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    Sarah
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    The definition of Human Shaytan

    Shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire each other (religism) with delusions (unnatural) by means of specious words (guesswork, fallacies, "without proof and evidence&quot — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (forced justice, political jurisprudence). (6112)

    Traits of Human Shaytan (muSHIRK)

    • religism / schism

    • delusional (characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder)

    • fallacious / unnatural / illogical / "without proof and evidence" / guesswork

    • against Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature

    • forced justice

    Quran Alone followers are not Mushrik? >

    #Wishful_Thinking_Is_One_Thing_Reality_Another

    Technically, you are a Qur'an alone follower since you don't believe in hadith...

    And what's with the devil smiley emoji every time?

    I read some of your websites, apparently you're the founder of a movement...in other words, a SECT...

    The whole Qur'an repeatedly reminds that God is one God...some verses say NOBODY can compare to Him...

    You seem to say that there is no God because God is light/ energy therefore, it's everywhere and in everyone (if I understand your views correctly).

    However, God is like nothing and nobody else...

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      nope.. I'm an animist... I believe in the Hadith, I believe in Hinduism, I believe in Buddhism, I believe in Satanism, I believe in all religions, 2,000,000 denominations and 320,000,000 gods and make no distinction in TRUTH.... there is no god HIGHER THAN TRUTH (LordLaw of Nature... Math + E + Ism)...

      Truth (Nature) is my God.

      My religion is Quranic ANIMISM and I am the Sunnatullah ALONE Muslim..

      My theology is Matheism Jurisprudence (Madhab) ....

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        Sarah
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        @Mahdi Ibrahim,

        'And they wonder that there has come to them a warner from among themselves. And the disbelievers say, "This is a magician and a liar.' 384

        'Has he made the gods one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing."' 385

        'And the eminent among them went forth, , "Continue, and be patient over your gods. Indeed, this is a thing intended.' 386

        As you can see, you took 385 out of CONTEXT...this is a magician and a liar is obviously referring to a messenger or prophet God sent...then the disbelievers are asking 'Has he made the gods only one God?'....as in has the messenger replaced their idol worship concept with the idea of worshiping one God...

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          Did the Messenger of Allah make all gods one god?

          this is a magician and a liar is obviously referring to a messenger or prophet God sent....

          Traits of a Messenger of Allah...

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            Sarah
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            nope.. I'm an animist... I believe in the Hadith, I believe in Hinduism, I believe in Buddhism, I believe in Satanism, I believe in all religions, 2,000,000 denominations and 320,000,000 gods and make no distinction in TRUTH.... there is no god HIGHER THAN TRUTH (LordLaw of Nature... Math + E + Ism)...

            Truth (Nature) is my God.

            My religion is Quranic ANIMISM and I am the Sunnatullah ALONE Muslim..

            My theology is Matheism Jurisprudence (Madhab) ....

            It is illogical to believe in all religions because religions contradict each other...

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              because religions contradict each other...

              I call that insanity / being brainwashed ... and Hasty Generalization (religism/schism)

              Hasty generalization is an informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence—essentially making a rushed conclusion without considering all of the variables. for the same TRUTH// "He made all gods same god. (385)"

              and because God has no religion.

              The only religion (deen) is Natural Way of Life (is without religion / no monopoly)

              The Sunnatullah...

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                Sarah
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                Did the Messenger of Allah make all gods one god?

                Traits of a Messenger of Allah...

                Muhammad Sarwar They say, "Has he condemned all other gods but One? This is certainly strange". 385

                condemn verb
                con?demn | \ kn-dem
                condemned; condemning; condemns
                Definition of condemn
                transitive verb

                1 to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
                a policy widely condemned as racist

                Has he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?....

                All other gods are wrong except one.

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  Word by word...

                  Has he made the gods one god. Indeed this certainly a thing curious.

                  ie. SAME ( = ONE) GOD.

                  Muhammad Sarwar They say, "Has he condemned all other gods but One? This is certainly strange". 385

                  condemn verb
                  con�​demn | \ kən-ˈdem
                  condemned; condemning; condemns
                  Definition of condemn
                  transitive verb

                  1 to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
                  a policy widely condemned as racist

                  Has he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?....

                  All other gods are wrong except one.

                  It it is the Kafir declared the Messenger to be wrong etc....

                  So what's your point?

                  The Messenger is the Kafir, and the Kafir is the Muslims?

                  Has the Reminder (OF ONE GOD) been sent down to him (ALONE) out of all of us?´ They are in doubt about My Reminder (OF ONE GOD // NATURE'S GOD). They have yet to taste My punishment. (358 )

                  No one ever heard of ONE GOD, or Islam has been twisted!? lol

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                    Sarah
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                    Word by word...

                    Has he made the gods one god. Indeed this certainly a thing curious.

                    It it is the Kafir declared the Messenger to be wrong etc....

                    So what's your point?

                    The Messenger is the Kafir, and the Kafir is the Muslims?

                    My point is....'Has he made the gods one god?' means,'
                    Has he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?' The latter being the clearer translation imo

                    Basically the messenger/ prophet CONDEMNED their FALSE 'gods' and believed in ONE God...

                    Truth is a concept NOT a God...to say truth is your God just means you value truth above all else...but GOD is a REAL BEING, not just a concept...

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      according to the twisted translation to make Islam as a Religion...

                      but inconsistent with...

                      Word by word...

                      Indeed this certainly a thing curious.

                      the context and the word by word translation... One God, Sunnatullah etc...

                      We have iman in what has been sent down to us (about Natural Law ONLY // MUHKAMAT) and what was sent down to you (about Natural Law ONLY // MUHKAMAT... ACCORDINGLY). Our God and your God is the same and we submit to Him (Nature's God // Sunnatullah ALONE Muslim). (2946)

                      He made all gods same god. (385)

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                        Sarah
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                        Again, taking the verse OUT OF CONTEXT....you're making it seems as if 'He has made all gods the same God' (AND you leave the question mark out on purpose, it should be quoted as,'Has he made the gods one God?...'...how deceitful can a person like you get?) is a literal fact when it is in fact a RHETORICAL QUESTION FROM THE DISBELIEVERS TOWARDS THE MESSENGER/ PROPHET WHOM THEY ARE DISAGREEING WITH...

                        rhetoricalDictionary result for rhetorical
                        /rtrk(&#601l/Submit
                        adjective
                        1.
                        relating to or concerned with the art of rhetoric.
                        "repetition is a common rhetorical device"
                        synonyms stylistic, oratorical, linguistic, verbal
                        "the skilful use of such rhetorical devices like metaphor"
                        2.
                        (of a question) asked in order to produce an effect or to make a statement rather than to elicit information.

                        Read the 2nd definition...

                        You're trying to fool us into taking the verse/s out of context....I'm done because your motive seems to be to keep ignoring the correct context...

                        Goodbye

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          What is your context?

                          Which universe?

                          Aliens? >D

                          My context = Nature & Nature's God... "He made all gods same god. 385"

                          IF God
                          THEN Nature's God (SAME GOD)
                          ELSE Alien's Religion >D + >D + >D ....

                          delusional

                          characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (NATURE) or rational argument (NATURE), typically as a symptom of mental disorder ( = muSHRIK).

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                            Sarah
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                            What is your context?

                            Which universe?

                            Aliens? >

                            My context = Nature & Nature's God... "He made all gods same god. 385"

                            IF God
                            THEN Nature's God (SAME GOD)
                            ELSE Alien's Religion > + > + > ....

                            delusional

                            characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (NATURE) or rational argument (NATURE), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                            Context of the SURROUNDING VERSE and surrounding verses of 385 in order to understand 385...

                            You are very immature trying to change the subject, PRETENDING YOU DON'T KNOW I'm referring to the context of the verse and randomly asking, context of the universe...GROW UP

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              you add your own words to the Quran and I'm changing the context?

                              No corroborative evidence and cherry picking..

                              Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? (285)

                              personal opinion and against REALITY / NATURE / delusional = insane ...

                              What kind of argument is this?

                              and it is correct.. .

                              Alien's Religion (ie. muSHRIK)

                              Do not be among the mushrikeen those who split up their Deen, and form into sects, each one happy with their own belief. (3030-32)

                              "without proof and evidence"...

                              = Quran Alone followers.

                              no merit, and no further argument...

                              God exists since nature is consistent, and the Devil exists since we cannot prove it(s nonsense // insanity).

                              The definition of Human Shaytan

                              Shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire each other (religism) with delusions (unnatural) by means of specious words (guesswork, fallacies, "without proof and evidence&quot — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (forced justice, political jurisprudence). (6112)

                              Traits of Human Shaytan (muSHIRK)

                              • religism / schism

                              • delusional (characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder)

                              • fallacious / unnatural / illogical / "without proof and evidence" / guesswork

                              • against Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature

                              • forced justice

                              Quran Alone followers are not Mushrik? >D

                              #Wishful_Thinking_Is_One_Thing_Reality_Another

                              Quran ALONE?

                              so much for wishful thinking... "GROW UP!" rotfl

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                No one on earth can do this except the Messenger ... by Allah's blessings, chosen to stand up against the nonsense of 7+ billion peoples ... >

                                and it is proof of Messengership

                                and proves how history repeats itself...


                                And they were surprised that a warner (Mahdi Ibrahim) has come to them from among themselves. And the rejecters (Quranist etc) said

                                "This (Mahdi Ibrahim) is a magician, a liar (Why? Because...).

                                Has he (Mahdi Ibrahim) made the gods same god.

                                This is indeed a strange thing!

                                And the (Quranist etc) leaders among them went out

                                "Walk away, and remain patient to your gods.

                                This thing can be turned back.

                                We never heard of this (ONE/SAME GOD) from the people (of AROB / Muhammadism) before us.

                                This is but an innovation."

                                "Has the remembrance (of ONE GOD) been sent down to him (Mahdi Ibrahim ALONE), from between all of us (Quranists / Muslims / etc)!?"

                                Indeed, they are doubtful of My reminder (of ONE NATURE'S GOD // SUNNATULLAH ALONE // NO RELIGISM = Bigot). Indeed, they have not yet tasted My retribution. (385-

                                IF no god
                                THEN same god
                                ELSE gods (shirk)

                                god hates no one except bigots rotfl

                                Bigot = ByGod (religism / "each one happy with their own belief" -> divide & conquer)

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                                  Incognito 0
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                                  Peace/salaam

                                  Just to get back to the original topic my advice would be to try not to make things too complicated for yourself. If someone claims to believe in one God (like the majority of Muslims, Christians and Jews) them who are we to say they are idolators. That's God's judgement based upon what's in their hearts and what their circumstances, understanding is. A kafir is someone who rejects and who covers up the truth. I wouldn't say that the majority of Christians and Jews today fall under the category of kafirs referred to in the Qur'an considering that they have been fed such a distorted image of what islam and the Qur'an is.

                                  I guess the question goes back to... who really is a believer?

                                  "And they say never will one enter the garden except he be a Jew or a Christian. That is their wishful thinking. Say 'Bring your proof of you are truthful.',
                                  "Yes, whosoever turns his face towards God and is a doer of good, for him is his reward with his Lord and no fear shall be upon them nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2111-112).

                                  So if someone submits their face towards God and does good, you have your suitable candidate.

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                                    kaltun
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                                    Slm Mahdi Ibrahim,

                                    i love the way you expressing yourself here, i slowly collect and print your drawings , beatifull are they

                                    sorry had to laught on this ....

                                    And they were surprised that a warner (Mahdi Ibrahim) has come to them from among themselves. And the rejecters (Quranist etc) said

                                    "This (Mahdi Ibrahim) is a magician, a liar (Why? Because...).

                                    Has he (Mahdi Ibrahim) made the gods same god.

                                    This is indeed a strange thing!

                                    And the (Quranist etc) leaders among them went out

                                    "Walk away, and remain patient to your gods.

                                    This thing can be turned back.

                                    We never heard of this (ONE/SAME GOD) from the people (of AROB / Muhammadism) before us.

                                    This is but an innovation."

                                    so quranist are also wrong way of sunnatallah , and what do you follow ?? hadiths also ? or are you explaining only from the Quran ??

                                    why would God/Allah sent an warner now ??

                                    is the judgementday soon according to you ?if yes how long do we have ??

                                    again , are you visited by angels ? because every prophet were visited or touched by devine being ? right ... and you did they come to you also ?

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      laugh

                                      so quranist are also wrong way of sunnatallah

                                      Yes. Kafir of the Law of Nature (Sunnnatullah)... it's in their i'tiqad.


                                      and what do you follow ?? hadiths also ? or are you explaining only from the Quran ??

                                      My God is TRUTH... There is no god higher than Truth... regardless of religions and gods


                                      why would God/Allah sent an warner now ??

                                      Climate change and the sixth mass extinctions.... and so that His punishment is justified.

                                      Your Lord never destroys cities without FIRST SENDING A RASUL/FINAL in their midst, reciting to them OUR SIGNS. (2859)

                                      We send Our command/Final Rasulullah to (warn) its people living a life of ease but they act rebelliously in it. So the decree of punishment is justified, and We destroy it utterly. (1716)


                                      is the judgementday soon according to you ?if yes how long do we have ??

                                      There is no city We will not destroy BEFORE THE DAY OF RISING, Or punish with a terrible PUNISHMENT. (17.5

                                      the time need for the "terrible punishment".. but the door of tawba will be closed forever before the "terrible punishment".. no more tawba, soon.
                                      .


                                      again , are you visited by angels ? because every prophet were visited or touched by devine being ? right ... and you did they come to you also ?

                                      irrelevant, that's not the burden and standard of proof from the Quran...

                                      the standard and burden of proof is "sound argument"... natural person vs. mental disorder.

                                      IF you have doubts about what We have sent down to Our slave

                                      (Our LordLaw proves that We are Messengers 3616)

                                      https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610500.0
                                      https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610467.0

                                      https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50914168_2275082096041702_5794395058262245376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=24798717d98f7a7dd9ddfaf872c3511d&oe=5CBE9A52

                                      produce another sura (argument for "Law" / "Jurisprudential System&quot equal to it

                                      and call your witnesses, besides Allah / Sunnatullah / Law of Nature

                                      if you are telling the truth.

                                      IF you do not do that (counterargument)

                                      and you will not do it

                                      THEN fear the Fire whose fuel is people and stones,

                                      made ready for the kafirun.

                                      (223-24)

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                                      further question/argument should be made at my thread.. the above link. because; offtopic

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                                        kaltun
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                                        Slm MI ,

                                        My God is TRUTH... There is no god higher than Truth... regardless of religions and gods

                                        what truth ?? from the Quran ??

                                        i mean, i dont speak Quran- Arabic ( heck no arabic at all), i am trying to solve Quran message . .and now you telling me i am walking the wrong path ( like 17)

                                        so should i trow the Quran away ?? if yes how can i find the truth ???

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                                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                          what truth ?? from the Quran ??

                                          Nature...and about the Quran.. .

                                          That depends on how you define the Quran... without the #strawman fallacy.

                                          Muslim is THE STRAWMAN
                                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610498.msg422356

                                          so what is Quran Alone? police

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