WHY SHOULD KAFFIRS BURN IN HELL?
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Well, Quran alone are idol worshippers, they made an idol out of a single book, which they don't even understand, thus limiting their perception and worldview down to a single piece. That's what keeps them in Hell (‎. This is what the word stands for, to be limited, confined, similar like a farmer is confined under authority of medieval feudalism, as opposite to , which means to be free, tranquile, safe and the one who thinks a bigger picture. You guys are deluded if you think refers to some sort of specific religious practices, because this word is universal and even appears in the Hebrew Bible, it is not solely limited to the Islamic or Quranic concepts, but since you are a worthless flock, you probably never think this far. Jesus was , the Gospels is the book for .
Traditionalists are also among the worst type of people I ever met in my life. They are unreliable. They are careerists and sycophants, who believe it is quite okay to have unlimited sex and gluttony in the so called Paradise while their friends, relatives, acquaintances are all in Hell, since according to their limited uderstanding of the book they made an idol of, it is impossible to enter the so called Heaven UNLESS there is a will of Allah, it is he who chooses who enters regardless of actions, oh and the selection procedure there is perhaps the most pointless in any corporate culture. So this type of mindset will go a great length to justify their priority towards entering the place they for some reason call Jannat or the Home of the Jinn, since that's the same word, right? They will abandon a critical thinker, their relatives, pretty much anyone anytime, since their bootlicking and confined priority is higher. They are ready to eat the fruit and lead an unlimited hedonistic lifestyle eternally, while their parents and friends will probably end up in the eternal fire.
They also do not understand anything they read in the text, attributing countless of miracles towards traditional mambojambo which is written there, like cows who are slaughtered yet cannot be harmed simultaneously, talking ants, the pasture which is moved towards both hell and in heaven in the same way the sheep are herd in flock, about some sort of building they believe is made out of stone and some forbidden temple, which they believe the text talks about, and countless of other stuff, which makes no sense, yet for them it is probably some hidden scientific miracle.
These are people who once killed one of the greatest people in the history of pre-modern humanity, the Messiah, the son of Miryem. It was the pity herd mindset, which killed him in exchange for the age old dogmas spread by the teachers of the Law, call it the teachers of the book, whatever. These are worst type of people. Among your community you make authority out of the very people who share the same fascistic-herd mindset, you make authority out of fascist like Sam Gerrans and pseudo-rationalists like Edip Yuksel, as if you lack your own mind, which God gave you.
It is you who are in hell already, but worthless flock ready to be slaughtered do not know it. Disgrace and shame.
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I also think people do it because they're socially and emotionally attached and brainwashed into thinking others are elite so they must follow a particular law and order. The aggression can cause fear which can make people comply with particular wishes, even if maybe they don't agree with it. People tend to not want to be an outcast.
Human are generally as such, from birth they're being thought to follow directions from their parent or any figures of authority, without questioning. Questioning parents or figure of authority are considered as vice or bad. In some cases they're even threatened with eternal torture after they die.
A social experiment has been conducted many times, and the result is consistent at 99% will obey the authority upon faced with conflict between self conscience vs authority.
How to change it?
Forget the old generation, change the way you educate your children.
Teach them how to think.
Reward those who questioned or dare to criticize on any topics. (religion / ideology included)
Nurture the critical thinking, creativity and self confidence on them.?I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think?
-- SocratesSimply not true, a lie, and extremely short sighted, uneducated, silly.
Kindly explain WHY
Well, Quran alone are idol worshippers, they made an idol out of a single book, which they don't even understand, thus limiting their perception and worldview down to a single piece.
In a way you're right.
For those who think that something is true merely because the holy book said so .
Without even dare to question or ask the "WHY" question.That's what keeps them in Hell (‎. This is what the word stands for, to be limited, confined, similar like a farmer is confined under authority of medieval feudalism, as opposite to , which means to be free, tranquile, safe and the one who thinks a bigger picture. You guys are deluded if you think refers to some sort of specific religious practices, because this word is universal and even appears in the Hebrew Bible, it is not solely limited to the Islamic or Quranic concepts, but since you are a worthless flock, you probably never think this far. Jesus was , the Gospels is the book for .
Ironically the Gospels is the most anti religious book ever written.
And it never claimed that it was written by God. (which is good and healthy)But anything can be turned into an 'idol' for religion sake..
Traditionalists are also among the worst type of people I ever met in my life. They are unreliable. They are careerists and sycophants, who believe it is quite okay to have unlimited sex and gluttony in the so called Paradise while their friends, relatives, acquaintances are all in Hell, since according to their limited uderstanding of the book they made an idol of, it is impossible to enter the so called Heaven UNLESS there is a will of Allah, it is he who chooses who enters regardless of actions, oh and the selection procedure there is perhaps the most pointless in any corporate culture. So this type of mindset will go a great length to justify their priority towards entering the place they for some reason call Jannat or the Home of the Jinn, since that's the same word, right? They will abandon a critical thinker, their relatives, pretty much anyone anytime, since their bootlicking and confined priority is higher. They are ready to eat the fruit and lead an unlimited hedonistic lifestyle eternally, while their parents and friends will probably end up in the eternal fire.
They also do not understand anything they read in the text, attributing countless of miracles towards traditional mambojambo which is written there, like cows who are slaughtered yet cannot be harmed simultaneously, talking ants, the pasture which is moved towards both hell and in heaven in the same way the sheep are herd in flock, about some sort of building they believe is made out of stone and some forbidden temple, which they believe the text talks about, and countless of other stuff, which makes no sense, yet for them it is probably some hidden scientific miracle.
These are people who once killed one of the greatest people in the history of pre-modern humanity, the Messiah, the son of Miryem. It was the pity herd mindset, which killed him in exchange for the age old dogmas spread by the teachers of the Law, call it the teachers of the book, whatever.
In a way you're right.
Jesus, John, Abraham, Socrates (to name a few) were the enemy and victim of the close minded traditionalist / religious. -
It's our ______ to punish people's who hurt us or go against us . Torturing them eternaly is a dream that god will make true but god will torture them who went againsts her, when someone hurt me very badly I did not want to kill him I wanted to torture him eternaly and that's what God will do. Me and her thoughts are very matching.
So you put yourself in the place of God and think what will you do who disbelieves in you / reject you it will definitely hurt you .
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It's our ______ to punish people's who hurt us or go against us . Torturing them eternaly is a dream that god will make true but god will torture them who went againsts her, when someone hurt me very badly I did not want to kill him I wanted to torture him eternaly and that's what God will do. Me and her thoughts are very matching.
So you put yourself in the place of God and think what will you do who disbelieves in you / reject you it will definitely hurt you .
Torture them? When Allah/God (SWTAY) say anything about torture? In fact did He even mentioned the word "torture"?
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It's our ______ to punish people's who hurt us or go against us . Torturing them eternaly is a dream that god will make true but god will torture them who went againsts her, when someone hurt me very badly I did not want to kill him I wanted to torture him eternaly and that's what God will do. Me and her thoughts are very matching.
So you put yourself in the place of God and think what will you do who disbelieves in you / reject you it will definitely hurt you .
This eternal thing about anythig is nonsense. Only God is eternal. Neither paradise nor hell are eternal. They are as long s eople are in that state. When they overcome that stage they continue, unless God wants something else. Say etrnal is bad trnslation or interpretation. Hell is in the person, not the person in hell. Hell or aradise is what we sow in this life, we hv it grow in the beyond, neither for eternity. Ultimately we all and everything else return to God. Tht is what Qur'n says again, and again and again. We ar not God's we cannot be eternal except by wholly returnig to God, who is the Eternal.
Salaam
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Torture them? When Allah/God (SWTAY) say anything about torture? In fact did He even mentioned the word "torture"?
You understood.
Ta Ha 2074Indeed, whoever comes to his Lord as a criminal - indeed, for him is Hell; he will neither die therein nor live.
Ayn-Thal-Ba = chastisement, castigate, punishment, torture, torment, retribution, abstain/desist (e.g. from eating due to excessive thirst), relinquish, quit. To deny a thing, hinder anyone from, be inaccessible, prevent.
adhb - palatable, sweet (usually water), e.g. 2553, 3512. -
This eternal thing about anythig is nonsense. Only God is eternal. Neither paradise nor hell are eternal. They are as long s eople are in that state. When they overcome that stage they continue, unless God wants something else. Say etrnal is bad trnslation or interpretation. Hell is in the person, not the person in hell. Hell or aradise is what we sow in this life, we hv it grow in the beyond, neither for eternity. Ultimately we all and everything else return to God. Tht is what Qur'n says again, and again and again. We ar not God's we cannot be eternal except by wholly returnig to God, who is the Eternal.
Salaam
Are you repeating this
Al-Baqarah 280
And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say, "Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"
Yes, whoever earns evil and his sin has encompassed him - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally. -
You understood.
Ta Ha 2074Indeed, whoever comes to his Lord as a criminal - indeed, for him is Hell; he will neither die therein nor live.
Ayn-Thal-Ba = chastisement, castigate, punishment, torture, torment, retribution, abstain/desist (e.g. from eating due to excessive thirst), relinquish, quit. To deny a thing, hinder anyone from, be inaccessible, prevent.
adhb - palatable, sweet (usually water), e.g. 2553, 3512.Problem the word adhb is not even mentioned in the verse so i don't know how you connected the word adhb with 2074.
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Well, Quran alone are idol worshippers, they made an idol out of a single book, which they don't even understand, thus limiting their perception and worldview down to a single piece..
Agree.
Followers of Aurangzaib Yousufzai is happy with what it has
Followers of Sam G is happy with what it has
Followers of Mazhar is happy with what it has
Followers of is happy with what it hastoo many idols to follow
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Just explain me WHY according to Quran kaffirs and idol worshippers should burn in hell just because they didnt not believe in divinity of islam?
Peace MaryK, any ayats to support the above claim? What is the "divinity" of Quran?
What is Islam according to your view?Why person is condemned to hell according to his beliefs and not his actions and good deeds?
What is hell in your view? Which beliefs condemns one to hell?
"And whoever has not believed in Allah and His Messenger - then indeed, We have prepared for the disbelievers a Blaze"
What is the context of this ayat?
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Indeed why should "Kaffirs" burn in hell?
We have already seen that "Kaffirs" are not easy to identify for us humans and GOD has made it His business Alone to try people and identify His "Kaffirs".
There fore ,if we do not know, we should try and identify ourselves, who we are and what we do, then concentrate on that task to avoid being a "Kaffir".
Secondly do we really know what is hell? where is it? How is it /will be set up? for what souls?...etc. We have some allegorical descriptions of hell, they sound horrendous, no imagination possible can identify this place called hell yet!!!
So we do not know "Kaffirs" nor do we know what "hell" is/will be.
How can we possibly comment? We will be making assumptions and using our imagination.
GOD bless you all.
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Are you repeating this
Al-Baqarah 280
And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say,"Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"
Yes, whoever earns evil and his sin has encompassed him - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally.Why do you choose khlidwun to mean "eternally".
How can you say that hell is eternal as God? which word in Qur'an means eternal speaking about God?
Salaam
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We cannot compare the ETERNITY of God with anything, but Kha / L / D referring the eternity? read below verses and take the possible meaning out of it to come to a conclusion.
Also note that God has never stated in quran that He will destroy the Paradise or Hell one day and make a state of nothingness?
720 But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal."
720 Then Satan whispered to them, to reveal to them that which was hidden from them of their shameful parts. He said, 'Your Lord has only prohibited you from this tree lest you become angels, or lest you become immortals.'218 And We did not make the prophets forms not eating food, nor were they immortal Sahih International
218 nor did We fashion them as bodies that ate not food, neither were they immortal; Arbery2134 And We did not grant to any man before you eternity ; so if you die - would they be eternal? Sahih International
21 34 We have not assigned to any mortal before thee to live forever; therefore, if thou diest, will they live forever? Arberyaccording to the context of the verse 720 it speaks non other than immortals.. i don't see any other possible meaning to it with my knowledge.. if anyone knows, it's most welcome to reveal it to consider to my knowledge
and as per verse 218, it's again manifest by God Himself it is immortal
lastly in verse 2134 it obviously clear God compares DEATH to IMMORTALITY ....
In my opinion Hell and paradise are kind of eternal thing... unless human got the meaning of ETERNITY to something else.. ETERNITY MAY HAVE ENDING TOO, SINCE OUR KNOWLEDGE OF ETERNITY IS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE REALIZED IN THIS WORLD. I DON'T MEAN TO SAY THAT WE WILL LIVE IN THE SAME PARADISE OR HELL ETERNALLY.. THAT GOD ONLY KNOWS...
i have seen a verse, unfortunately i cannot recollect, which reads something like this...
" And they will in the Hell as long as God wills... and they will live in paradise as long God wills"... this verse gives me a hint that we may not live in the same hell or paradise eternally... but there is no promise from God that our soul will get terminated to nothingness..Hope below verse may have a meaning if we think Paradise is eternal
4456 They will not taste death therein except the first death, and He will have protected them from the punishment of Hellfire.
4456 They shall not taste therein of death, save the first death, And He shall guard them against the chastisement of Hell --
thanx for reading.... )
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i have seen a verse, unfortunately i cannot recollect, which reads something like this...
" And they will in the Hell as long as God wills... and they will live in paradise as long God wills"... this verse gives me a hint that we may not live in the same hell or paradise eternally... but there is no promise from God that our soul will get terminated to nothingness..That would be 11106-108
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Thank you The Sardar for your effort...
that's the very verse i was referring......so i copy paste as under for those who has never read it before..
11106-108 / Arbery ; As for the wretched, they shall be in the Fire, wherein there shall be for them moaning and sighing, therein dwelling forever,
so long as the heavens and earth abide, save as thy Lord will; surely thy Lord accomplishes what He desires.
And as for the happy, they shall be in Paradise, therein dwelling forever, so long as the heavens and earth abide, save as thy Lord will -- for a gift unbroken.
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logically when a person complete his/her sentence for crimes then its mean its level.
courts work in same way with the criminals so do God
what is the punishment its not experienced by anybody yet may b its a state of lonlinesspunishment of fire and punishment of cold are metaphors
and yeh when punishment of something completed then its not fair to keep criminal in custody otherwise its another crime so God will not gona do any crime by keeping people in sentence when they finsihed/resolved their cases infront of God. God is the only source of perect justice
but even if we go through the worldly way here we have something to ponder about
let say hitler or changaiz khan if they held reaponsible for multimillions deathslife time prison of 14 years for one crime multiply by one million deaths = 14 million years sentence
rest of the things God knows his secrets alone
yeh one more thing the real permanent being is only supreme being who created all this and logically he can only exist as immortal somewhere in chapter 55 its written when there will nothing left in this time space te face of your lord will b there so we can see after this life we have a state of relaxtion a first stage not the last one and then for making that life interesting God will or can also change the stage,state,nature and ranks of individual let see what he do but our first task is here at planet earth need to be qualified for other tasks what he is getting done from other beings
blessing in the name of God
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90% of Quran is metaphors
This is what people say when they do not understand a thing. There is no hidden meaning of Qura'n. It is a "Mubeen" book. If there are any hidden meanings then only Allah knows them.
You cannot even define the word "Kufr" or "Kafir" so how can you understand the whole book?Peace!
