The Qur'an is corrupted in translation and text is alter how can it be trusted?
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how u know millions of those who recite quran
all history is rewrite by illuminati get it huh
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illuminati made jew and christianand fake muslim in old world order
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u think illuminati fake i will Smile
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good logic are u worship to god? and how u worship hahahahahahahahahahahahahahha wait LOYALTY TO GOD lie i think u loyalty to illuminati
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all my life i dream see future all my fucking life. 1st da vinci code then is hearing voices send me future i dont lie i dont bullshit my friend black know me say u right about black cube pray whatever
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hahah i have deen how i have religious if i dont pray or love fear to god and faith and belief hahahahahahahha sure im bad cos voices made me happen to be bad they is smart then u think
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why call me pity anmals cannot write in forum from huruf huh
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im easy get angry
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scarface,me no illuminati,me no mafia,me no angry,me no swear,me happy.
Oh and me good logic.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
before i hearing voices i alway nice to my freind now im fuck up to allah coz voices put my brain like black magic
what the fuck i kew all People hide from me dat why im piss off -
good for u good logic, hard to not angry, me happy about allah
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Abdun Nur i been read http//servantofthelight.com 2011 or something it religious, u religious huh
everone have own deen i know
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Scarface is expressing the religious mind, which is always founded on gibberish, nonsense and stupidity. A man with no self respect clearly.
Please demonstrate to us what a mind should be founded on then?
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call me X coz Malcolm X
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A mind should be founded on reason man of faith.
I asked the question why do you trust the Qur?an because if it is now corrupted? I asked because I believe it is of value only if understood in its original form.
This being the case then the focus would be to determine, at all costs, the original message from those of the past, if you believe this message is of value, and i think it's of great value if objectively translated free of personal bias, I know you, man of faith, you're working on a translation, however I have seen your translation and it is not translated impartially, it is nonobjective. You're investing you own beliefs and prejudices into your efforts.
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Confusing an Explanation with an Excuse Wakas, that is called the fallacy of rationalization, you seem to admit it's both corrupted in translation and differs from the original, but present excuses,
What you claim as "excuses" I call explaining the reality of the situation. Please cite one statement I made that is factually incorrect.
I never once talked about "translation", nor state it differs from the original. Your pseudo-intellectual reply fails to grasp what I even said. Strawman fallacy anyone?
anyway the reality is the original understanding is very hard to unearth and so the guide presently is lost, excusing that does not alter or help that reality,
very hard to unearth = lost ?
Fallacy https//yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity
Think of Quran like buried treasure, heaped upon it are piles upon piles of dirt/obfuscation (traditional hadith laden exegesis, countless scholars, traditions, sectarianism, politics etc) and those in the Quran based islam movement have picked up the shovels and started digging. Well, not all of us, for some like you, looks like you've given up digging.
until the guide translates into a guide to those systems it will remain lost.
In other words guide is lost until it conforms to AN's views/assumptions. Your illogical reasoning is plain for all to see
https//yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question
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No, the original message is not related to anything I write to make it a correct translation, my point remains translating the book free of bias is the issue, and if you take your own existing beliefs into it then you would not be translating it, you would be again corrupting it, it would need to be translated from a perspective of objective seperation.
No need to bring me into it personally Wakas, I am only explaining what would have to be the attitude of the translator, they would have to accept what it said even if it refuted what they held as a belief.
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True objectivity is almost possible, and even if it was, I dont see how its possibly to verify. Thus, if you are saying any subjectivity in translation means it (the translation) is "corrupted", then I agree. One could say that when interpreting any writing. Every time a person reads text they are interpreting in their own head. One interprets with their mind, their reasoning, their education, their experience, their emotions, their bias etc so everyone will interpret differently to a degree, so everyone will "corrupt" a text to a degree.
Nothing ground breaking in realising that. The more interesting question is, does the Quran account for that?
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So, you mighty one, are forbidding God to speak through a book? Why such hte for books. If He can guide us through many other means and reveal to us as He pleases, why are you forbiddng Him to speak through a book?
Forbidding?? rotfl rotfl
Who or What in any universes can forbid God?
I was highlighting a view of certain human who idolizing a book (or books) as if it was God.. And they themselves claimed to be a group of human who are 'anti idolatry'...
Actually the more interesting topic to discuss is the WHY question..
WHY human throughout the history claimed that his / her / their book was written by God and the ONLY book that was written by God (Thus rendering obsolete the other books which are also claimed to be written by God).
The answer is actually related to ............ politics and power...
http//i28.tinypic.com/nbx8pv.png
Among the earliest inscription (claimed to be) written by God(s).
Illustration on top of Hammurabi Codex, King Hammurabi (standing on the left) receiving the inscription / revelation from Marduk. The codex was (claimed to be) written by God (Marduk, depicted sitting on the right) on 1800 BC. Thus anyone who dare to disbelieve in the content shall face the wrath of the All Mighty Marduk.What a striking parallel to Moses receiving tablet of law written by YHVH, invented many centuries later..
This is the foundation that start it all.... the success of Hammurabi and thriving Babylonian civilization inspire countless others neighboring societies to invent their own "Books / Inscription written by God"..
And also explain, why "God's books and inscription" only appears around middle east and nowhere else..
