Salat - établir le lien avec Allah - méditation
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Bonjour,
Hier j'ai passé en revue les articles de Wakas sur l'analyse du sen de la salat, sujud, hajj.., excellentes analyses à la lumière du coran, merci pour votre travail.
15 ans après mon premier passage dans ce forum en 2004, voici l'évolution de ma compréhension de la salat. Comme l'a dit Wakas, la salat est un moment qui peut être dédié à la lecture du coran, l'étudier, le rappel de Dieu et de ses commandements pour les suivre de près au quotidien.
La salat est un moyen, la finalité est d'établir la connexion avec Allah dans son cœur. Pour établir cette connexion, il est primordial d'être dans un état méditatif, être en contact avec son corps physique qui est la principale porte d'accès au divin en nous, observer le silence en soi est un excellent moyen pour établir le contact avec le divin.Quand ce contact est établi, selon mon expérience, on s'éveille à notre véritable nature, on accède à un paradis terrestre dans son cœur qui est pure amour, joie et paie et qui ne dépend d'aucune circonstance extérieure.
C'est le début de l'éveil, il n'est pas définitif, on passe par différentes étapes qui sont très pénibles à vivre avant d'atteindre l'éveil définitif. Certains appellent l'étape intermédiaire, la lessive ou la nuit noire de l'âme, une période qui peut durer plus ou moins longtemps et qui aboutit à l’effondrement de l'égo dont le siège est dans le mental. Cet effondrement est vécu comme un enfer dans sa chaire. On est obligé de le traverser pour atteindre le paradis dont le siège est dans le cœur. Etape nécessaire à la purification du cœur.
Aucune thérapie ni médicaments ne peut soulager cet état d’enfer émotionnel où les sens sont anesthésiés. La fin de l'enfer ne dépend d'aucune volonté personnelle, il cesse uniquement par la miséricorde et la grâce divine.Je vous cite quelques versets du coran pour illustrer mes propos.
Sourate 2 Al Baqara - La vache verset 214
Pensez-vous entrer au Paradis alors que vous n'avez pas encore subi des épreuves semblables à celles que subirent ceux qui vécurent avant vous ? Misère et maladie les avaient touchés; et ils furent secoués jusqu'à ce que le Messager, et avec lui, ceux qui avaient cru, se fussent écriés "Quand viendra le secours d'Allah ? " - Quoi ! Le secours d'Allah est sûrement proche.Sourate 19 MARYAM (MARIE)
71. Il n'y a personne parmi vous qui ne passera pas par Car pour ton Seigneur d'une sentence irrévocable.Salam
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Peace brother,
this is an English forum as far as i know. My base language is German but i still write in English here as well.
Dear Quincy...
I think you better call her Sister... Lol...
Btw don't restrict the one who comes in search of guidance... Anyone who knows French would probably have a conversation with her... Or else if anyone has extra time can always translate and cooperate with her... I don't think it is English forum with conditions... I don't know though still I didnt read the rules of forum...
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Peace, jkhan!
oh, i overlooked her gender ;D I just wondered because the website is only in english or arabic and i dont restrict her of anything brother, what makes you think that? The web is wide btw, guidance can be found anywhere.
Just your reply no. 01 propelled me to say that.... It's English forum means.. Indirectly you may be telling her to write either English or leave...though you didn't say so... Lol ... No grudges okay dude...
I feel sad when I heard about your leg... May Allah make your life easier.. -
Salam,
Pas de soucis, j'ai modifié mon profil après le 1e message de quincy.Faites comme moi, utilisez le traducteur de site pour comprendre le contenu de mes messages. Pas besoin de faire appel à une tierce personne pour traduire.
C'est une des raisons qui m'a poussée à quitter le forum, on a m'a demandée d'écrire en anglais. Ça ne m'a pas empêchée d'écrire plus de 1487 messages sous le pseudo de marie.
Voici le lien page 4
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Bienvenu copine Houriya.
C est vrais le language n est pas le plus important.
Partout dans le monde ,l internet nous permit de traduire toute les langue du monde.Ce quont dis- i.e le message - esi le plu important.
Au sujet du "Salat", le debat continue. La question que je pose est
Common Abraham et les generation apres lui ont fait le Salat?Je suis d accord avec le point Le Salat est . "Contact avec Allah".
GOD bless you.
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Thank you for your welcome. In surat alfatiha, we read guide us "sirat mustaqueem", which can be translated vertically way, that which goes from the head (mind) to the heart. When one is connected to one's heart, life becomes fluid and flows easily. We are naturally guided towards the right decisions. we become free internally.
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Peace Houriya.
Thank you for your reply.Yes indeed, "Sirat Al Mustaqueem" is a priority in the deen, In my view The Salat is also important but related to "Iyyaka Nastaeen".
- Wa Istaeenu Bi Al Sabri Wa Al Salat...
I find Qoran giving more importance to "Sirat Al Mustaqueem" and defines it clearly in the following
1-Ihdina Al Sirat Al Mustaqueem….What is this sirat Al Mustaqueem?
2- Wa Ma Khalktu Al Jinn Wa Insa Illa Li Yabuduni… Then , Wa An Ibuduni ,Hada Siratun Mustaquuem. So Sirat Al MUstaqueem is the Ibada of Allah i.e Following /mirroring the good attributes of Allah like Justice ,forgiveness, loving, humble, helpful...etc to be a straight /good morals and good conduct human being.(Following GOD s instructions/commands...)
3- Now the definition of the Sirat Al mustaqueem comes in the following versesSay, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill - God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."
قُل تَعالَوا أَتلُ ما حَرَّمَ رَبُّكُم عَلَيكُم أَلّا تُشرِكوا بِهِ شَيـًٔا وَبِالوٰلِدَينِ إِحسٰنًا وَلا تَقتُلوا أَولٰدَكُم مِن إِملٰقٍ نَحنُ نَرزُقُكُم وَإِيّاهُم وَلا تَقرَبُوا الفَوٰحِشَ ما ظَهَرَ مِنها وَما بَطَنَ وَلا تَقتُلُوا النَّفسَ الَّتى حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلّا بِالحَقِّ ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَعقِلونَ
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You shall not touch the orphans' money except in the most righteous manner, until they reach maturity. You shall give full weight and full measure when you trade, equitably. We do not burden any soul beyond its means. You shall be absolutely just when you bear witness, even against your relatives. You shall fulfill your covenant with God. These are His commandments to you, that you may take heed.
وَلا تَقرَبوا مالَ اليَتيمِ إِلّا بِالَّتى هِىَ أَحسَنُ حَتّىٰ يَبلُغَ أَشُدَّهُ وَأَوفُوا الكَيلَ وَالميزانَ بِالقِسطِ لا نُكَلِّفُ نَفسًا إِلّا وُسعَها وَإِذا قُلتُم فَاعدِلوا وَلَو كانَ ذا قُربىٰ وَبِعَهدِ اللَّهِ أَوفوا ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَذَكَّرونَ
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This is My path - a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other paths, lest they divert you from His path. These are His commandments to you, that you may be saved.
وَأَنَّ هٰذا صِرٰطى مُستَقيمًا فَاتَّبِعوهُ وَلا تَتَّبِعُوا السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُم عَن سَبيلِهِ ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَتَّقونَWhile the Salat is more food for the soul ,Sirat Al Mustaqueem is the basic requirement to be saved .
Basically to be a good human that follows GOD s commandments as per the above verses.
GOD bless you.
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I feel sad when I heard about your leg... May Allah make your life easier..
Thank you brother! But i already go used to it since i got it since childhood and with todays technology its not so bad, only inconvenient from time to time ;D
@Houriya Welcome to the Forum!
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Thank you brother! But i already go used to it since i got it since childhood and with todays technology its not so bad, only inconvenient from time to time ;D
I am really proud of your pleasant and brave approach to life...
God bless you to rest of your life here and the hereafter specially....
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Peace Houriya.
Indeed ,I agree GOD preserves His words, here are the verses about losing The Salat
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These are some of the prophets whom God blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ أَنعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِم مِنَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ ءادَمَ وَمِمَّن حَمَلنا مَعَ نوحٍ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَإِسرٰءيلَ وَمِمَّن هَدَينا وَاجتَبَينا إِذا تُتلىٰ عَلَيهِم ءايٰتُ الرَّحمٰنِ خَرّوا سُجَّدًا وَبُكِيًّا1959
After them, He substituted generations who lost the Salat, and pursued their lusts. They will suffer the consequences.
فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعدِهِم خَلفٌ أَضاعُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَاتَّبَعُوا الشَّهَوٰتِ فَسَوفَ يَلقَونَ غَيًّاSurely this is telling us that GOD preserves through His words and through the chosen people of the generations .
GOD bless you.
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Peace Houriya.
Indeed ,I agree GOD preserves His words, here are the verses about losing The Salat
1958
These are some of the prophets whom God blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ أَنعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِم مِنَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ ءادَمَ وَمِمَّن حَمَلنا مَعَ نوحٍ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَإِسرٰءيلَ وَمِمَّن هَدَينا وَاجتَبَينا إِذا تُتلىٰ عَلَيهِم ءايٰتُ الرَّحمٰنِ خَرّوا سُجَّدًا وَبُكِيًّا1959
After them, He substituted generations who lost the Salat, and pursued their lusts. They will suffer the consequences.
فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعدِهِم خَلفٌ أَضاعُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَاتَّبَعُوا الشَّهَوٰتِ فَسَوفَ يَلقَونَ غَيًّاSurely this is telling us that GOD preserves through His words and through the chosen people of the generations .
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace GL....
I wonder when it says they lost their Salat and follow lusts... Does it mean they still do Salat?..
If you take Salat as prayer in this verse or as Morals does it mean those in previous verse followed Salat while we see those nations destroyed except few....My main concern is is this current generation lost probably according to this verse.. Even if we take Salat as prayer or moral?
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Peace jkhan.
Itsays "The Salat", this is the same Salat that was taught to Abraham who asked for it as a "help from his Lord"- Rabi Ijalni Muqueem The Salat and my offspring-
I see it as a connection with GOD -contact prayer- to feed the soul. Since morals are part of the instinct of all humans.
GOD bless you.
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peace all,
Please note member goodlogic often claims salat was taught to Abraham (and passed down to us) but when questioned about it has very little to no Quranic evidence to back this up.
e.g. past discussions
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10279.msg410420#msg410420
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Peace All.
And here was my replyPeace Wakas.
I have provided you with verses on this topic numerous times in the past( 1440,2173,16123, 835,2014, and many other verses) . Please look for them through the search button.
Also I do not see your logic in asking me to provide evidence for "my take" on topics, when I say it is my view and provided verses that you may not agree with. You can take it or leave it.
But I am always .willing to provide verses as per my understanding from Qoran.Also this
Like I said to Wakas, it is my view and one has to study Qoran and get their understanding from its verses.
I do my "salat" at home at this moment. I do not go to a mosque as I do not agree with the traditional take on the deen. In my opinion it is not dedicated to GOD Alone and some of what they do contradicts instructions of Qoran.
I see my relationship with GOD Alone as personal . I try my best (Ma Istataatum) to follow a peaceful life with all the denominations as instructed by Qoran.Then this other reply
Peace Wakas.Thank you for your post.
Here are the verses you requested
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Muhammad A Follower of Abraham*
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Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.
ثُمَّ أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ أَنِ اتَّبِع مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَما كانَ مِنَ المُشرِكينَWe made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Salat and the Zakat....
Were these not verses from Qoran?
GOD bless you.
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peace all,
Please note member goodlogic often claims salat was taught to Abraham (and passed down to us) but when questioned about it has very little to no Quranic evidence to back this up.
e.g. past discussions
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10279.msg410420#msg410420
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606088.msg347663#msg347663I don't think there is anything specific to teach in Salat when it is meant prayer...
But I don't agree teaching to Ibrahim coz in the verse it is started with Nuh... So.. The same Salat was lost from Nuh.... If it actually taught to Ibrahim what then Nuh and many generations between nuh and Ibrahim practiced as Salat.... Anyhow that's a different point..
But no one answered my concern.... Is this generation lost its Salat (be it prayer or ethics or whatever closely going as mesnkng) and follows our own desire. Sunni and sia perform Salat... So something is around... Since we don't accept Sunni and shia to be following the right guidance as they follow all hadiths....so Salat what they do can also be off line .... But can't be called lost.. Can be? Unless Salat here is not prayer... Why lost and used the word then 'they follow' .... Then Desire or lust.... If they are wrong then only those who follow as guidance quran is minute population... So.. Is this generation lost ? Or is this generation lost all good ethics and follow own desire which is immoral.... Like all generations only minute believe in God.... But the verse in fact talked about a generation before Quran which should totally lost... No one believer performing moral or Salat . .isn't it? Coz nuh to Ibrahim had people in them who lost Salat....
