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Explanation 40:11

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    centi50
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    Salam to All,

    Please can anyone explain this Ayat to me. What are these two death and two lives

    They said, "Our Lord, twice You have put us to death and twice You have brought us to life; now we have confessed our sins, is there any way out?" 4011

    God bless

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      Peace centi50.
      It means at the resurrection(third life cycle) they will say they had two life cycles before and still want another chance at redeeming themselves!
      They were alive then put to death then made alive/born/created again for another life then put to death again(a second time) then resurrected to face the music.
      Like this verse says also
      228

      How can you disbelieve in God when you were dead and He gave you life, then He puts you to death, then He brings you back to life, then to Him you ultimately return?
      (2 deaths experienced before the final return)
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

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        Salam to All,

        Please can anyone explain this Ayat to me. What are these two death and two lives

        They said, "Our Lord, twice You have put us to death and twice You have brought us to life; now we have confessed our sins, is there any way out?" 4011

        God bless

        Here is the translation by Parvez Ahmad

        (11) They would say, ?O Our Rabb, twice You have caused us to die and twice You have brought us to life. (Before we were born into this world we were dead and You gave us life; then we died and again You have given us life ? 228, 3758, 4456.) However, life in jahannam is worse than death (1417, 2074, 3536, 8713). We now confess our guilt. As such, is there any way out of this suffering so that we can also enjoy the pleasantness of real life??

        Sourcehttp//tolueislam.org/exposition-of-the-holy-quran-40-al-momin-g-a-parwez/

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          They said, "Our Lord, twice You have put us to death and twice You have brought us to life; now we have confessed our sins, is there any way out?"

          The way I understand it is that this dialogue is when they are facing judgement and its result. First death was the worldly death and second death is punishment of hell as they will not be able to remove it and have further progress in next life. That is why they are accepting their crimes and asking for a way out.

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            centi50
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            Salam to Novice and All,

            When was the first death, second death, first life and second life.

            God bless

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              Salam to Novice and All,

              When was the first death, second death, first life and second life.

              God bless

              Salaam centi50

              First life could be the life we are spending in this world and second life could be life of hereafter.

              Two deaths could either be
              our state before coming into this world and second death is when we leave this world OR
              first death is when we leave this world and second death is the life of punishment of hell.

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                centi50
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                Salaam centi50

                First life could be the life we are spending in this world and second life could be life of hereafter.

                Two deaths could either be
                our state before coming into this world and second death is when we leave this world OR
                first death is when we leave this world and second death is the life of punishment of hell.

                Thank you brother Novice for replies.

                So is there Quranic ayat pointing to our first life and second life.

                First death and second Death?

                God bless

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                  Mazhar
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                  Salam to All,

                  Please can anyone explain this Ayat to me. What are these two death and two lives

                  They said, "Our Lord, twice You have put us to death and twice You have brought us to life; now we have confessed our sins, is there any way out?" 4011

                  God bless

                  Speakers and the Listener know the fact. Speakers priortized causing death twice. Death is caused to a living entity. And that entity is firstly given life from the state of matter. Second life can be given to a dead person. They delayed the fact of giving life twice. And mentioned a past event of second life in the following clause.

                  The second sentence is dependent clause with particle Fa which relates to cause and effect,

                  When they had confessed their sins - refer 23100

                  These are the people who are destined to Hell Prison. They used to say there is only one death 4434

                  In contrast the People destined Paradise had only one death -- refer 4456

                  Then please read the rule in 4521.

                  In contrast please see the statement of people of Paradise in 3759; they experienced only one death.

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                    Peace All.
                    This is crystal clear228

                    Kuntum Amwatan ,----we were dead the first time means we were alive before that. Otherwise we would have been non existent. We die only if we were alive prior to death. Hence we had a first life and we were put to death.
                    Then we were made alive again (as humans)a second time---Fa Ahyakum--- Thumma yumeetukkum... Then we will be made alive a third time ----Resurrection.
                    is this not a logical interpretation of the verse?
                    GOD bless
                    Peace

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                      Mazhar
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                      When a living dies he is called or becomes http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/57.gif and plural http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/58.gif
                      Man is given life from matter.

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                        Peace All.
                        This is crystal clear228

                        Kuntum Amwatan ,----we were dead the first time means we were alive before that. Otherwise we would have been non existent. We die only if we were alive prior to death. Hence we had a first life and we were put to death.

                        Kuntum Amwatan...you used to be dead -- does not say first time or we were alive before that.

                        Our creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.

                        Salaam

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                          Thank you brother Novice for replies.

                          So is there Quranic ayat pointing to our first life and second life.

                          First death and second Death?

                          God bless

                          Please see ayats quoted by brother Mazhar and reflect. People of hell will have a second death when they suffer in hell.
                          People of paradise will have one death in this world and then they will live in paradise as long as our Rubb wishes.

                          Salaam

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                            Mazhar
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                            Please see ayats quoted by brother Mazhar and reflect. People of hell will have a second death when they suffer in hell.
                            People of paradise will have one death in this world and then they will live in paradise as long as our Rubb wishes.

                            Salaam

                            Please reconsider, they said they have already experienced two deaths. And then saying that last time in second life we had confessed the guilt, and then ask whether there is now escape.

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                              Please reconsider, they said they have already experienced two deaths. And then saying that last time in second life we had confessed the guilt, and then ask whether there is now escape.

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                              Surely those who rejected, are/will be called that Allah's dislike is greater than your dislike. When you were invited to the imaan then you rejected.....So this ayat is referring to time when they will be given life after their death in this world.

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                              They said our Rabb you give us death twice and gave us life twice, So we accept our misdeeds so is there any exit from it.

                              Here it seems that second death is their life in hell which is named as death and that is why they are asking for an exit from this situation.

                              (There are many times when situation of future life is told in past tense.)

                              That is because when you were invited to Allah alone you rejected but when He was associated you believed so now the Command is for Allah the high the great.

                              This ayat further give me understanding that their second death is their stay in hell because of their rejection.

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                peace guys,

                                i was looking for this verse may b its reffering to reincarnation ?

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                                  Surely those who rejected, are/will be called that Allah's dislike is greater than your dislike. When you were invited to the imaan then you rejected.....So this ayat is referring to time when they will be given life after their death in this world.

                                  (

                                  They said our Rabb you give us death twice and gave us life twice, So we accept our misdeeds so is there any exit from it.

                                  Here it seems that second death is their life in hell which is named as death and that is why they are asking for an exit from this situation.

                                  (There are many times when situation of future life is told in past tense.)

                                  That is because when you were invited to Allah alone you rejected but when He was associated you believed so now the Command is for Allah the high the great.

                                  This ayat further give me understanding that their second death is their stay in hell because of their rejection.

                                  Yes the Hereafter events are mentioned in Future Perfect to emphasize certainty as if it is history.
                                  In the First Ayah they are reminded what they were habitually doing in their worldly life.

                                  Certainly those who had disavowed will be reminded of their state?
                                  "Indeed in the judgment of Allah it was more inappropriate and abominable act than the irritating vile of you people which your selves felt when you were invited towards the Belief, whereupon you kept refuting it".

                                  Responding to it they state how they were already dealt with for their conduct

                                  They said, "Our Sustainer Lord, You earlier did cause us death on two occasions when You had given us life twice;
                                  Thereby, we had confessed our sins
                                  Thereby, is there any way of getting out?"

                                  The answer to the fact or subtle complaint of giving twice life and twice death is given in the dependent clause beginning with Demonstrative pronoun

                                  "This was for the reason that you people refused to accept when Allah was mentioned as "He is the One"
                                  But if a partner was joined with Him you believed that (duality).
                                  Therefore, the decision/command (regarding the way out) is for Allah, the Exalted, the Greatest."

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace Novice.
                                    You mean our bodies that we are coupled with as humans were created as follows? Quote

                                    Our creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.

                                    I believe originally, before our first creation we were "nothing", no matter ,no materials, Zilch(Kun Fayakun)
                                    1967

                                    1967
                                    Did the human being forget that we created him Min Kablu, and he was nothing?
                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace.

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                                      centi50
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                                      Salam to All,

                                      So does this mean we exsisted before being born here in this world?

                                      God bless

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                                        Peace centi50.
                                        For me it can only mean that we had a life before this one.

                                        If ,quote Kuntum Amwatan...you used to be dead -- does not say first time or we were alive before that.

                                        The word "Amwatan" would not have been used , as Mawt only follows a life. You could not die if you were not alive .
                                        If it means we were materials or mud or other ,then we were not dead!!!
                                        Also as I pointed out ,there is a clear verse(1967) that says we started out from "NOTHING". This must have been before the first life.
                                        GOD bless you.
                                        Peace.

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          When a living dies he is called or becomes http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/57.gif and plural http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/58.gif
                                          Man is given life from matter.

                                          http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/039.%20Az%20Zumar/39.30PP.gif

                                          Statues are made of matter

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