Almost all pagans are pantheists
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Almost all pagans are pantheists.
Pagans who worship idols or humans are aware that the things they worship are not gods. But in their perverted pantheistic philosophy, they see what they worship as a reflection, a manifestation, a part of God. Thus, they fall into the trap of the devil. They think they are monotheists, but they are actually polytheists.
The fact that the pharaoh sees himself as a Lord is also the result of this pantheist philosophy. He thought of himself as the reflection, that is, the manifestation of God. Like all pantheists, he worshiped himself and the universe.
The Holy Qur'an clearly explains these facts. At the moment, the only real holy book we have is the Qur'an. On the other hand, the elites hiding the books like the Torah and gave the Fake Torah and false Bibles to the people(hadith books).
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Peace,
pantheism is a belief the wrong way around, the universe is not the source of reality, nor is a god, both these beliefs are completely wrong, and absolutely no evidence supports these confusions.
The belief you are a god would again be a confusion, as no god can exist, although every soul is a fractal expression of the entirety of the single consciousness, neither the single consciousness repeating nor the expression of that fractal repetition are gods.
The Qur'an is a claim, it is not in any way evidence, nor can it be reference as if it were evidence, it could only be used as a reference to examine the shared perception we are living, in order to determine what reality truly is from the practical evidence of the shared perception, which is built upon repeating patterns, when these patterns are iidentified they repeat from the micro to the macro, and through these patterns reality can be examined and explained.
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1- After accepting that the Qur'an is the word of Allah based on the evidence, what the Qur'an says is also evidence.
2- We have not got souls https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611412.0
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No, the book is always a claim, if you have evidence of a god provide it, but even with evidence it remains a claim not evidence, which is the reason it states every verse must be proven before it is accepted.
The soul is anima, anima is the source of existence, empathic consciousness could be a synonym of soul, without empathy there is no soul, as we are a single fractal consciousness, hence the ability to enjoy a shared perception, this one on Earth or an infinity of others.
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No, you are wrong.
1- After accepting that the Qur'an is the word of Allah based on the evidence, what the Qur'an says is also evidence.
Because It is based on conclusive proof that it is the word of God and has been preserved to this day. and so All that the Qur'an says is based on evidence. Because God is infallible and God does not lie.
2- We have not got souls. We have got nafs/nefs.
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No, you are completely wrong.
You are not using your mind, you are mechanically repeating your dogma.
The Qur'an asks you to believe in true knowledge based entirely on proof. and forbids things that are not based on proof, that is, superstitions. Therefore, we are obliged to believe in the truth. And that is why we are obliged to stay away from superstitions.
The authenticity and preservation of the Qur'an is based on word-for-word proof. Therefore, all the information given by the Qur'an is based on proof. Because it is the word of God.
And we have not got souls.
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No, the book is always a claim, if you have evidence of a god provide it, but even with evidence it remains a claim not evidence, which is the reason it states every verse must be proven before it is accepted.
Try following the book. That's the way to evidence even for existence of God.
we are a single fractal consciousness
Reference? I'm just curious about things like that.
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The evidence and reasoning of that evidence, of this shared reality, demonstrates the fractal structure, with a shared perceptual reality of a single consciousness
https//earthcoinage.com/about-us/
Any book of religion is only a claim, it can be nothing else, it does not change if you believe it is more, it still remains a book of claims, which require proving before anyone, including anyone delusional enough to take a claim without determine it is true, as true.
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Abdun Nur.
You say Qoran is words/claims and your link is also words/claims. It is subject to people s scrutiny and understanding.
The difference I see is that yours is humanmade with clear evidence it is from you.
Who s words /claims are Qoran? What evidence do you have for it?One puts the words into scrutiny to see if it is the truth or falsehood or put on hold if they do not know yet..
Would you say your evidence for your words is strong and that of Qoran is not? Then this also needs evidence.This is what I am reading from this conversation/thread.
GOD bless you.
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It is for you to find the evidence to support or refute each verse of any text, a medical claim, a scientific claim, a religious claim or a political claim, it is accepting blindly that is an act of utter stupidity, I may present the logic and evidence of my claim, it is up to the reader to determine if that stands up to scrutiny, using reason and evidence to support or refute, this is stated in the Qur'an itself, prove yourself every verse before it is accepted as true.
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Have you done that with Qoran verses?
I am interested to know your findings about the book.
Of course I agree with you that it is up to me to check everything for myself. However how can we check for each other?
Or are you saying we should all agree the same? Or do you mean if it does not match with your reasoning it is wrong?If you are saying it is up to me to convince you with my evidence, then I can only prove to you that I am not convinced by your evidence because we differ in the understanding of GOD.
Anarchy to me cannot exist if GOD exists.
By definition ,GOD creates,owns and rules. Everything belongs to GOD. We all do ,all the created. Without GOD nothing can exist.
GOD bless you.
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It is no one else's job to form YOUR beliefs, but if you care about your soul you should care more than life itself about YOUR beliefs, holding a false belief is very damaging to YOUR perception, as we are a single consciousness fractally structured, your failure effects me as it does every expression of the fractal form of the single consciousness, so for the growth of my own fractal expression of consciousness aiding all expressions to develop reasoned beliefs aids myself.
The Qur'an in its present translations is for the most part worthless, so corrupted through translation it is very difficult to gain much, except basic concepts, these basic concepts are comprehensively ignored by those calling themselves Muslim.
Your investment in the Ba'alist God concept is common, Ba'alim presently dominates humanity through hierarchy, the five forms of riba and imposed monopolies, trying to over come the god delusion for most will be an impossible achievemnet, as they are blindly invested in that Ba'alist structure of perception, the sovereigns, authority, heiarchical mafias, psychopathic monopolies form their perceptual reality, and they worship it all,and their ignorance is worn as a badge of honour.
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Almost all pagans are pantheists.
Pagans who worship idols or humans are aware that the things they worship are not gods. But in their perverted pantheistic philosophy, they see what they worship as a reflection, a manifestation, a part of God. Thus, they fall into the trap of the devil. They think they are monotheists, but they are actually polytheists.
Yes, but whats the meaning of worship? you cant praise a thing, without understanding the greatness of it, how many of present day muslims understood the truth behind masjid al haram, if its considered a physical sacred place, then there's no difference between the paganic worship and muslim worship? But Quran has explained it well i think, by saying east and west doesnt matter.
I don't find fault in many of the rituals/rules people have, if it all serves some purpose in the name of Goodness, the evilness comes when there suppression of rights, falsehood, cheating and suffering etc steps in, in other words we can say, those not supported by the grand superior force.
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The evidence and reasoning of that evidence, of this shared reality, demonstrates the fractal structure, with a shared perceptual reality of a single consciousness
https//earthcoinage.com/about-us/
Any book of religion is only a claim, it can be nothing else, it does not change if you believe it is more, it still remains a book of claims, which require proving before anyone, including anyone delusional enough to take a claim without determine it is true, as true.
I do agree with most of what you have on that page. Still a bit new to the topic. But the exploration was triggered by Quran application as is. So I dont see anything wrong in testing God's claims for validity. This also helps recover original interpretations.
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So what are the original interpretations?
One should try to restore these if they are sure and should take the task of interpreting the whole text for the benefit of people.
Otherwise how can they be taken seriously?
Until the task is done to show to the world, it remains as claims and the status quo carries on.GOD bless.
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Even if the text were translated as its original meaning, it would still be a book of claims, that would never change.
Badar Kanwar has been working on determining the meanings of Arabic pre-Qur'an, to determine the original message of the text, communicate with him to consider the results of that effort.
Few peole are capable of accepting truths, if the original message of the Qur'an conflicts with their religous faiths it would be denied, the reality of that is self professed Muslims are fantasists not Muslims..
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So what are the original interpretations?
One should try to restore these if they are sure and should take the task of interpreting the whole text for the benefit of people.
Otherwise how can they be taken seriously?Whole text doesn't need that. Its a gem of a book but very misunderstood. Mullahs dont hide they changed certain word meanings and even the philosophy.
Even if the text were translated as its original meaning, it would still be a book of claims, that would never change.
Unless it greatly changes life. That's the key. Act is the fact.
Badar Kanwar has been working on determining the meanings of Arabic pre-Qur'an, to determine the original message of the text, communicate with him to consider the results of that effort.
I now consider that method not enough.
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For example Qoran claims it is the words of the Lord of the universe/-The Creator-. Have you checked this claim? Is this true or false?
Another example is that Qoran claims we go back for judgement to the Lord of the universe. Is this true or false? How? Why?...
Or if it still remains only claims after interpretation then what use is it?
This means disregard it if it does not change what you make of it now.
Therefore I cannot continue discussing it with you. It will be pointless.This leaves me where I started . Disagreeing with you on Anarchy and the existence,omnipotence and kingdom of GOD.-i.e GOD as a unique and separate entity,the origin of everything that exist.
GOD bless you.
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Peace G.L,
all books of religion are always, no matter what is claimed within them, or by anyone about them, always without exception books of claims, and these claims must always be proven before they are accepted.
If the Qur'an is "the word of the lord of the universe/creator (Ba'al)", then show evidence firstly this Ba'al exists in someway, and that if this entity exists the claims of the religious book are made directly by them?
Why do I say "Ba'al", is because you are claiming it indirectly,
Ba'al means "owner", you inherently can only own that which you yourself create, if your claimed entity created the universe (which is in reality perceptual so would not be a valid claim) they are Owner "Ba-'al", all else is shared. To own everything is then to claim riba over it, an interest, This is the basis of Ba'alism, and the foundation of the five forms of riba.
"Judgement to the Lord of the universe", by judgement I'm guessing you mean criticism or censure, as the estimate by Ba'al of the ultimate worthiness or unworthiness of the individual in this life or the next?
If you consider every soul a slave, then they are owned, and as property they may be judged according to the dictates of their master, this is rhe Ba'alist model, the "owner" and the "owned"., this is purely from a point of view of reason, again to get to the point of reason you'd firstly have to prove the claim, proof of the Ba'alist entity, proof you are the property of that entity, proof you are fully informed of the dictates and bound to the dictates of that entity?
The use of claims is to ask the question, if you do not ask the question you would never investigate the answers that may aid you, the question is the claim, a claim may have a conclusion, but that is also a part of the claim, and all the aspects of the claim must be proven, then reason applied to that proof to determine the fullness of the claim.
Religious claim must be considered far more seriously than any other type of claim, as they are the most damaging if they are accepted blindly as wrong beliefs.
