Difference between بسم (Bismi) and باسم (Bi-Ismi)
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Salam!
Dear brothers and sister! I started studying Al-Quran more than two years back from now as a truth-seeker. I set the following Ayats as a Guidance and tried to be neutral/impartial during the study
No. 1 Allah has gifted us with Eyes/Sight, Ears/Hearing and Hearts/Intellect so that we can gain knowledge and understand our matters and the signs of Allah
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017036 Do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed hearing, eyesight, and the heart?all of these are accountable._
016078 Allah has brought you forth from the bellies of your mothers while you did not know anything. He made for you hearing, eyesight, and hearts so that you may give thanks._
046026 Certainly We had granted them power in respects that We have not granted you, and We had vested them with hearing and sight and hearts. But neither their hearing availed them in any way nor did their sight, nor their hearts when they used to impugn the signs of Allah. So they were besieged by what they used to deride.No. 2 The message of Al-Quran should have consistency and so in the understanding of its message. This even judges between people who have different understandings
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004082 Do they not contemplate the Quran? Had it been from other than Allah, they would have surely found much incongruity in it._
002113 The Jews say, 'The Christians stand not on anything'; the Christians say, 'The Jews stand not on anything'; yet they recite the Book. So too the ignorant say the like of them. God shall decide between them on the Day of Resurrection touching their differences.
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016064 And We have not sent down upon thee the Book except that thou mayest make clear to them that whereon they were at variance, and as a guidance and as a mercy to a people who believe.
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042010 Whatever thing you may differ about, its judgement is with Allah. That is Allah, my Lord. In Him, I have put my trust, and to Him do I turn penitently.No. 3 No one can change the words of Allah
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006034 Messengers were certainly denied before you, yet they patiently bore being denied and tormented until Our help came to them. Nothing can change the words of Allah, and there have certainly come to you some of the accounts of the Messengers.
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006115 The word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and justice. Nothing can change His words, and He is the All-hearing, the All-knowing.So when I started studying, the very first Ayah/Ayat in almost all the copies of Al-Quran was and the very first word was and almost all translators, tafseers/exegeses writers and dictionaries translated it as ?In the name of? or ?with the name? as its meaning. They say that it is actually the word and the Alif has been dropped due to some certain reasons. I was not satisfied because I could see the difference between the two words. I tried to verify it from Al-Quran itself. Please check the below references yourself and tell me if you also see the difference or not
- 113 times in the beginning of every Surah except Surah No. 9
- 1 time in Surah No. 27
_ - 1 time where only the words/phrase appeared
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Notice that there is no ?Alif? even if the word is used within the lines and not in the beginning of a Surah.
On the other hand the word is also used many times in Al-Quran.. See references below
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_So, brothers and sisters! I see the difference between and . ?Alif? is not dropped. Why?
Isn?t letter is used as a as most of the grammar experts explain the word .
I believe that the two words cannot have the same meaning. I will only believe in it when I will follow others than Allah or the Quran.Here is another occurrence of the word
_All translators have used the words ?smiled? or ?laughed? or ?amused? for translation of this verse because it is based on the Arabic root word which means ?He smiled? So the word means smile (or pleasure/amusement).
Please use your sight and verify for yourself.In case you feel difficulty in Arabic, here are the Transliterations for both Ayats which I quoted earlier
https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/1/1/default.htm
Transliteration Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi
Transliteration-2 bis'mi l-lahi l-ramni l-ramihttps//www.islamawakened.com/quran/96/1/default.htm
Transliteration Iqra/ bi-ismi rabbika allathee khalaqa
Transliteration-2 iq'ra bi-is'mi rabbika alladh khalaqaThis is how I learnt the first word and the first Ayat?s meaning. I believe that no one can change the ?words? of Allah.
PLEASURE/SMILE OF ALLAH, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE EVER-MERCIFUL!Now let?s use this meaning in the following Ayats and see the difference
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My translation And he said board/embark in it, pleasure/smile of Allah starts/runs it and stops/anchors it. Indeed my Lord/Nourisher is surely Oft-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful.My translation; She said, ?O chiefs! Indeed a venerable writing is delivered to me. Indeed it is from Suleiman? (Saying) ?And indeed it is pleasure of Allah, the Most-Compassionate, and the Most Merciful that not you wish eminence above Me and come to Me in submission/Muslimeen?.
Suleiman did not ask the queen to submit herself to Suleiman but he delivered her the message of Allah in which Allah's Ayat was quoted.
Muslimeen are those who submit to Allah!
May Allah bless and guide us all!
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As per my understanding of Quran Mohamed was the only prophet for Arabs...
So bismillah Rahman Raheem is not one of the typical. Same verse in the book of prophet Sulaiman.... He wouldn't have said the same but perhaps in his own language.. Coz God reveals in language of the prophets and their people...
What could that be that he wrote to Sheba saying equivalent to bismillah Rahman Raheem....
It seems like it was the beginning of his letter while sheba read it... It could be in the OR with the name of...... ....... ...... But not Arabic version...
Or was it in Sheba's language -
As per my understanding of Quran Mohamed was the only prophet for Arabs...
So bismillah Rahman Raheem is not one of the typical. Same verse in the book of prophet Sulaiman.... He wouldn't have said the same but perhaps in his own language.. Coz God reveals in language of the prophets and their people...
What could that be that he wrote to Sheba saying equivalent to bismillah Rahman Raheem....
It seems like it was the beginning of his letter while sheba read it... It could be in the OR with the name of...... ....... ...... But not Arabic version...
Or was it in Sheba's languageSalam Jkhan!
You have raised questions for my future articles.
Why do you understand that Mohammad was the only prophet for ARABS? Arabs called themselves from the progeny of the prophet Ismail. Wasn't Ismail a prophet ? Didn't he live near the "Baytika Al-Muharram" ? Didn't he built 'The Bayt' with his father Ibrahim ? Where in the Quran, Allah has addressed to "Bani Ismail" or said "Oh Arabs!" Please dig the Quran and share your findings.Secondly, do you consider each and every sentence in Quran as an Ayah/Sign/Qawl of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala?
See the below Ayah for example
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028038 And Pharaoh said "O chiefs! I know not that ye have a god other than me, so kindle for me (a fire), O Haman, to bake the mud; and set up for me a lofty tower in order that I may survey the god of Moses; and lo! I deem him of the liars."
How much Thawab would I get by reciting this Ayah for 100,000 times?"Bismillahi ArRahmani ArRahimi" What did you read? Is it written in Arabic? Who told you that it is an Ayah? Don't you think It is a piece of an Ayah in Surah An-Namal. Here is the whole Ayah
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027030 Lo! it is from Solomon, and lo! it is In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful;
Where it says that the letter from Suleiman had Bismillah on top/in the begnning?Sauleiman A.S communicated with Sabaian Queen in a language known to him, her or both of them. I think every nation may have atleast one translator in every era.
Was the language of Allah, Adam, Iblis and Malaika same at the time of Adam's creation? What language was that?
Science says as follows
For a long time, humans used primitive sounds and gestures as their means of communication. Structured languages were seen in scriptures that were written about 10,000 years ago.Peace!
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As per my understanding of Quran Mohamed was the only prophet for Arabs...
So bismillah Rahman Raheem is not one of the typical. Same verse in the book of prophet Sulaiman.... He wouldn't have said the same but perhaps in his own language.. Coz God reveals in language of the prophets and their people...
What could that be that he wrote to Sheba saying equivalent to bismillah Rahman Raheem....
It seems like it was the beginning of his letter while sheba read it... It could be in the OR with the name of...... ....... ...... But not Arabic version...
Or was it in Sheba's languageSomewhat agreed to the red part.
The whole Quran is 'Words of Allah', which cannot be changed. But every word have a meaning which can be understood to some extent and able to convey the message. Otherwise words could become useless.
An example
*I ate an apple.
*I consumed an apple.
Didn't you get the same understanding/meaning?
But when a car consumes fuel, you cannot say it ate the fuel.Hope you understand what I want to say because |I am not good in English.
Peace!
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Salam Kaltun!
He does not even know what "Mahdi" means. LOL!
Peace!
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Salam Kaltun!
I have given transliterations of both words and shared the link too. You can check transliterations from other sites/ translations as well.
= Bi-ism
= bismPeace!
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Salam Kaltun!
I have given transliterations of both words and shared the link too. You can check transliterations from other sites/ translations as well.
= Bi-ism
= bismPeace!
alsm bro,
writing is not my strongest )
bi-ism ==> prenouncing beesem
https//translate.google.com/?um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=nl&client=tw-ob#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&tl=nl&text=beesm ( click on loudspeaker left under to hear it)
right ?
and bism is bism -
Salam Kaltun!
It is Arabic and not Dutch or any European language. You may not write well but you can SEE the difference between two words regardless of the language. Don't you?
Peace!
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Salam Jkhan!
You have raised questions for my future articles.
Why do you understand that Mohammad was the only prophet for ARABS? Arabs called themselves from the progeny of the prophet Ismail. Wasn't Ismail a prophet ? Didn't he live near the "Baytika Al-Muharram" ? Didn't he built 'The Bayt' with his father Ibrahim ? Where in the Quran, Allah has addressed to "Bani Ismail" or said "Oh Arabs!" Please dig the Quran and share your findings.Secondly, do you consider each and every sentence in Quran as an Ayah/Sign/Qawl of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala?
See the below Ayah for example
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028038 And Pharaoh said "O chiefs! I know not that ye have a god other than me, so kindle for me (a fire), O Haman, to bake the mud; and set up for me a lofty tower in order that I may survey the god of Moses; and lo! I deem him of the liars."
How much Thawab would I get by reciting this Ayah for 100,000 times?"Bismillahi ArRahmani ArRahimi" What did you read? Is it written in Arabic? Who told you that it is an Ayah? Don't you think It is a piece of an Ayah in Surah An-Namal. Here is the whole Ayah
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027030 Lo! it is from Solomon, and lo! it is In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful;
Where it says that the letter from Suleiman had Bismillah on top/in the begnning?Sauleiman A.S communicated with Sabaian Queen in a language known to him, her or both of them. I think every nation may have atleast one translator in every era.
Was the language of Allah, Adam, Iblis and Malaika same at the time of Adam's creation? What language was that?
Science says as follows
For a long time, humans used primitive sounds and gestures as their means of communication. Structured languages were seen in scriptures that were written about 10,000 years ago.Peace!
Peace TMTT
my knowledge in this topic is very weak...
I said as per my understanding... Why she took only bismillah Rahman Raheem....
Do you say there were prophets who were Arabs? Got to research... But what I understood is only Mohamed based few verses.. But never researched completely.... -
@TMTT
Bit opposite view to what you said... " Whole quran is word of God""
But I prefer to say whole Quran is from God and not all words of Quran are God's ....
No need need to dig this topic... Coz it will go off topic... Wince I see verses like God is poor we are rich.... That's not words of God... Words of people quoted by author in the Quran... GOD didn't say it people said...
Sane like a news paper.... You see lots of quotes... But it is not the word of author...
Let's keep it with topic bismillah -
Peace TMTT
my knowledge in this topic is very weak...
I said as per my understanding... Why she took only bismillah Rahman Raheem....
Do you say there were prophets who were Arabs? Got to research... But what I understood is only Mohamed based few verses.. But never researched completely....Salam Jkhan!
Simply tell where Ismael A.S who was a Rasool and a Prophet and a son of Ibrahim A.S lived?To your question in red part above
My translation;
She said, ?O chiefs! Indeed a venerable writing is delivered to me. Indeed it is from Suleiman? (Saying) ?And indeed it is pleasure of Allah, the Most-Compassionate, and the Most Merciful that not you wish eminence above Me and come to Me in submission/Muslimeen?.Peace!
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@TMTT
Bit opposite view to what you said... " Whole quran is word of God""
But I prefer to say whole Quran is from God and not all words of Quran are God's ....
No need need to dig this topic... Coz it will go off topic... Wince I see verses like God is poor we are rich.... That's not words of God... Words of people quoted by author in the Quran... GOD didn't say it people said...
Sane like a news paper.... You see lots of quotes... But it is not the word of author...
Let's keep it with topic bismillahSalam Jkhan!
I think here you are contradicting your own previous statement
As per my understanding of Quran Mohamed was the only prophet for Arabs...
So bismillah Rahman Raheem is not one of the typical. Same verse in the book of prophet Sulaiman.... He wouldn't have said the same but perhaps in his own language.. Coz God reveals in language of the prophets and their people...
What could that be that he wrote to Sheba saying equivalent to bismillah Rahman Raheem....
It seems like it was the beginning of his letter while sheba read it... It could be in the OR with the name of...... ....... ...... But not Arabic version...
Or was it in Sheba's languagePeace!
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Salam Jkhan!
Simply tell where Ismael A.S who was a Rasool and a Prophet and a son of Ibrahim A.S lived?To your question in red part above
My translation;
She said, ?O chiefs! Indeed a venerable writing is delivered to me. Indeed it is from Suleiman? (Saying) ?And indeed it is pleasure of Allah, the Most-Compassionate, and the Most Merciful that not you wish eminence above Me and come to Me in submission/Muslimeen?.Peace!
Peace TMTT
I am afraid to state what's have no knowledge... In fact I have to study and research about Mohamed is the only prophet in Arabic language or for Arabs or there were prophets... But my very light memories say that could be right... But I will in sha Allah come back to you TMTT... but you have brought a very good topic which made me to ponder and research on a matter which I have not touched yet...BTW.. I don't think there is any proof that Ismail was an Arab or lived in Macca or the sent to a community where Arabs lived... I wonder even Arabs are that old community.... Date back to Ibrahim.... Is Arabic the root of languages at middle east or others... That will solve.. Anyhow let me research...
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TMTT
I doubled checked.. I still feel when I read Arabic and translation and my own understanding.... Letter from Suleiman starts Bismillah Rahman Raheem.... I don't see any other option...
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Dear Jkhan!
Can you see that there is used twice in 2729? Isn't it the start of two (02) statements?
There are 19 Ayats, which start with this word e.g., 1699, 2072, 21110, 23109, 26220, 2730, 3781, 37111, 37132, 5677, 33175, and more.Peace!
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Dear Jkhan!
Can you see that there is used twice in 2729? Isn't it the start of two (02) statements?
There are 19 Ayats, which start with this word e.g., 1699, 2072, 21110, 23109, 26220, 2730, 3781, 37111, 37132, 5677, 33175, and more.Peace!
I will check the verses references you furnished....
But only with the particular verse... It seems She says Sulaiman letter starts bismillah... Let's see... -
Dear brother TMTT and everyone Peace...
What do you get by below verses... Does it say Arabs were given scriptures before... These verses addressing to the people of Mohamed incontrovertibly... Two groups here are Jews and Christian to whome God revealed Books in their own languages... But for Arabs it seems not till it was revealed to Mohamed who lived not far from these two groups (for me Mohamed was a Nabatean Arab after migration and before also not far)... Here God refers two groups starting from musa till Isa... But classification of jews and Christian is people choice during that period.
But Ibrahim lived well before musa... If any of the evidence left to call Ibrahim and Ismail were prophets for Arabs then then the classic evidence could be remnant of Ibrahim's book with the people of Arab in their language .. Specially the ancient Arab Nabatean.. But no such Archealogical remnant left to support... What language Ibrahim Ismail Lot or ishhaq or yakub or even Yousuf spoke is mystery... But clearly they were not Jews or Christians but it doesn't mean they didn't speak Aramaic or Hebrew any such old languages . They would have or may not. But we don't find any other older language to Hebrew /Aramaic / Akkadian in that Area amongst Semitic languages.. Arabic is most widely spoken language in that area since many centuries to now.. It shows that Arabic is a very latest language.. Coz what is most spreading is only the latest version and not the oldest version..thats the pattern of the world. But history shows Akkadian is the oldest of the languages of this area though root for all Semitic languages is probably Aramaic/hebrew... Those who are well versed in such will know from where all started... But, definitely not Arabic... Arabic seems very latest language on the region deriving all dialects from Hebrew and Aramaic... God knows best...6155 "And this is a blessed Scripture which We have revealed. So follow it and ward off (evil), that ye may find mercy"
6156 " lest you should say, 'The Book was sent down only upon two parties before us, and we have indeed been heedless of their study'"
6157 " Or lest ye should say If the Scripture had been revealed unto us, we surely had been better guided than are they. Now hath there come unto you a clear proof from your Lord, a guidance and mercy; and who doeth greater wrong than he who denieth the revelations of Allah, and turneth away from them? We award unto those who turn away from Our revelations an evil doom because of their aversion."
We can't say that scriptures actually sent to the communities of Jews and Christians of Mohamed time.. Of course not but it was sent many 100s of years back... But still called scriptures sent to two groups among them...coz they are the followers of them.. So it shows Arabs were not sent any such scriptures till Mohamed.. Taking Ibrahim or Ismail as Arab is far from reality... I don't think there were Arabs/arabic language in the time of Ibrahim...
Take look at the below verse.. 2948
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Neither did you (O Muhammad SAW) read any book before it (this Quran), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand. In that case, indeed, the followers of falsehood might have doubted."It doesn't say Mohamed is illiterate but it says He has no such exposure to scriptures... Neither the scriptures of two groups or of his own ancestors... Nothing in Arabic... This seems the beginning... It was mercy for Arabs and to the world...
God guide us...This is my understanding to date dear TMTT... Lot to research though...any flaws pls point out....