The fuel of hell and the new life forms of heaven
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Peace all,
From a previous discussion WHY IBLIS CANNOT BE OTHER THAN...HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8469.msg41678;topicseen#msg41678
In 6131, the word used is "al-ins" which is the singular form of "an-nass" present in 2273, with the help of the verse 1146, we can see this clearly.
Please note that "ins" is different from "insaane", and "jin" is different from "jaan" (as in 1527). My view is that "ins" and "jin" are two psychological aspects of the humans "bashar", some humans are more enclined to the aspect "ins" thus called "insaane", the others are more enclined to the "jin" aspect and thus called "jaan".
It's hard to distinguish between those words when reading a translation because translators generally translate "ins" "annas" and "insaane" and "bashar" as the same, which is confusing and sometimes leads to contradictions.
In my view,
Insaan refers to an extrovert person that prefers to be in community with other persons, and mixes well in social situations. Insaan comes from root alif-noun-seen, which means to socialise. An-naas is the plural of al-insaane.Jaan refers to an introvert or reserved person that prefers to be away from the crowd (and the eyes). Al-jinnatoo is the the plural of al-jaan.
All of us are made of the same basic components or atoms as mud, they are only arranged in different ways.
Bashar or homo sapiens is the species. When it acquires speech it becomes insaan or human.
Before the ability of speech, human's thoughts were hidden or from the jin. After acquiring speech, humans become able to show some bits of their thoughts or hidden world to others.
At the same times, it was made possible to tell lies, which was impossible before.
You can think of these steps like the growing steps of a new born baby (bashar) until he starts saying some words around 2 yo and making sentences around 4-5yo. This is where the kid's Ego develops making him aware of himself. This process took surely much more time before, and was a paradigm in human evolution.
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The imagination is a very powerful tool. It is used by tricksters, fraudsters, and con artists.
I agree lot of tricksters, fraudsters, con-artist, astrologer, palmist etc use different tools including fakery of showing something whats not true but its a trick/illusion of eye example like david copperfield in the field of magic and some ancient characters like samree and the magicians with pharoah.
BUT tricking someone and telling facts what is shocking are two different things as i know how that works. its one of my interesting topic of discussion in my case due to curiousity i been to that specific person once again with some of my friends to see once again becoz thats the only one person in my life what was not tricking but telling facts each and everysingle time whoever visits him.
Second time one of our friends CAR got stolen and he wanted to ask where is the car.
When we visit and we are 5 people in total he write something in paper in which he write the model of car, color of car, what time that get stolen, the purpose of visit etc. Without even we told anything to him. Everyone get shocked too before that they were making fun and was thinking i m just taking them to a random guy.
When someone do tricks they have their explaination how they do it but it was not a trick like vanishing a piece of cloth in circus magic it was something that make u think.
People claim it was the BEING jinn who is working as associate with them in that specific cases.
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BUT tricking someone and telling facts what is shocking are two different things as i know how that works. its one of my interesting topic of discussion in my case due to curiousity i been to that specific person once again with some of my friends to see once again becoz thats the only one person in my life what was not tricking but telling facts each and everysingle time whoever visits him.
Peace Imran,
Can't we imagine the complicity of one or several persons here ? Can't be the people who visit him already "conditioned" ?
Second time one of our friends CAR got stolen and he wanted to ask where is the car.
When we visit and we are 5 people in total he write something in paper in which he write the model of car, color of car, what time that get stolen, the purpose of visit etc. Without even we told anything to him. Everyone get shocked too before that they were making fun and was thinking i m just taking them to a random guy.
Can't it be possible that he heard you talking about the being stolen before ? Can't it be an accomplice or several even from one of your freind ?
When someone do tricks they have their explaination how they do it but it was not a trick like vanishing a piece of cloth in circus magic it was something that make u think.
People claim it was the BEING jinn who is working as associate with them in that specific cases.
It is people claim like you said and we know that people can say lies. Did you ask him ? Did he tell you he is working with a jin ? ( knowing he can lie about the how)
I mean it's important to ask questions to eliminate possibilities and not conclude directly to magic.
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Peace fadiva,
Read my first post what i wrote few days ago, perhaps you understand then.
That person i am talking about was miles away from our home city and how possibly he can hear anything when before even we tell him anything he infront of us write it down while he was writing he act like hes hearing from someone the voice what we all cant hear but he can.
When he finished writing then he fold that paper and give it to one of us and then je asked why u came here, the guy just told him someone stole his car then he said ok thats enough now you can open the paper what i ve given you and all details were already there, like color of car, model and make, exact time of event when car get stole.
And it was my second visit to him my first visit u can read in my post perhaps u understand, the only thing whats interesting is there is a difference between tricks and cracking of magic tricks and telling someone facts which is not possible for a stranger to know.
I am saying it only becoz i didnot hear from someone but its my own first hand witness experience. Twice he surprised me.
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Peace imrankhawaja,
You wrote 3 weeks ago
I quote "Whats about the personal experience of someone?
Example in my case many years ago i met a person who claimed to have jinn who tell him things and first time he saw me and told me things what really shocked me like, my name, the purpose of my visit, even he tell a thing what really amaze me i was with two of my aunts who were sisters to eachother and also their kids married with eachother and person ask from my aunts whats ur relation to eachother and they said, we are sisters. He laughed and said you have another relation and they both get shocked too.
What i saw as a first hand witness i cant deny how you will see at those events?"
And a few days ago, I quote
"BUT tricking someone and telling facts what is shocking are two different things as i know how that works. its one of my interesting topic of discussion in my case due to curiousity i been to that specific person once again with some of my friends to see once again becoz thats the only one person in my life what was not tricking but telling facts each and everysingle time whoever visits him.
Second time one of our friends CAR got stolen and he wanted to ask where is the car.
When we visit and we are 5 people in total he write something in paper in which he write the model of car, color of car, what time that get stolen, the purpose of visit etc. Without even we told anything to him. Everyone get shocked too before that they were making fun and was thinking i m just taking them to a random guy.
When someone do tricks they have their explaination how they do it but it was not a trick like vanishing a piece of cloth in circus magic it was something that make u think.
People claim it was the BEING jinn who is working as associate with them in that specific cases. " Unquote
Sometimes we can't remember well was that specific person you told you he is helped by a jin or people ? Both ?
The fisrt time he told you directly the things (what I understood) and the second time he prefered to write...why ?
I quote an extract of your message" i was with two of my aunts who were sisters to eachother and also their kids married with eachother and person ask from my aunts whats ur relation to eachother and they said, we are sisters. He laughed and said you have another relation and they both get shocked too."
What is shocking about saying there is another relation ? Which is something quite woolly/vague.
Knowing your name and the purpose of your visite ( if precise) seems to be impressive.
But we don't have the details of what hapenned and our brain can focus on a few things and forget or not even notice other things, tha's why it can be deceived.
At the end did this man tell you were was the stolen car ( if asked) ?
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Salam!
Brother Aymen, I am trying to translate 727 according to you definition of jinn, i.e., fantasy/imagination/falsehood. Please help
“O Children of Adam! Let not Shaytan/fantasy/imagination/ falsehood deceive you, as he/it got your parents out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he/its and Qabiluhu/its tribes/its different types "see" you from where you "cannot see" them.”
How come our fantasies/ imaginations/ falsehood can see humans but humans cannot see them?
Peace! -
BUT tricking someone and telling facts what is shocking are two different things as i know how that works. its one of my interesting topic of discussion in my case due to curiousity i been to that specific person once again with some of my friends to see once again becoz thats the only one person in my life what was not tricking but telling facts each and everysingle time whoever visits him.
Second time one of our friends CAR got stolen and he wanted to ask where is the car.
When we visit and we are 5 people in total he write something in paper in which he write the model of car, color of car, what time that get stolen, the purpose of visit etc. Without even we told anything to him. Everyone get shocked too before that they were making fun and was thinking i m just taking them to a random guy.
When someone do tricks they have their explaination how they do it but it was not a trick like vanishing a piece of cloth in circus magic it was something that make u think.
People claim it was the BEING jinn who is working as associate with them in that specific cases.
Judgmental people often too quick to judge, especially on the things that they don't know, a sign of their own ignorance actually...
If we met people who are living in 1400 years ago mindset, they will also say that there are jinns that's speaking through the small box, upon seeing other people talking to each others using a cell phone. No knowledge about electricity, electro magnetism or radio frequency. rotfl
When we don't know it's better to honestly admit we don't know rather than believe on something or making a baseless claim, let alone forcing their believe and claim upon others. rotfl
Because when we admit we don't know, then knowing will become a possibility....
When we invested an effort and time to study it...Back to the 'special person' that's being mentioned here..
There is a 'technology' called Remote Viewing.
It's a 'natural technology' that can be learned and there are some people who were born with this capability naturally..
It's now commonly used by intelligence agencies, as it's a great way to spy.
I read somewhere a paper by CIA on this technique as it has been declassified, you can search it further.And the good news is you can learn it too! if you want, and have the strong will and dedication to do so.
So it's not 'exclusive only to special person chosen by God' or let alone 'only jinn can do it'...
An introduction on the technique https//www.psychicgurus.org/how-to-remote-view/Yes it can also work not only to 'different place' but also 'different time', as time and space is one dimension.
As for the time, it work well to the 'past' but 'future' is quite blurry... as it seems the future is a probabilistic vortex. -
Imran,
Still on the stolen car?, yes here too we have many people claiming to do such things, they will put some black ink on a betel leaf and claim to see the stolen things, only with their eyes and get money or gifts for their service.
Its all some imagination and prior preparation to amaze innocent gullible people, like the magic shows we see on TV. Now a days any information is accessible right in our hands and people could take with just within seconds. The thing amazing is how well they are able to hide the way from others knowing those techniques.
here in our place long back they call magic shows by the name "eye hiding shows" and not Magic.
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Guys @ jaffar, amin, fadiva,
Hope u all doing well.
Lets clear it first, whenever i try to precise the posts i ll have to explain it again for details so bare with me in this long post as it appears its gona be long lol.
Part 1ST about that character
Part 2nd about that interesting topic we didnt do the justice what that topic deserved.Part 1st.
When i was 8 or 9 nine years old first time in my life i heard about that person.
My uncle lost his diamond RING and it was joint family system. So they decided to visit someone who can tell them who stole it..My mom was also with that my uncle and aunts. He correctly told them who stole it and amazingly upon asking from that person he acknowledges it.
Second part of the same story my mom was makin a decision in her heart that she will not gona come again to these places again and shockingly he said to my mom i know you will not come at this place again. (at that time my mom was thinking its against islam to seek help other than God lol)
Then few years later my cuz lost his phone and he identify the person again.
Now about me i had interest in all those things since i was kid i e magic, jinns, supernatural etc. Will discuss it in second part..
Then when i lost my phone and i been to him for the first time.
Second time my frd lost his car. @ fadiva both of the times he write it down before even asking us the purpose of visit. Thats his method that applied to all the visitors.Its not my believe or claim but people claimed he got JINN or MOKILS.
About me i m still admitting as jafar said i really dont know how he knew all of that and incase anyone can know all of that in my 37 yrs life he was the only person who amaze me the way he tell things. On top of that i dnt really know what is the source of his information..Adding some things to jafar words i tend to agree at some point of jafar coz few years ago i heard he stopped doing that anymore due to a reason police wanted to ask from him about a robbery and he refused to help as he dnt want to involve in gov matters so the police beat him up badly thats the last i hear about him many years ago.
2nd Part
Guys i know the difference between magic, circus magic, tricks, illusions and also how they works due to my interest in those things i myself knows some tricks with playing cards and some other things what make people amaze and they think i m some kind of magician. But in relaity i know its not really magic its the trick what i did with their eyes my hands so dam quick to show them what i want to show them or make them think what i want to make them think and also it took a lot of practise before u can confident to do it.i also learned it from someone else.
David copperfield do the same at more advance level.
Magician in circus do the same
Lot of con artist do the same
Lot of fake BABA do the same
And interestingly i already know how all that works.
@amin these two situations are different.
@jafar thanks for the link i will go into it as it appears i still did not crack how all it happened.
I m just touching the PAST part of topic this topic also need a FUTURE part some claimed to do that too but i think its better to move step by step.
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salam
only The God can create. nothing and no else can create. ao obviously He created everything including paradise and hell.
but if you meed verses well we are also told He that created everything (754) so everything includes everything (paradise and hell included)
we are told in 18102 that God prepared hell for the disbelievers
in any case only The God has power over creation and power to create
peace
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salam
my take
humans do not create their own havens/heaven or hell
God creates
humans are given permission by God to either submit to Him willingly or reject (but in fine submit even if unwillingly on day of judgment)
those who strive in their worship of Him and do good deeds may perhaps hope for paradise God willing and they will have what their souls wish for as per my understanding
God gave His creation a very straightforward system... strive in your worship of Him !
those who reject even if they do good deeds are destined to hell as per my understanding and hell i believe is the earth
my point is we do not create anything we just strive and hope for His mercy..
peace
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Hi,
My thought is the following
Could be Humans are creating their own "Haven" or "Hell" based on their deeds.
Peace
I agree with that, we generate the consequences, the results of our deeds and ommissions. The word create, using it in a language other than the Qur'an is confusing, because we understand many things by create, and there are many words in the Qur'an that are translated equally by create, so we get carried in the debate of who can create or not and the fact is that we may be talking about different things.
If we create our deeds so that hey cause misfortune and anger, we will find that, that will be our hell, that is the mizan which rules absolutely all existence.
Salaam
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My thought is the following
Could be Humans are creating their own "Haven" or "Hell" based on their deeds.
Every soul shall be attracted to the realms which matches with his/her personality...
Just like listening to radio station, but there is NOT ONLY 2 radio stations, there are many, hundreds, thousands, millions or perhaps unlimited.
And those who like Jazz shall tune out to the jazz radio station. those who like stand up comedy will tune to the comedy station and so on...A realm where there's no chance of dominating and enslaving others, no possibility of invading or making a war with others might not be too interesting for a warlord.
He / she will be tuned in to the realm where there's ample opportunity to enslave people, warring with someone and do the things he / she loved the most and experiencing the things that he / she loved the most. (#hate, #fear, #pride)A realm where there are enslavement of 72 virgins might not be considered as "Heaven" for a human rights activist. He / she will consider it as "Hell", he / she will either leave the realm or try to change the realm by trying to free all enslaved virgins. If it's actually the experience of 'freeing enslaved person' is an experience which actually he / she desire the most.
In the end, everybody will get what they wish for...