Sura Al Falaq
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Surah 1131
I seek protection from any authoritative mind controlling concept that brings calamity. After using your rationale express,
Surah 1132
It has never been consistent with natural disposition to be among wrongdoers, unjust, corrupt and wicked.
Surah 1133
Observe carefully, as darkness from following of wrongdoers, unjust, corrupt and wicked sets upon people.
Surah 1134
Then the enchanters from following of wrongdoers, unjust, corrupt and wicked will keep putting complicating twist into it.
Surah 1135
Observe carefully, it is envied to be following wrongdoers, unjust, corrupt and wicked as envious.
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You are posting again without evidence/references for your translation. Since it differs wildly from others, evidence is required. Please see the forum rules.
Dear Wakas I am providing evidence when asked. Problem is not providing the evidence on my part. It is inability or lack of interest in evaluating the evidence presented. How good is any evidence to anyone when it is rejected outright due to ignorance? Since you are asking please ask frankly which verse or word you need evidence for. I shall be more than happy to provide. Please see evidence provided in translation of Sura Al Fathia. Please evaluate that evidence at its linguistic merits and discuss but not based upon held beliefs.
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Dear Wakas I am providing evidence when asked. Problem is not providing the evidence on my part. It is inability or lack of interest in evaluating the evidence presented. How good is any evidence to anyone when it is rejected outright due to ignorance? Since you are asking please ask frankly which verse or word you need evidence for. I shall be more than happy to provide. Please see evidence provided in translation of Sura Al Fathia. Please evaluate that evidence at its linguistic merits and discuss but not based upon held beliefs.
Surah 1132
It has never been consistent with natural disposition to be among wrongdoers, unjust, corrupt and wicked.
Do you agree it is a prepositional phrase coupled with possessive phrase? If so, then you will agree a prep. phrase relates to some other element in the text. Please relate it with some element.
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Surah 1132
It has never been consistent with natural disposition to be among wrongdoers, unjust, corrupt and wicked.Do you agree it is a prepositional phrase coupled with possessive phrase? If so, then you will agree a prep. phrase relates to some other element in the text. Please relate it with some element.
No I don't. Following are the reasons for it.
When is used with perfect. It is used as negative and denies the past. Hence, is a negative or prohibitive sentence. Therefore, it can't be a possessive phrase. Also this will be consider subject of the whole verse/sentence. a prepositional phrase and the object or predicate of the verse/sentence.
Please let me know if you need any further explanation.
Regards,
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No I don't. Following are the reasons for it.
When is used with perfect. It is used as negative and denies the past. Hence, is a negative or prohibitive sentence. Therefore, it can't be a possessive phrase. Also this will be consider subject of the whole verse/sentence. a prepositional phrase and the object or predicate of the verse/sentence.
Please let me know if you need any further explanation.
Regards,
Void of any sense. I did not say is a possessive phrase. How you call these two words as "subject of sentence"? If Ma is negation of following verb, then what is the object of verb and who is the subject of verb?
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Void of any sense. I did not say is a possessive phrase. How you call these two words as "subject of sentence"? If Ma is negation of following verb, then what is the object of verb and who is the subject of verb?
Mazhar can we keep the discussion objective please without personal opinions and beliefs? Are you aware that there are negative or prohibitive sentences in Classic Arabic? Yes and no please. If yes, is not one? If not why?
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Mazhar can we keep the discussion objective please without personal opinions and beliefs? Are you aware that there are negative or prohibitive sentences in Classic Arabic? Yes and no please. If yes, is not one? If not why?
Relate it to something, otherwise void of sense.
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Relate it to something, otherwise void of sense.
I will but first thing first. We have to agree or disagree with reason and evidence for this discussion to be fruitful. Otherwise, this is futile and waste of time, as usual. So please respond to above questions first.
Waqas, you were asking for evidence. Why are you quiet now?
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I will but first thing first. We have to agree or disagree with reason and evidence for this discussion to be fruitful. Otherwise, this is futile and waste of time, as usual. So please respond to above questions first.
Waqas, you were asking for evidence. Why are you quiet now?
I think it's because he is not here.
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Mazhar can we keep the discussion objective please without personal opinions and beliefs? Are you aware that there are negative or prohibitive sentences in Classic Arabic? Yes and no please. If yes, is not one? If not why?
Languages have negation and prohibitive words. It is naive question.
If you take in isolation, it will mean "He (someone mentioned earlier) has not created" referring to something that person may have claimed to have created.
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Languages have negation and prohibitive words. It is naive question.
If you take in isolation, it will mean "He (someone mentioned earlier) has not created" referring to something that person may have claimed to have created.
It is not just a negative word, this construction is a negative sentence. Shouldn't it be translated "He was not created" instead of "He has not created". Since should be translated "he was created".
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Mazhar, I am seeing problem from your side as well. I don't think there is any concept of possession in Arabic verbal paradigm. The prototype for all Arabic verbs paradigm is . It is and can only be translated as "He did it". It is never and shouldn't be translated as "He has done it". Therefore, it is wrong to consider having possessive third person singular pronoun. It only and should be translated as "He was created".
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Mazhar, I am seeing problem from your side as well. I don't think there is any concept of possession in Arabic verbal paradigm. The prototype for all Arabic verbs paradigm is . It is and can only be translated as "He did it". It is never and shouldn't be translated as "He has done it". Therefore, it is wrong to consider having possessive third person singular pronoun. It only and should be translated as "He was created".
Why confusion? Where did I say this perfect verb has anything to do with possessive construction? A verb has always a subject; the doer of the act.
"He was created" is passive and with negation Ma it will become "He was not created".
Does it seem to relate to what you earlier said
Surah 1132
It has never been consistent with natural disposition to be among wrongdoers, unjust, corrupt and wicked.
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bkanwar2 , can you give the word for word of your translation
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bkanwar2 , can you give the word for word of your translation
I think he did in the first page.
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bkanwar2 , can you give the word for word of your translation
Are you asking for only verse 1132 or whole Sura? This is word for word translation. Else are you asking for a detailed linguistic explanation of each step involved in this translation? Please clarify.
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Why confusion? Where did I say this perfect verb has anything to do with possessive construction? A verb has always a subject; the doer of the act.
"He was created" is passive and with negation Ma it will become "He was not created".
Does it seem to relate to what you earlier said
So we agree that should be translated as "He was created" and not as "He has created"?
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Are you asking for only verse 1132 or whole Sura? This is word for word translation. Else are you asking for a detailed linguistic explanation of each step involved in this translation? Please clarify.
Just word for word translation preferably for entire surah .later ,in sha ALLAH we will develop linguistic explanation if time permits
