shall realize that human 'will' is very easy to manipulate.. even by another human.. let alone by Him who control all of the universes...
There is no such thing that is "Unknown" or not under the control of the true God..

Pagan think otherwise though.. their gods has enemies, there are things which is not within the control of a god (because it is being controlled by another god) and sometimes the human can launch rebellion against a god or a group of gods..

So I cant see the conclusion you make that God should judge someone he already directed.
Dont you believe in justice after all. Is everything just without any concequence.

Oh there is indeed consequences.... action->reaction
As such the #1 tenet is do to others what you like others do unto you..
Every second is a 'judgement day'...

Man_of_Faith

Can you give an example of how the will is easily manipulated, Jafar.

The one who gets rid of bodily affection is not a predictable person. But you must not confuse predictability with "the most logical action to perform". The person who parts from the bodily for the spirit is an independent one and they are in control of what they face and their reaction is decided by their person alone.

It is the body which makes us into predictable persons because they are "programmed" to make us act in certain ways much like animals. Many of our actions become compulsory when we cannot resist it and you could take the sex drive as an example, which many people have trouble controlling in the world.

Those instincts also may control how we think and behave around people. In that regard we may be slaves. But being in control, it is possible to be in opposition to the body's desires.

And once you start to assume control of yourself you realize in how primitive a world you reside, with the dead burying their dead as a certain Mr. Eysua said most sarcastically. That day you feel like the most lonely person in the world being in an environment with a lot of victims. And by that moment you realize you got to do something and spread some light in the darkness. If you do not bring light people err around blind in the darkness chasing their meaningless lives that anyway end in some years.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Jafar

Can you give an example of how the will is easily manipulated, Jafar.

Hint
Propaganda, Advertising
One reside in the domain of politics/religion the other in business.

Study them plus Human / Social Psychology.. and you will understand on how easy it is to manipulate the will of human.

And I think I have posted a paper on this forum before on experiment about Human Internal Conscience vs External Authority where External Authority win 98% of the time to drive the will of a group of human... although it goes against human internal conscience..

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Again I don't want to spread any 'dogmatic' idea..(thus I will then creating yet another religion)
Feel free to research it yourselves and make your own conclusion..

NielsJacob

Peace Jafar

I agrre with you that the will is easily manipulated. But that just shows that its there, and what happend isnt predicted by anyone.

The experiment you refere to shows that we are under great influence of authority. But aint that just why God also using his authority to send us some instructions.
We are after all interacting with our surroundings. A lot of our behavior are affected by social control. But again we have our free will.Total free will wouldnt create any civilisation Im sure.

Man_of_Faith

Hint
Propaganda, Advertising
One reside in the domain of politics/religion the other in business.

Study them plus Human / Social Psychology.. and you will understand on how easy it is to manipulate the will of human.

And I think I have posted a paper on this forum before on experiment about Human Internal Conscience vs External Authority where External Authority win 98% of the time to drive the will of a group of human... although it goes against human internal conscience..

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Again I don't want to spread any 'dogmatic' idea..(thus I will then creating yet another religion)
Feel free to research it yourselves and make your own conclusion..

That does not work on a person who is not affected by the instinct. You cannot manipulate the will of a controlled being. It is the instinct which makes people weakening in their so-called 'free will'.

Psychology and sociology is good at explaining behavior in instinctive beings who give in to their bodily self, but it can never explain a person who broke free of its shackles.

I primarily use the science of psychology to better understand people. And I understood why I was so alienated in life because I was born with a strong spirit.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Man_of_Faith

Peace Jafar

I agrre with you that the will is easily manipulated. But that just shows that its there, and what happend isnt predicted by anyone.

The experiment you refere to shows that we are under great influence of authority. But aint that just why God also using his authority to send us some instructions.
We are after all interacting with our surroundings. A lot of our behavior are affected by social control. But again we have our free will.Total free will wouldnt create any civilisation Im sure.

I disagree with Jafar. While his argument is true for a person who is a Homo sapiens in being (son of Man), it is not applicable on a person who developed their spirit very much and refuse to listen to the bodily.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

I disagree with you, MoF, even I enjoyed reading your post about language in salat<>education process.
We don't have the knowledge if any of us is son of (hu)man (and human woman), because there're sons of el-jinnet and sons of el-jinnet and en-nas mixed.

While I was awaking I saw a word "tesawwuf" and discovered something impressive about it.
We're (humans) forgetting that we're not alone on the plane (<> planet) Earth.

Man_of_Faith

Feel free to disagree with me.

Each of us is both halves, son of God and son of Man. But son of God is some part of you to develop, work on. It starts as an undeveloped seed and is placed in a challenging environment which is your very body.

There one must separate the spirit from the bodily.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

A_Submitter

Feel free to disagree with me.

Each of us is both halves, son of God and son of Man. But son of God is some part of you to develop, work on. It starts as an undeveloped seed and is placed in a challenging environment which is your very body.

There one must separate the spirit from the bodily.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

We are servants of God...And how can women be "son of God". I disagree with this.

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The Jews said ?Ezra is the son of God,? and the Nazarenes said
?The Messiah is the son of God.? Such is their utterances with
their mouths, they imitate the sayings of those who rejected
before them. God will fight them. They are deluded from the
truth!

Ezra and Jesus were humans too.

Salam